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Hey mates. Recently I got word that a tournament will be played in a few weeks at my store and so without further ado, began gathering what empire stuff I had and wrote up a list that I feel that it competitive but also fun to play with and hopefully against so heres my first attempt of my list so tell me what you guys think.

HQ[u]:

*Balthasar Gelt: 400 points

*General:
-w/Giant Blade, Full Plate Armor, Dragonhelm, Shield, Talisman of Endurance

*BSB:
-w/Hammer of Judgement, Armor of Meteoric Iron

*Warrior Priest #1:
-w/hw, hvy. armor, shield, Ironcurse Icon

*Warrior Priest #2:
-w/hw, hvy. armor, Enchanted Shield

*Engineer #1:
-w/hw

*Engineer #2:
-w/hw

TROOPS:

*(48x) Halberds: (w/BSB, Warrior Priest #1)
-w/Full Command, Razor Banner

*(30x) Sowrdsmen:
-w/Full Command
-Detachment of 15x Halberds

*(30x) Sowrdsmen:
-w/Full Command
-Detachment of 15x Halberds

SPECIAL:

*(38x) Greatswords: (w/General, Warrior Priest #2)
-w/Full Command

*(2x) Cannons:

*(2x) Mortars:

RARE

*Hellstorm Rocket Battery:

TOTAL: 2,800 points
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GK wrote:Hey mates. Recently I got word that a tournament will be played in a few weeks at my store and so without further ado, began gathering what empire stuff I had and wrote up a list that I feel that it competitive but also fun to play with and hopefully against so heres my first attempt of my list so tell me what you guys think.

HQ[u]:

*Balthasar Gelt: 400 points
I have never used Gelt before well at least not in 8th I dont think hes worth it tho I think you would be better off with a level 4 with rod of power and a ward save or grey wand and a ward save or or (?) Book of Ashur(sp?)and a wad save
*General:
-w/Giant Blade, Full Plate Armor, Dragonhelm, Shield, Talisman of Endurance
he's tricking you into thinking hes good however he is rubbish drop him for an Arch Lector with Armour of meteroic iron,van horstmans spectulem and sword of anti heroes
*BSB:
-w/Hammer of Judgement, Armor of Meteoric Iron
give him full plate,encanted shield and dawnstone(the common one)
*Warrior Priest #1:
-w/hw, hvy. armor, shield, Ironcurse Icon
normally i just run warrior priests with heavy armour and a great weapon i suggest you try the same
*Warrior Priest #2:
-w/hw, hvy. armor, Enchanted Shield
See above
*Engineer #1:
-w/hw
good
*Engineer #2:
-w/hw
im expecting alot of atillery if you packing 2 engineers
TROOPS:

*(48x) Halberds: (w/BSB, Warrior Priest #1)
-w/Full Command, Razor Banner
good but razor standard wll need to be dropped. also give these guys a handgunne o crossbowmen detachment aswell as a 15 man halberdier or swordsman detachment
*(30x) Sowrdsmen:
-w/Full Command
-Detachment of 15x Halberds
get a ranged detachemnt in here
*(30x) Sowrdsmen:
-w/Full Command
-Detachment of 15x Halberds
see above
SPECIAL:

*(38x) Greatswords: (w/General, Warrior Priest #2)
-w/Full Command
the idea of filding almost 40 Greatswords is cool but they just wont do what you want them too. Drop these for another mortar and those range detachments I mentioned above
*(2x) Cannons:

*(2x) Mortars:
both good
RARE

*Hellstorm Rocket Battery:
drop these to fill out magic item quota if thats filled get another cannon
TOTAL: 2,800 points
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My question is is this suppossed to be a 3000pt tourny or infact 2800pt tourny?

Thanks for the reply mate, however allow me to explain my choices:

- I have used Gelt before and he has done very well for me so far in the games I have played with him. Yes he is expensive, but its not everyday you have a wizard w/+6 to his casting roll for the lore of metal spells and running around with a 3+ ward save against shooting, not to mention being able to toss acid on people when he gets the chance. However, he is a huge point sink and is a blow if he gets killed so I'll probably drop him in favor of something cheaper.

- My general is mainly here to give my Halberds the Razor Standard thanks to his Ancient Heirloom rule as well as his leadership, and I've tried this combo in the past and had some success with it but I've been considering making him a bit cheaper so I'll probably drop some stuff off of him but leave enough for him to be somewhat effective.

- The reason my BSB has the AOMI is because I have tried the combo you have suggested but never really had as much success as I have had with this combo. The 1+ save I believe is vital for this guy and the Hammer of Judgement is a nice surprise for oppents/characters who challenge him in CC, and so far he has done well in that reguard.

