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Just read all the awesome Punisher comic series and am seriously wondering if the Punisher could take down a space marine in one on one combat? keeping in mind what i've just read was him killing every superhero out there!

what say you dakka?

I say that if I see one more "Space Marine vs" thread I'll...

...actually it'll probably just deepen my apathy. Oh well. At least you came up with a different opponent than most.

Ozzy Osbourne vs Spase Marien.

Moving thread to 40K General Discussions.

In that fight I think I'd win!

I know how tiresome space marine vs threads can be..... but I'm working 11 hour night shift and those comics kicked ass! Punisher was unstoppable even whooping everyones favorite wolverine, and if he can best the midget then?.....

All Super Heros or Villians pale in comparision to that which is Apocolypse! Or the Mouse Guard.

A regular Space Marine is a match for 10 human soldiers, so if the Punisher can take out 10 soldiers he can take on a Space Marine.

Punisher sneaks up behind marine and shoots him in the back of the head. Marine then proceeds to turn around and shoot the punisher in the face. Space marine leaves with a headache, punisher has no head.

Who's next?

Now don't get me wrong, I actually love the Punisher. He's one of my favorite Marvel character, but he's at his best in his comic where he doesn't deal with all the super-powered bullcrap of the marvel universe. The Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe is not a 'great' comic . It's actually fairly terrible and was meant as a joke even when it was written.

Several of the super heroes and super villains we see the Punisher kill have survived much worse than what he does to them in their own comics...

Venom is all but immune to electricity, it's been shown to have no effect on him and other symbiotes several times. Not to mention that killing Brock would not kill the symbiot.

To think that Dr. Doom's armor isn't shielded against EMP when run of the mill military tanks are is flat out slowed. And a sledge hammer would break off long before Doom's armor even dent. I mean come on, that armor has taken full strength punch from the Hulk and held up... Power Armor has nothing on Doom's armor.

The scene with the mutants is laughingly bad... as if you could just 'send a challenge' to people like Magneto, Apocalypse or Dr. Sinister and they'd come running. What is this? The old west? Not to mention that Magneto alone has been known to detect the signature of incoming warheads and neutralize them before they ever became a problem at least twice in other comics...

To think that Castle could outfight Wolverine in close combat is also fairly silly - I know the idea is that Wolverine is drunk, and thus not at 100%... but you see, his healing factor prevents him from getting drunk in the first place... so der? Wolverine himself has survived much much worse than the electricity he receives at the end of their fight - hell, as much as I don't like Wolverine, he's been shown to be practically immortal at this point, odds are the generator would overload before he died.

Oh yeah, and Captain America would turn his back on an enemy. In the middle of a fight. Right.

Against Daredevil? Castle is a man... he takes a beating and gets thrown off a 5 story building and than still has the energy to stand up and stab someone? Heck, he'd be dead or in the hospital for months...

In short, for the story to work, the entire Marvel Universe was 'pussyfied' to the nth degree while Castle himself was 'boosted'. That is not to say Castle couldn't kill many superheroes (In Welcome Back Frank, he takes apart Daredevil in a really smart way and could easily have put a bullet in him had he wanted to), but the ways they show in that story simply wouldn't work - and I think that was on purpose, to show us it's a joke.

So than, the real question in the Punisher vs a Space Marine is, those the author have the permission to make the Space Marine into little bitches like Ennis was given with the Marvel Universe? If not, Castle is done for. In his own comics, he has a hard enough time dealing with normal (See Barracuda or The Russian, pre-op), non-super powered baddies.

Ah Tarkand, it's good to see someone else reading these as well! I did get that majority of the super heroes were slightly dumbed down but never the less entertaining for what it's worth. the russian would have to be the scariest bad guy he faces by far! Barracuda was an animal but that russian was a nut job! kinda like a space marine with breast implants! i'd like to think castle could at least have some chance against a space marine? but even that gang of mob widows nearly capped him? so i suppose on a good day he could deal the pain to a marine or on a bad day he can get snipped by a widow with a shotty! I mean he can't be so totally awesome every single day can he? (please Frank if you read that....kidding)

