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List 1

Lords

Tyrant (CLS, Mawseeker(+1T), Healing Potion, Tricksters Helm) 305 pts

Slaughtermaster (Wyrdstone Necklace(5+ ward), Sword of Battle) 240 pts


Heros

BSB Bruiser (Rune Maw) Mawseeker, CLS, HA) 197 pts

Bruiser (Giantbreaker, HA, Mask of EEE!) 184 pts

Butcher (Grut's Sickle, Sword of Striking, Ironcurse Icon) 185 pts


Core

27 Bulls (IFs, Bellower) 1090 pts

6 IGs (Banner of Flame, Bellower) 333 pts

5 IGs (Bellower) 250 pts

20 Gnoblars 40 pts


Rare

Slave Giant 175 pts


Total 2999 pts



List 2

Lords

Tyrant (CLS, Mawseeker, Healing potion, Tricksters Helm) 305 pts

Slaughtermaster (Wyrdstone necklace) 220 pts


Heros

BSB bruiser (Banner of Swiftness), Mawseeker, CLS, HA) 192 pts

Bruiser 130 pts

Butcher (Grut's sickle) 165 pts


Core

27 Bulls (IFs, Bellower) 1090 pt

6 IGs (Banner of Flame, Bellower) 333 pts

5 IGs (bellower) 250 pts

Rare

2 Bull Rhinox Riders (IFs and HA) 312 pts

2997 pts


in the first list, all characters go in the Bull unit except for the Bruiser with the Mask. he goes with the 5 IGs. in the 2nd list he is in the Bull unit.



the idea is that the IGs and Giant protect the flanks of the Bull unit from getting hit by something nasty. Runemaw directs enemy spells into either the Gnoblars or Giant.

the Butchers just buff the Bulls up as much as possable.


the Tyrant is equipped to be just a to kill. T6 with forced rerolls to wound and if he is getting down he can drink his potion. the CLS gives him a high WS and I too and his base Str is good enough to hurt most things.

the BSB has Mawseeker too to protect him.

the extra Bruiser is just built to be fighty Str6 means he can hurt most things pretty easily and the Mask adds some extra ability to the Unit he is in Charging. it also helps in case i fight another Fear causing unit by forcing fear tests.

Considering that rhinox riders are a quasi-legal fringe unit from 7th edition, I'd go with #1 myself. Should do well too, the deathstar horde of bulls is about as as it gets for us fatties

- Salvage

For the Rhinox riders i am using an updated version of the FW rules. Fantesy players arn't as stingy with playing with FW units as 40k is. besides, how can an Ogre unit be. it's not like the Rhinox are on top of


i actually drew both up just in case there is an issue with the Rhinox.

I really want to know, assuming the Rhinox are good to go, which is "better"

sweet list

I prefer the first one as its legal for a 3000 point battle. Seeing as 2 is over the amount. 27 Bulls plus characters will be daunting for anyone to stop. Plus the redirecting magic spells is nifty. I also like the flame banner Ironguts.

geee, i would hate to play with anyone who has a fit about being 2 whole points over.

in my mind, anyone who throws a fit about that small of a points discrepency is being abit douchy. 5 points maybe, but 2. the only thing you can get for that is a single Gnoblar.

/end rant

no one where i play would ever have a problem with being a tiny bit over. 5 points is where the line is drawn and 4 is dicy, but 2 is definitly ok.

Glad you like my lists though

Grey Templar wrote:geee, i would hate to play with anyone who has a fit about being 2 whole points over.

And yet you have two very low cost items - the bruiser heavy armors - the dropping of either of which would put you 2 points under. I agree that it's a small thing, but personally I find it more interesting and challenging to nab a points total exactly, and more honest to be below rather than above. But sure, for friendly games if they're allowing rhinox riders I'm sure that 2 points over is an easy pill to swallow

- Salvage

IMO both lists are too character heavy, and too light on units.

You've got a death star, and 3 supporting units. If your opponent hits all 4 at once, I think the death star is going to slaughter whatever it's up against, and the other units are in for some trouble. If your death star get's tied up by a large steadfast enemy, you're also in trouble.

I'd say the death star is needlessly large. I'd drop the extra bruiser and the extra butcher.

Pull 8 bulls out of the death star, and make another big block, and pick up another unit of 6 iron guts with the points saved on the heroes.

Now you have some options other than can my 2200 point unit (death star with characters) do more than 800 points of damage before you kill the rest of my army.

As for rhinox, I've only seen them used 1 time in 8th edition, but they seem balanced now. More Iron Guts is actually more effective, so I'd be happy to face Rhinox just for more variety.

-Matt

Grey Templar wrote:geee, i would hate to play with anyone who has a fit about being 2 whole points over.

in my mind, anyone who throws a fit about that small of a points discrepency is being abit douchy. 5 points maybe, but 2. the only thing you can get for that is a single Gnoblar.

/end rant

no one where i play would ever have a problem with being a tiny bit over. 5 points is where the line is drawn and 4 is dicy, but 2 is definitly ok.

