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Hello,

I have a few Beastmen sitting around that i would like to expand on. I'm looking to make a fun list for more friendly gaming environments, but still want it to be solid. Wanted to get some comments/help before I decide to spend a lot of money expanding. Thank you!

Great Bray-Shaman
-Lore of Beasts
-Level 3
-AHW

Lords = 20.4%

Wargor BSB
-Gnarled Hide
-Enchanted Shield
-Heavy Armor
Heroes = 15.9%

24 Gors (BSB goes here)
-Full Command
-Additional Hand Weapons

19 Gors (Shaman goes here)
-Full Command
-AHW

8 Raiders
-Musician
Core = 44.5%

3 Minotaurs
-Great Weapons
-Musician
Special = 19.2%

Total = 1,000 points


Couple of points:
-Bray-Shaman will be buffing gors with the signature beast spell
-Will 3 minotaurs die too fast? I love the models, so I wanted to use them, but I was thinking of switching them out for a unit of bestigors if 3 minotaurs are worthless.
-Raiders are kind of just there because I didn't know what else to spend the points on

I don't know about the musician. I would go for a champion more than I would ever take a musician for anything.

People have told me not to got for only 3 minotaurs as they will die to fast, try for yourself though.

You have the wargor with an enchanted shield, I would suggest something like an ironcurse icon instead, that way you get to keep your parry save and you're a little more resistant to warmachines.

Otherwise It looks pretty good.

I think in 1k point games 3 minotaurs are fine. In my experience bestigors are only worth the points when you take 20 at a time, which is a point sink in 1k point games. I would personally try and fit.in two more raiders... maybe drop the minor musician and AHW on the shaman (hes casting spells anyways). Looks pretty solid for 1k points though. Let us know how it goes!

Thanks for the replies guys! Would it be better to keep the raiders in one unit of 10 or 2 units of 5?

Depends what you want to do with them, i've tried to do 5 and 5 with ambushing and had some success, but not much.

Well my thoughts were to have one ambush and warmachine hunt if need be, but I will try both ways out.

If your idea for them is to hunt war machines, maybe consider hounds instead. That would free you up some points too.

I agree with chadbacca that 3 minos should be alright at 1k. You'll probably not want to be charging the fronts of units with them though.

I don't see the raiders doing much. Maybe drop them for a fun item or two for your shaman? The Chalice of Dark Rain is a great buy.

Hmm, I do like the chalice of dark rain, and I agree about the raiders. How about this?


Great Bray-Shaman
-Lore of Beasts
-Chalice of Dark Rain
Lords = 24%

Wargor BSB
-Gnarled Hide
-Enchanted Shield
-Heavy Armor
-Talisman of Endurance
Heroes = 16.4%

24 Gors
-Full Command
-AHW

19 Gors
-Full Command
-AHW
Core = 39.4%

3 Minotaurs
-Great Weapons
Special = 18.9%

Dropped the raiders, mino musician, and AHW on the sham and put in chalice of dark rain on the sham and talisman of endurance on the BSB, leaving me with 13 points left that i have no idea what to do with.

I can't seem to find the chalice of dark rain in the beastmen book or the BRB what exactly is it and where doers it come from?

The only comment other then that on this list is that it lacks anything for warmachine hunting, might think of pulling back the chalice (suggested because I have no idea what it is) and put in either a unit of warhounds like chadbacca said, or some harpys.

Oh wait see it now, seems like that could be good too, though you only get one use so you have to pop it at just the right time, sort of the way of beastmen.

Tzeentchling9 wrote:I agree with chadbacca that 3 minos should be alright at 1k. You'll probably not want to be charging the fronts of units with them though.

In the case of using minos as flankers, would AHW possibly be a better setup?

correct me if i am wrong but can't you not buy echanted items for your bsb? Or is that just vampires?

It's...nobody, as far as I know. If you give your BSB a magic flag, he typically can't have any extra magical goodies.

Also, what's this about not getting a Parry save with an Enchanted Shield?

So, I'm a little hesitant to put a Lord (especially an expensive caster) into such a small army. Would a lvl2 serve the same purpose? At any rate, I would suggest protecting him in some way.

As for the minotaurs, I think 3 is perfect for 1,000 points. A threat, but not so scary that all the arrows and spells come their way. And if they do anyway, you won't be crushed when you lose them. At a 1000k tournament I attended, I played a guy with five bull-men. That...did not work out so well.
And I will strongly suggest that everyone always take a musician every time they ever can.

Other than that, yeah, some Harpies or Hounds would be nice. Raiders are cool, but they're just so crappy that you need 10 or so to see any results round-by-round.

Warpsolution wrote:It's...nobody, as far as I know. If you give your BSB a magic flag, he typically can't have any extra magical goodies.

Also, what's this about not getting a Parry save with an Enchanted Shield?