If a Space Marine is taken over by Venom does he become a Chaos Space Marine? ¬.¬

nerdfest09 wrote: Ah Tarkand, it's good to see someone else reading these as well! I did get that majority of the super heroes were slightly dumbed down but never the less entertaining for what it's worth. the russian would have to be the scariest bad guy he faces by far! Barracuda was an animal but that russian was a nut job! kinda like a space marine with breast implants! i'd like to think castle could at least have some chance against a space marine? but even that gang of mob widows nearly capped him? so i suppose on a good day he could deal the pain to a marine or on a bad day he can get snipped by a widow with a shotty! I mean he can't be so totally awesome every single day can he? (please Frank if you read that....kidding)

One of the thing I personally dislike about The Punisher is that they suddenly get beefed up when in books with other Super Heroes. In his own comic, Frank gets captured by a squad of Delta... he manages to get out of it, but the point is, a squad of well equipped, trained and intel'd normal human are able to bring him down. But when he shows up in Spider-Man (or whatever), all of a sudden he can keep up with mutants, genetic enhanced human, demi-god and what not. Same goes for Batman who has to exert himself to take down people like the Joker in his own comic, but can keep up with Superman and Captain Marvel when it's a JLA comic... it's all very silly, I mean Batman would die from the colleteral damage of some of those JLA fight.

In short, the fact that the widows almost got him doesn't make him any less of a bad ass... I mean, even the world's deadliest man is going to die if he gets shot in the head from 300 yards by someone with a sniper rifle.

As for the actual question - if it isn't bullet proof, Castle always has a chance. We now Marines aren't immune to small arm weapons, so obviously under the right conditions and with the right condition, he could do it (So could anyone really)... but realistically speaking, he'd get destroyed.

Punisher doesn't have plot armour... game over man..

Yeah, plot armor is the word I was looking for...

Batman, The Punisher, Green Arrow... all those 'normal man with no power' super heroes usually have a hefty dose of it.

I was thinking it was the LR Punisher People really need to stop with these 'Space Marine vs...' seriously, the majority of beings could not take on a space marine in one on one combat unless of course they had some sort of crazy super powers, they are faster then any living human, they can punch through solid steel, they have acute senses that are way beyond any living animal we have on earth. So...no

Chalk up another thought about Leman Russ Punisher against Space Marine armies. Instead we just get another one of these awful threads. I'll just pretend you posted a legitimate question:

A Leman Russ Punisher might seem pretty nasty at first, but only about 3 of those 20 bullets will get to both hit and wound. That generally means one dead Marine per round of shooting. Taking Pask helps this, but you'd be better off taking a standard Leman Russ Battle Tank, or maybe even a Demolisher.

There, that feels better.

Well... space marines are 10ft tall monstrosities... with two hearts....

Has the Space Marine committed a crime or something? Kicked the Punisher's puppy?

The Punisher read the Space Marine's fluff and deemed it a crime upon good people. No further justification necessary.

Space marine for obvious reasons like 8 feet tall, can spit acid, digest stone, solid rib cage with genetically enhanced bones, the ability to learn their opponent by tasting his/her brain. C'mon.

Lord Doom would destroy the Punisher. He rules his own country, commands an army, has diplomatic immunity, controls the dark arts.

Lord Doom would destroy a Space Marine and then laugh. Then use the technology to build superior Doombots.

....wait. That would not be good for me....

Funny thing you're talking about Punisher vs. Space Marines. One game of mine had the punisher emptying all of its rounds in a 3-man devestator squad. There were NO casualties.

Tarkand wrote:

nerdfest09 wrote: Ah Tarkand, it's good to see someone else reading these as well! I did get that majority of the super heroes were slightly dumbed down but never the less entertaining for what it's worth. the russian would have to be the scariest bad guy he faces by far! Barracuda was an animal but that russian was a nut job! kinda like a space marine with breast implants! i'd like to think castle could at least have some chance against a space marine? but even that gang of mob widows nearly capped him? so i suppose on a good day he could deal the pain to a marine or on a bad day he can get snipped by a widow with a shotty! I mean he can't be so totally awesome every single day can he? (please Frank if you read that....kidding)

One of the thing I personally dislike about The Punisher is that they suddenly get beefed up when in books with other Super Heroes. In his own comic, Frank gets captured by a squad of Delta... he manages to get out of it, but the point is, a squad of well equipped, trained and intel'd normal human are able to bring him down. But when he shows up in Spider-Man (or whatever), all of a sudden he can keep up with mutants, genetic enhanced human, demi-god and what not. Same goes for Batman who has to exert himself to take down people like the Joker in his own comic, but can keep up with Superman and Captain Marvel when it's a JLA comic... it's all very silly, I mean Batman would die from the colleteral damage of some of those JLA fight.

