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TL;DR:
- Starting a BA army
- Have AOBR Dread
- Would like to transform into a dual blood talon furioso
- Have never done a conversion before
- How would you recommend this be done?

I'm about as fresh as it gets to 40k. After playing two games on Saturday, I am up to about a half dozen total. My first few games were fairly resounding defeats, as I combined learning the rules with play-testing different factions to find what appealed to me. I settled on SM (Hail to the Glorious Emperor) and got my hands on the SM-half of an AOBR box. I spent the next few weeks alternating between building models and devouring reading material on background, tactics and strategy, beginning to formulate ideas on what direction I wanted my nascent army to take.

On a whim on Saturday, I asked the owner of the FLGS to help me put together a list I could play as "counts as" in a casual multiplayer game, and led to the following:
- I won both games
- I was pretty much sold on . For the first time, everything just felt right.

The iconic moment for the game was watching my dual blood talon furioso tearing through entire units on its own. First game, that meant a squad of deffkoptaz, the warboss, a trukk and two troop units. Regardless of whether that level of carnage is repeatable (please, forgo the mathhammers) I am firmly resolved to have a WYSIWYG dual-talon furioso among my deployable forces.

Which brings me to why I'm here. After a fair amount of research, including searching through older posts here on dakka, other players seem to have done the following:



So, I think I could achieve this with my AOBR dread if I can achieve the following:
1. Find a ccw arm for the other side -- how hard would it be to dissect and reverse an arm? I think i could shave down the CCW to look more like a lightning claw
2. Figure out how to add an underslung storm bolter on one, and an underslung meltagun on the other. I don't have the bits for these, but I'm sure I could get my hands on some one way or another.

I don't want to give too much, because I'm hoping you guys can help me brainstorm other options rather than just c&c'ing what I've come across so far. So let's hear what you think, dakka!

The Ironclad dreadnought kit is the only one that comes with that 'other' CCW arm body... of course none of the hand/fist/claw parts match though.

The DC dread in my gallery sounds like the one you are describing in #4. If it's different and original, and somewhat narrative appropriate, nobody can deny you "Counts-As" even with strict WYSIWYG.

Ebay sells bits (arms etc) but that one, very sought after, dread CCW arm is typically pricey.

if all else fails count it as dread CQC weap.

Gunzhard wrote:The Ironclad dreadnought kit is the only one that comes with that 'other' CCW arm body... of course none of the hand/fist/claw parts match though.

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Ebay sells bits (arms etc) but that one, very sought after, dread CCW arm is typically pricey.

So what you're saying is, if I wanted to add a second furioso I could use an ironclad box to kit out a dual ccw walker?

Yeah, I thought about ebay. I'm guessing, if I understand your first statement correctly, that I could ebay the arms from an ironclad and attach them to the AOBR so they matched. As far as price goes, I get that there is a premium for WYSIWYG, I'll just have to cost-benefit it in relation to my other options.

Gunzhard wrote:The DC dread in my gallery sounds like the one you are describing in #4. If it's different and original, and somewhat narrative appropriate, nobody can deny you "Counts-As" even with strict WYSIWYG.

Yours wasn't the one I had referenced originally -- it was a furioso with two swords ("talons"), but...wow, I'm impressed. That's the kind of model that inspires me to go read more articles about painting techniques.

I was pretty sure DIY stuff was handled the way you described, after coming across someone discussing DIY drop pods back before GW had an official kit. There's no harm in brainstorming other manifestations of "blood talons", I suppose. It'd definitely give it a more unique look!

Draglide12 wrote:if all else fails count it as dread CQC weap.

You mean use the AOBR model as is and just play it "counts as"? I guess that's what I'll resort to in the intermediary, but I'd like to be able to deploy it and have my opponent demoralized at the sight of a terrifying, rampaging death machine, not trying to remember what the gun arm is supposed to be.

Regarding the Ironclad... it is the only CCW right arm (shoulder and forearm part) but hand/fist/claw doesn't even match the other arm in the same kit. Even the forearm part is slightly longer than the other arm.

GW is selling again the old metal Furioso... If I had any resin casting skills I might buy this one again just to make a nice clean CCW arm.