-The reason I have both Warrior Priests is mainly for the hatred rule, so I tend to try and do whatever I can to keep them alive, and I really dont see it as that much more effective since one is running around in a horde of Great Swords who are all running around with a bunch of Strength 5 attacks, and the other benefits from the Razor Standard that is with the Halberds.

-Now here I disagree with dropping the Razor Standard from the Halberd Horde. This unit has been extremely effective and has continued to do so, and 30x S4, -2 armor piercing attacks that can be rerolled to hit is nothing to sneez at, especially when combined with some of the lore of metal spells. And as for the missile detachments, I have never really seen the point in running them since the tend to die really quickly and take up much needed room for the rest of my army. Same goes for fielding missile detachments for the Swordsmen.

- The Greatsword horde unit is something I've been recently experimenting with, and so far it has produced some really good results. True, they might strike last and are on Strength 5, they do however field a 4+ armor save and are stubborn, which is the strength of this unit hands down, especially with the general in the unit and with the BSB usually near by. Plus they also benefit from the Warrior Priests hatred rule, which can make this unit quite nasty.

-And finally, do you mean I should drop the H.S.R.B? Because it is a really effective warmachine and can and has caused a lot of damage, which has saved me in the games I've tried it.

GK wrote:Thanks for the reply mate, however allow me to explain my choices:

- I have used Gelt before and he has done very well for me so far in the games I have played with him. Yes he is expensive, but its not everyday you have a wizard w/+6 to his casting roll for the lore of metal spells and running around with a 3+ ward save against shooting, not to mention being able to toss acid on people when he gets the chance. However, he is a huge point sink and is a blow if he gets killed so I'll probably drop him in favor of something cheaper.
I understand the +6 and all that but like you mentioned he is soooooo expensive
- My general is mainly here to give my Halberds the Razor Standard thanks to his Ancient Heirloom rule as well as his leadership, and I've tried this combo in the past and had some success with it but I've been considering making him a bit cheaper so I'll probably drop some stuff off of him but leave enough for him to be somewhat effective.
generals of the empire really arent worth it at all. All lords with the exception of the wizard lord have LD9 so dont take him just fo the LD
- The reason my BSB has the AOMI is because I have tried the combo you have suggested but never really had as much success as I have had with this combo. The 1+ save I believe is vital for this guy and the Hammer of Judgement is a nice surprise for oppents/characters who challenge him in CC, and so far he has done well in that reguard.
all the changes i suggested were basd on if you had done the pevious change. so if you drop the general and take the arch lector with AOMI you would need to remove it from the captain. Yes AOMI is the best armour to give your BSB if your not taking an Arch Lector with it. It sux that the only other good save is 45pts and its a 2+ save. Conveiniently the acronym is ASS
-The reason I have both Warrior Priests is mainly for the hatred rule, so I tend to try and do whatever I can to keep them alive, and I really dont see it as that much more effective since one is running around in a horde of Great Swords who are all running around with a bunch of Strength 5 attacks, and the other benefits from the Razor Standard that is with the Halberds.
magic items are a waste on them. they can cast ward saves on themselves thats your protection
-Now here I disagree with dropping the Razor Standard from the Halberd Horde. This unit has been extremely effective and has continued to do so, and 30x S4, -2 armor piercing attacks that can be rerolled to hit is nothing to sneez at, especially when combined with some of the lore of metal spells. And as for the missile detachments, I have never really seen the point in running them since the tend to die really quickly and take up much needed room for the rest of my army. Same goes for fielding missile detachments for the Swordsmen.
the razor standrd was only taken out cuz i removed the geneeral. Missle detachments are great. if thy die so what noone panics .Missle detachments help improve your chances of stead fast. if both you and you opponents units are say 5X6 the missle detachments will average about 3 kills thus taking a rank away from the enemy unit and incase you lose combat your steadfast. plus they are able to weaken units that dont threaten their parent unit
- The Greatsword horde unit is something I've been recently experimenting with, and so far it has produced some really good results. True, they might strike last and are on Strength 5, they do however field a 4+ armor save and are stubborn, which is the strength of this unit hands down, especially with the general in the unit and with the BSB usually near by. Plus they also benefit from the Warrior Priests hatred rule, which can make this unit quite nasty.
horde formation isnt ideal fo them tho. 1 S5 attack per guy. unless facing another horde you wont get those 30 s5 attacks. Your also very exposed on the flanks being 4 deep enemy units will just whittle you down.Sure your probably not going to be running but 1 flank charge will end you and Sigmar forbid swarms flank you

-And finally, do you mean I should drop the H.S.R.B? Because it is a really effective warmachine and can and has caused a lot of damage, which has saved me in the games I've tried it.
no its not not for 115pts. sure its s5 but you can get a mortar that is more accurate and less points sure its s3 but accuracy>Strength at least thats how i see it