Multiple Hellcannons=too much

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**Hashulaman**

Okay right section this time....

Multiple Hellcanonns, too much?

**Lexx**

With the risks they incur on a misfire I would say no they are fine.

**Malleus**

Hellcannons aren't even the scariest thing in the WoC book. Sure, they're a bit undercosted given that you get a competent combat monster as well as one of the game's scariest stone throwers, but there's an answer for them, and a fairly cheap one at that, in almost everybody's list.

**Ragnar4**

No such thing as too much any more.

8th is the opportunity to flex your muscles and be brutal as you can be, because you need it.

If they whine, that's their problem.

**Avatar 720**

Max of 2 in anything under 3k? Not a chance they're too much in a competative environment; you're not even allowed more than 1 until 1640pts, but nobody plays at that level, so you'd be left waiting till 1750/1850 when there are loads of counters.

You'd be able to have 4 at 3280pts (so usually 3500pts), vs an army which is probably rife with counters.

**Old Man Yarrik**

Other cannons destroy Hellcannons and with a max of two in a list their not that bad

**Lordhat**

Avatar 720 wrote:Max of 2 in anything under 3k? Not a chance they're too much in a competative environment; you're not even allowed more than 1 until 1640pts, but nobody plays at that level, so you'd be left waiting till 1750/1850 when there are loads of counters.

You'd be able to have 4 at 3280pts (so usually 3500pts), vs an army which is probably rife with counters.

My core group of opponents never play less than 2k, and the good majority are 2500+. This is mostly for my benefit because I play Ogre Kingdoms. I say bring 2-3 of anything and then tone it down if your regular and frequent opponents don't seem to enjoy the games you play with them. This being said, it's important to realize a little bit of complaining about your opponent's units and their special rules is often common, from both sides of the board. This is to be ignored, or even reciprocated, depending on circumstances.

**Avatar 720**

Considering that the points where you can get a second/third/fourth hellcannon are usually times when your opponents have ample counters, I see nothing wrong at all with dumping 2 of them in at 2000-2999pts and then 3 at 3000-3279pts with 4 at 3280pts and above.

The amount of counters available at those levels even out the playing field. At 2k, Empire could field several cannons and mortars in comparison to our 2 possible hellcannons. Armies without that kind of fire-power can usually tarpit for eternity or magic you away. That's not to say that every army has a counter, but the majority of armies do in some form or another that makes maxing out hellcannons whenever possible less of a guilty pleasure and more of a back-up plan in case your original one gets sniped on the first turn.

**Ragnar4**

Wat? A mortar is a counter to a hellcannon?

**Avatar 720**

I don't believe I said that.

I said they could get cannons and mortars as a compariosn for how much firepower we can see flying our way in exchange for what we can put out.

The great cannons are the hellcannon counters, the mortars shell the gak out of our warriors.

**oldschoolmonk**

I wouldn't complain if I saw two on the field. They are nasty, gross, high cost war machines. Throw a few lists together I say and see if another unit of warriors would work better on the tabletop. The big problem I see with Hellcannons is they're limiting what you do with the rest of the army - points and maneuvering of units. One less unit makes it that hard to get around those speedbumps and distractions.

Besides, as someone else already said for every hellcannon that hits the table I can drop 2-3 warmachines with Empire. You can keep your 2 hellcannons if you want to play against my 3 mortars and 3 cannons.