Thuswise.

http://www.paulsongames.com/catalog/item/7434381/7858112.htm

Popsicle wrote:Thuswise.

http://www.paulsongames.com/catalog/item/7434381/7858112.htm

Those claws are nice, but just remember you still need the CCW right-arm... only available in the Ironclad kit sadly.

I used some plasticard, some plastic tubing, guitar string and other assorted bits to kit-bash a left-handed CC arm out of the multi-melta that comes with the AoBR kit. My biggest hurdle was finding something to create the fore-arm. For that I ended up using some spare dreadnought shin guards I had hanging about.

I cheated a bit and bought the blood talons from this guy:

http://www.paulsongames.com/catalog/item/7434381/7858112.htm

For the underslung stuff I just cut up a spare meltagun and fastened it to the underside of my newly created CC arm.

I'll try to figure out how to post some pics if you want to see the finished result. Either way, hope that helped?

tavoittamaton wrote:

Gunzhard wrote:The Ironclad dreadnought kit is the only one that comes with that 'other' CCW arm body... of course none of the hand/fist/claw parts match though.

...

Ebay sells bits (arms etc) but that one, very sought after, dread CCW arm is typically pricey.

So what you're saying is, if I wanted to add a second furioso I could use an ironclad box to kit out a dual ccw walker?

Yeah, I thought about ebay. I'm guessing, if I understand your first statement correctly, that I could ebay the arms from an ironclad and attach them to the AOBR so they matched. As far as price goes, I get that there is a premium for WYSIWYG, I'll just have to cost-benefit it in relation to my other options.

Gunzhard wrote:The DC dread in my gallery sounds like the one you are describing in #4. If it's different and original, and somewhat narrative appropriate, nobody can deny you "Counts-As" even with strict WYSIWYG.

Yours wasn't the one I had referenced originally -- it was a furioso with two swords ("talons"), but...wow, I'm impressed. That's the kind of model that inspires me to go read more articles about painting techniques.

I was pretty sure DIY stuff was handled the way you described, after coming across someone discussing DIY drop pods back before GW had an official kit. There's no harm in brainstorming other manifestations of "blood talons", I suppose. It'd definitely give it a more unique look!

Draglide12 wrote:if all else fails count it as dread CQC weap.

You mean use the AOBR model as is and just play it "counts as"? I guess that's what I'll resort to in the intermediary, but I'd like to be able to deploy it and have my opponent demoralized at the sight of a terrifying, rampaging death machine, not trying to remember what the gun arm is supposed to be.

Unfortunately it's not actually that simple, the Ironclad Dreadnought is actually bigger than the normal Dreadnought due to the extra armour which is all over the thing. This includes the arms too, they are actually nearly the same size in height as the normal Dreadnought is tall so it would have the unfortunate effect of the Dreadnought looking like a gorilla, dragging his arms along the ground. So as far as I see it this is not an option, as believe me, it looks silly, like the Dreadnought has spent too much time with the Kleenex if you get my drift.

So what you could do is use the Ironclad as the Furioso itself, because the size of the arms wouldn't make a difference. Or you could wait until February when the new Blood Angels Plastic Furioso Dreadnought Kit comes out, which will have 2 Blood Fists which can be easily converted into Blood Claws with a few well placed Tyranid 'spiky bits'.

Also it would be a shame not to use the Twin Linked Multi-Melta which you get with the AOBR Dread, as this is the only way you can get this weapon option short of a conversion or FW.

The size difference isn't that great. My DC dread has Ironclad arms (with some conversions obviously) on an AoBR dreadnought body, though I do recall drilling a new hole-slot and extending the shoulder piece of the torso to make him look beafier. :

I have a metal Furioso dread, I made a mold of the right arm and can mold them in resin. I got a pair of "Dread combat talons" from Paulson Games online and they make perfect blood talons

What I could love to use for Blood Talons would be a pair of the giant chainsaw arms from the plastic Khador Warjack box. Sure, they're not talons per say, but they look like the perfect kind of savage weapon a giant hulking metal monster suffering from the Black Rage would use to lay waste to large swathes of enemy soldiers.