So, I'm a little hesitant to put a Lord (especially an expensive caster) into such a small army. Would a lvl2 serve the same purpose? At any rate, I would suggest protecting him in some way.

As for the minotaurs, I think 3 is perfect for 1,000 points. A threat, but not so scary that all the arrows and spells come their way. And if they do anyway, you won't be crushed when you lose them. At a 1000k tournament I attended, I played a guy with five bull-men. That...did not work out so well.
And I will strongly suggest that everyone always take a musician every time they ever can.

Other than that, yeah, some Harpies or Hounds would be nice. Raiders are cool, but they're just so crappy that you need 10 or so to see any results round-by-round.

In the magic armour section in the BRB it says "a magic shield is treated as a normal shield, but cannot be used alongside a handweapon to gain a parry save"

About the shaman lord, percentages made me not have a lvl 2. Wanted a good bsb, but still wanted a caster for the lore of beasts signature spell.

Also, I have heard some people say gors do better in a horde formation. If that was the case, how does this list look...

Great-Bray Shaman
-Lore of Beasts
Lords = 20%

Wargor BSB
-Gnarled Hide
-Shield
-Heavy Armour
-Ironcurse Icon
Heroes = 13.6%

38 Gors (both characters here)
-Standard
-Musician
-AHW

Tuskgor Chariot

Tuskgor Chariot
Core = 47.9%

3 Minotaurs
-Great Weapons
Special = 18.9%

Is a horde of 40 too small? I'll probably end up testing both lists, but just wanted to hear what y'all thought.

40 isn't too small, but you need to beef up those battle lines in my opinion. find a way to run 50 total, 25 each unit. maybe drop a chariot.

I would sort of agree on having 2 units of gors, as it is you sort of have 3 hammers with one anvil, all three of them should be going for rear or flank charges, which means you could surround one enemy but it's unlikely anyone is really going to have one big easy to target unit to do that with, their more likely to have a few smaller units getting in the way if you try to focus everything on one.

Well that magic shield thing is just silly.

I see what you're saying, then. So there's no way to get a decend level 2 under that 120pt window? That's a shame.

I'd agree with the above comments about the Gors, though. Two units of 25 would be ideal.

Warpsolution wrote:Well that magic shield thing is just silly.

I see what you're saying, then. So there's no way to get a decend level 2 under that 120pt window? That's a shame.

I'd agree with the above comments about the Gors, though. Two units of 25 would be ideal.

After more thought, I was just being lazy when I said that...came up with a new bsb build that allows room for both heroes, because I do agree that a lvl 2 would be a bit more suitable in this situation.

How does this look?


Bray-Shaman
-Level 2
-Lore of Beasts

Wargor BSB
-Gnarled Hide
-Shield
-Heavy Armour
-Ironcurse Icon
Heroes = 24.6%

24 Gors (BSB here)
-AHW
-Full Command

24 Gors (Shaman here)
-AHW
-Full Command

Tuskgor Chariot

7 Warhounds
Core = 51.4%

3 Minotaurs
-Great Weapons
-Musician
Special = 18.9%

Total = 1,001 points

Love ironcurse icon, hadn't noticed before that it gave 6+ward against warmachines to the unit he joins as well.

Phoenix, that most recent list looks great for 1k points.

I really liked your 1k list w/ Great bray shaman in there. Honestly
keep him. make him lvl 4, and he will always get wyssans off on your main unit.
at this point lvl it's hard to get seriously hard hitting units with decent blocks. The Bray shaman can help ENSURE that your units are absurdly tough. Toss in the Banner of the Beast and these guys are rolling w/ S 5 T 5. for core that's very good.

With this force, you should really consider making your CORE the hard hitting unit.GBS, Wyssans, Beast banner are all amazing.
Even toss a CHEAP lvl 1 w/ a dispel scroll / lore of shadow for miasma, and you have a nice debuffed unit that will be smashed by the core.

Warpsolution wrote:Well that magic shield thing is just silly.

I see what you're saying, then. So there's no way to get a decend level 2 under that 120pt window? That's a shame.

I'd agree with the above comments about the Gors, though. Two units of 25 would be ideal.

After more thought, I was just being lazy when I said that...came up with a new bsb build that allows room for both heroes, because I do agree that a lvl 2 would be a bit more suitable in this situation.

How does this look?


Bray-Shaman
-Level 2
-Lore of Beasts

-- make this guy back to the lvl 4 and give him the tools to succeed. There are many ways to make him work. I personally like a ward (4 or 5+) Jagged dagger and steel claws. Maybe even crown of command if you can fit it.

Wargor BSB
-Gnarled Hide
-Shield
-Heavy Armour
-Ironcurse Icon
Heroes = 24.6%
---- nice! You can lose the ironcurse and add the magic banner. This army is PERFECT for 'totem of rust', however you'll have to compensate on your BSB or you lose him. Precarious situation. Honestly, the BSB can be a mean mean mother. W/ gnarled hide and armor/sheild, he's tough w/ magic banner. W/o and just magic fun time, he's a beast.