In short, the fact that the widows almost got him doesn't make him any less of a bad ass... I mean, even the world's deadliest man is going to die if he gets shot in the head from 300 yards by someone with a sniper rifle.

As for the actual question - if it isn't bullet proof, Castle always has a chance. We now Marines aren't immune to small arm weapons, so obviously under the right conditions and with the right condition, he could do it (So could anyone really)... but realistically speaking, he'd get destroyed.

Um, actually, the Joker is never shown as a serious physical threat to Batman, so that comparison wasn't really apt. In addition, you're not really taking into account that Batman has his won super-powered enemies that he has to defeat and thus is at least prepared for the enemies faced by the JLA, whereas the Punisher, to my knowledge, does not.

Anyway, the Space Marine would win. Even Frank Castle couldn't take on a full astartes for long; these guys are capable of punching through tank armour.

Am I the only one who occasionally gets the names Frank Castle and Rick Castle mixed up?

No. Not at all. Good luck shooting through ceramite with an assault rifle from 38,000 years ago


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Avatar 720 wrote:If a Space Marine is taken over by Venom does he become a Chaos Space Marine? ¬.¬

No, he becomes a tyranid

Of course the Punisher could take on a squad of Space Marines and win. He just has to pick that squad that all decided to forgo helmets to look cool yelling. Probably Space Wolves.

It would also help if they had no idea that someone was around, and he had a sniper rifle.

Alternatively, a shaped explosive on the bottom of their Rhino.

Well lets look at who has played the Punisher on celuloid and who has played Space Marines. Dolph Lungren, Thomas Jane and Ray Stephenson any of these guys could beat the squig out of John Hurt and Terence Stamp

Seriously tho, I'm sure I read somewhere that an IG Kaserkin could go one on one with a Marine and as the Punisher is the closest 21st century equivilent, I reckon Frank wins

Courage and Honour?

Nah, garrot wire, a 9mm and a bit of creativity

In the 40k universe, both on the tabletop and in the fluff, heroes beat regular soldiers.

Human heroes beat regular Space Marines. It has happened, many times. Gaunt, Straken, Schaeffer, Cain, Yarrick - they curbstomp rank-and-file Astartes. The Punisher would have no problem.

Rube wrote:In the 40k universe, both on the tabletop and in the fluff, heroes beat regular soldiers.

Human heroes beat regular Space Marines. It has happened, many times. Gaunt, Straken, Schaeffer, Cain, Yarrick - they curbstomp rank-and-file Astartes. The Punisher would have no problem.

Space Marines are all heroes in their own rights.

That point doesn't really work cause all these 41st Millennium guys have kick- a** equipment,skills and experience that parallel or even surpass Astartes. Straken has bionics, Yarrick has that big-a** claw, etc, etc. What does Frank have? A primitive version of one of the most primitive weapons in 40K, the autogun. And Frank's tactics? Please, any marine could outdo him, when you got 10,000 years, at least, of tactical knowledge passed down to you. One on one, no tricks, Space Marine hands down.

undivided wrote:Space Marines are all heroes in their own rights.

No.

undivided wrote:That point doesn't really work cause all these 41st Millennium guys have kick- a** equipment,skills and experience that parallel or even surpass Astartes. Straken has bionics, Yarrick has that big-a** claw, etc, etc. What does Frank have? A primitive version of one of the most primitive weapons in 40K, the autogun. And Frank's tactics? Please, any marine could outdo him, when you got 10,000 years, at least, of tactical knowledge passed down to you. One on one, no tricks, Space Marine hands down.

Nice use of "etc" there because Gaunt, Schaeffer and Cain don't have special gear and still whomp Space Marines without effort. Also powerklaw is special now, so rare every Ork mob has one.

But you make a good point, a 10,000 year old book written by an incompetent who was tricked over to the ass-end of the galaxy while his leader was killed is invaluable. That's why Ultramarines are such useful soldiers, and totally haven't been absent from every major conflict ever.

Horus Heresy? 13th Black Crusade? 1st, 2nd AND 3rd wars for Armageddon? Pff, the Ultramarines were too busy getting their 1st company ate by 'nids.