Glad you like my lists though

I like to stick to a points limit personally. Plus what's the point in having an agreed limit if you go over it? Sure if its a regular group you know well and your using forgeworld models like in that second list then have at it. But otherwise that's where I'd draw the line.

i could drop the HA to be under.

i wasn't being mean or anything. sorry if it came across like that


@matt. i usually run MMU style with 2-3 units of 8 bulls and maybe some IGs, but the other style that works for Ogres is Deathstar and i haven't tried it yet. i want to see if it works as well as other ogres say it does.


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Edit: changed 2nd list to fit point limit and added a unit of IGs and dropped the Giant.


List 2

Lords

Tyrant (CLS, Mawseeker, Healing potion, Tricksters Helm) 305 pts

Slaughtermaster (Wyrdstone necklace) 220 pts


Heros

BSB bruiser (Banner of Swiftness), Mawseeker, CLS, HA) 192 pts

Bruiser 130 pts

Butcher (Grut's sickle) 165 pts


Core

27 Bulls (IFs, Bellower) 1090 pt

6 IGs (Banner of Flame, Bellower) 333 pts

5 IGs (bellower) 250 pts

Rare

2 Bull Rhinox Riders (IFs and HA) 312 pts

2997 pts

Naked bruiser goes with the 5 IGs to fill them out and just add some power to them. i could drop the units bellower to give the Bruiser an Ironfist.

Banner of swiftness is a great one for its cost. Love using it with a big block of gors with my beastmen. Nice mix with the updated list otherwise. The Rhinox will help make your force stand out. The smaller units should stand a chance of holding your bulls flanks whilst they chew their way through the enemies centre line. No problem Grey. Sorry if I came off like that in the first place. Admittedly I am a stickler for following the rules as close as I can.

No problem

Glad you like my list.

Both look painful and demand the attention of my cannons. The cav list would be harder to stop, as there would be too many threats there my line troops can't handle unsupported.

just finished a good solid 4 days of playing.

7 games total.

Beastmen: Victory

Lizardmen: draw(Skinks killed my Rhinox rider last round to turn my victory into a draw because i failed 5 3+ armor saves out of 8 )

Dark Elves: Massacre

Dark Elves: victory

double game with allied Ogres vs DE and Lizardmen(yeah, it was wierd): Massacre

Woodelves: victory

Lizardmen: Massacred(Stupid Dwellers and Blade of Realities )


Horde ogres is just devestating.

Congrats! Very impressive.

Nice work Grey. Good to see this edition is letting the Ogres hold their own on the battlefield.

By the looks of it, they're doing more than "holding their own", but it is good to see.

Personally, I'm not a fan of Deathstars or any other all-or-nothing strategies, since they tend to win hard or lose hard. It's frustrating when you simply cannot stop your opponent from winning, and it's frustrating when your opponent can't stop you. I prefer to play balanced lists, since they (should) amount to the same win/loss ratio, and they spread out/water down those painful defeats.

But anyway, that's just me. Glad to see that this new concept is working for you. I just have one question:

Why the Wyrdstone? Why not the Talisman of Endurance?

the Wyrdstone is 10 points cheaper.


Deathstarring is a little boring, but it does work and after years of nothing working at all it's nice to have SOMETHING work.

MMU works too, but i do that all the time so Deathstarring is new.



i got a final game in yesterday against a Teclis HE list. it was his first game with HEs after years of playing Dwarves so, needless to say, it was kinda one sided.

i got a lucky Bonecruncher off with Irrisistable force and killed 6 of his 8 Silver Helms who ran and kept on running.

his center was strong and then he fled with his 50 strong block of Spearmen(for a 2nd time) and i managed to catch him.

he then flanked my big block with Teclis and his BSB in a block of 30 PG, but i moved my BSB and Tyrant to the end with "make way" and Str4 does very little against T6.

the PG got slowly ground down and eventually ran and were ran down.


FWIW: Teclis took High Magic.

If a bsb takes a magic banner, he can't have a big name. If your bruiser has the banner of swiftness, he can't have mawseeker.

Big names are NOT magic items.

Big name + Magic banner is good.

"If a bruiser is carrying the army battle standard, he can have any magic banner (no points limit), but he cannot carry any other magic item nor can he have any big names." PG 69

Scarecrow456 wrote:"If a bruiser is carrying the army battle standard, he can have any magic banner (no points limit), but he cannot carry any other magic item nor can he have any big names." PG 69

And the FAQ errata:

Page 69 – Heroes, *Army Battle Standard
Ignore the second and third sentences in the first paragraph.
Change the second paragraph to “ The Battle Standard Bearer
can have any magic banner (no points limit). A model who
carries a magic banner cannot have any other magic items."

Though I agree with Warpy on deathstars draining some fun out of the game, your rampage is certainly impressive. Nicely done GT.

- Salvage

Didn't know they changed that in the FAQ. Thank you for clearing that up salvage