24 Gors (BSB here)
-AHW
-Full Command
- nice, if possible, fill out ONE of these units if making it 'the hammer'.

24 Gors (Shaman here)
-AHW
-Full Command

Tuskgor Chariot

7 Warhounds
Core = 51.4%
-- lose these guys. they are of no use to you now. The price of them gets you raiders who have SOME shooting and access to primal fury and guard flanks better. Their M is better than yours, but M 5 is enough to where you don't need to rely on these guys.

3 Minotaurs
-Great Weapons
-Musician
Special = 18.9%

-- I've run many lists with 3-4 minos. They get so shot up that they're hardly worth it. Their mediocre I and lack of decent AS and just standard Beastmen T makes them soft and easy targets. While people are RIGHT, you don't have enough points to toss a good sized unit at bestigors w/ your other slots; you DO have options.
for a few points, you can get a good sized block of ungor HW & S infantry to absorb the blows and add another flank.
Even w/ those you can still have enough points left for chariot or ungor raiders for ambush.
Impact hits in the side of units that gors are caught on makes the combat. Impact hits and some more hits on the flanks, denying steadfast will obliterate most units. Even vs. WOC and HE, the impact hits are huge.



I would lose the minotaurs all together. GW's for minos are amazing, but they are too much of glass cannons with them. They CANNOT take any hits w/ just 3 models. AHW or HW S is the way to go. I love the huge str 7 attacks, but

Total = 1,001 points

Love ironcurse icon, hadn't noticed before that it gave 6+ward against warmachines to the unit he joins as well.

I largely disagree with these ammendments, maybe I can accept dropping the warhouds to bounce back up to a great bray-shaman, but 2 25s are a fine idea, one working along with a chariot hammer and the other with the minos, or doubling the minos and chariot on one opponent at a time to smack them down one by one.

Ungors miss half the time in the best case, not to mention the warmachine save versus shooting.

I'd go handweapon and shield on the minotaur. You're not frenzied, so you can't afford to give up many wounds in the first round of combat. At 1,000 points, you can't afford more minotaur, and your opponent will put quite a bit of fire into these guys. The 5+ armor and 6+ parry will help them, and it's pretty cheap.

S5 should be enough at 1,000 points. I wouldn't expect to see much heavy armor, or T5 or T6 enemies.

-Matt

The list is fine. Though Ill always go for Harpies with scout over warhounds for machine hunting. Ungor raiders are nice fodder to put up in front of your infantry blocks. Don't depend on them to do any damage unless you take lots of them. Even then..

blak43 wrote:I largely disagree with these ammendments, maybe I can accept dropping the warhouds to bounce back up to a great bray-shaman, but 2 25s are a fine idea, one working along with a chariot hammer and the other with the minos, or doubling the minos and chariot on one opponent at a time to smack them down one by one.

Ungors miss half the time in the best case, not to mention the warmachine save versus shooting.

ungor shooting is crap-tacular at best. (though I've had miracles happen. 1 dead HE chariot w/ 10 shots)the idea is to come on, shoot at gunlines or lone wizards etc and charge ideal targets. their bows help w/ stand and shoot.
When they ambush, they get their free shots, and are harder to hit due to skirmisher rules. WHen they charge warmachines, they have a 50% chance of primal fury and most likely winning. Seeing that a small unit will cost you 30 points, this will inevitably tie up more points than they are worth. Even if they die a horrible death, they will have saved more points from casualties while your units march down the filed. (3 bestigors dying is more than your ungors).


They are very good at holding a flank and setting up charges as well as costing LESS than hounds.

They are not meant as a 'shooting unit' but a slight deterrent and something that can harry/ ambush.

If they are so bad at shooting, why just not take regular ungors for less points?
I have a unit of 20 ungors in my 1000pts army, alongside 20 AHW gors and 20 bestigors, and I'm considdering splitting them up into two units of 10 to outflank and attack warmachines and shooty units. At 50pts, they are still no real loss at all when they die, and they can still tie something up for a turn or two depending on what they charge. DO you think that it is a good idea? Currently, my WIP list looks like this:


Heroes:

Wargor
Shield
Light armour
Horn of the First Beast

Bray-Shaman
Level 2 Wizard
Lore of Beasts

Core:

Gor herd
20 Gors
FC
AHW

Ungor herd
20 Ungors
Musician
Standard bearer
Spears

Tuskgor chariot

Tuskgor chariot

Special:

Bestigor herd
20 Bestigors
FC
Gleaming Pennant

might wonder why no heavy armor for the wargor also might wonder why he's not a bsb, but I'll assume that comes down to points. looks like a decent list to me, in the future I think you'll want to grow your gors up to 25 and the ungors up to at least 25, or maybe even go horde, but that would be for higher points of course.