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I just finished reading The First Heretic by Aaron Dembski-Bowden, and all in all I really enjoyed the book. However, one situation has bothered me since the instant I read the passage.....




Now if you have read the book, you know that a Deamon brought the Word Bearers squad into the Emperors laboratory where the Primarchs are nearing gestation. But since the laboratory was protected by the most powerful Geller Field ever constructed, how in the hell (no pun intended) did the Deamon get the squad and herself into the lab???




p.s. I hope I didnt ruin anything for anyone. I tried to give enough warning about spoilers.

You should probably use the closing tag for the [spoiler].

As to the question at hand, I really have no idea. Although, if its true, it also raises the question of how Chaos scattered the Primarchs in the first place...

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Since entities native to the Immaterium cannot breach its boundaries to enter the physical universe except under certain very specialized circumstances, creatures native to the Warp are repelled from the boundaries of the Gellar Field.

Maybe that is why the Word Bearers had to be the ones to do it, daemons couldnt get inside the gellar field, but they could send the marines inside?

The quote is from http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Gellar_Field

But the deamon was standing right there with them was my main source of contention

Maybe its just a projection of the daemon? Daemons do seem to be able to project fears through the gellar field, and there have been incidents of mental possession? Im trying to think of novels that include warp travel, dont people often hear whispers and other things, noises from outside?

hmmmm I hadnt thought of the projection idea. Seemed to me as if it was a pretty substantial presence being they were able to physically affect their surroundings in the lab.

Fix your first post.
It should read [spoiler] and then "[./spoiler]"(minus the . because otherwise it would have put what I typed into a spoiler tag).

mjl7atlas wrote:hmmmm I hadnt thought of the projection idea. Seemed to me as if it was a pretty substantial presence being they were able to physically affect their surroundings in the lab.

Im thinking it was a projection of the daemon but the marines were actually there in the flesh. If i remember right they also had to be careful so the Emperor didnt spot them. Of course this is all presuming what happened to them actually happened and wasnt a mental construct (vision) by the daemon to confuse them.

Sounds plausible. They did have to be careful so as to avoid detection. But that is why I was questioning the whole gellar field protection. I hope I had a valid point/question though. lol

I think the daemon was just showing the word bearers a projection and that they were not really there. The daemon is trying to corrupt the marines and is showing a distorted image of the past to try and show them that the Emperor is not the shining light/ supreme being they think he is. In that scene the daemon also suggests that the Emperor made a deal with chaos which is BS in my view haha.

I agree with Gadge. Its really entirely possible the whole thing was a holodeck-esq slideshow for the Marines. Really effective way for the demon to sink the hook, so to speak. Remember, the demon has an agenda, so really cant be considered as an unbiased source.

While I do agree the Deamon is not to be trusted...

As I read that sequence it seemed to me that the Geller Field was protecting the Primarchs capsules only and not the entire laboratory. The Daemon and the Astartes were able to walk around freely but the warp was unable to get to the Primarchs because of the Geller Field which the Astartes were tricked into taking down.

Something that should be considered is that this is 10K years before the current 40K timeline: the Geller Field could have still been an experimental device, not completly fullproof vs Daemons.

Geller Field and warp drive technology were created many millennia before the Great Crusade.

It didn't "Really" happen, is how it "happened"!

Just like how Horus wasn't REALLY back in the day of the Incubation Pods cracking view panes either.

Tricksy Chaos and all that...

I thought that the Gellar Fields only surrounded the actual pods, and that the rest of the labs were open...