Kroothawk wrote:BrassScorpion wrote:The stores that don't get "Black Boxes" aren't an issue in this discussion. The discussion was about whether or not Black Box previews are for customers to look at and nothing else. I supplied unarguable evidence that proved my point and that proved it was incorrect when you said customers don't get to see Black Boxes and a whole bunch of other erroneous statements. Case closed.
Seems like your store owner doesn't tell you internals. It works like this:
1.) The Black Boxes are send to the stores so that staff can read through the material BEFORE the customers and can build preview models for the store. Some store managers put the Codex/army book into the store after one or two days of reading, because it makes sense and the original purpose is served. The sprues are for the staff to build (only they normally have access to the assembly instructions) so that the store has build models at release, but again some store managers can inofficially delegate this task to a customer. This is tolerated by
GW management but not intended.
2.) Two or three weeks before release, all shops (including non-
GW shops not getting the Black Box) can order a special preview package including a fixed set of Codex/army book and usually 2-3 new products. While the Black Box is free, this package is at a discount but not free. No store is forced to buy this, but the package is officially called the preview package.
This is how it works in Europe (which included
UK the last time I checked
) and supposedly everywhere. And I have access to the internal information.
Saying that all stores you know matter and all stores I know don't matter and that your arguments are unarguable because you say so and that doubting your infallacy is not tolerated, is childish and not approved by logic rules.
Stop fabricating nonsense just to try and "win" this argument. I've already explained how this works more than once and I've cited GW's own advertising on this to back it up. I also am often at GW stores when the Black Boxes arrive and there are no "secrets" which I'm not privy to when those boxes arrive, no more so than you or anyone else. Again:
1) The contents of those boxes are meant to be previews for CUSTOMERS.
2) Yes, occasionally employees take a while to familiarize themselves with it before displaying it to customers, but ultimately that is why the stuff is there, as advertising to customers.
3) There are no multiple preview shipments. Example, Orcs And Goblins Army book, one copy to all GW stores in the Black Box. Same with Dark Eldar, and the one before that, etc.
And there are plenty of other customers out there backing up what I'm saying here. I've provided facts, proof and corroborating testimony, so saying "that's not proof" and continuing to belabor this point is not fruitful or rational.
Thank you and good night. The previous parts of this discussion from the Grey Knights thread are presented below for reference. --------------------------------------------
TBD wrote:Earthbeard wrote:Must be a German/European thing, because it works exactly like BrassScorpion stated over here in the UK.
It has always worked exactly that way in the Netherlands/at my local
GW as well. As soon as the Black Box hits the store the customers are welcome to check out the codex & whatever other stuff is in it.
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Earthbeard wrote:Kroothawk wrote:BrassScorpion wrote:Kroothawk wrote:The Black Box with the army book/Codex is for use by the staff only (and some staff obviously take this very strictly). The preview army book/Codex comes later, about 2 weeks before release together with preview products. You are mixing up these two.
This is simply NOT true and I can prove it. EVERY
GW store I visit puts out their Black Box preview items within a day or so after they receive it.
That's not a proof obviously.
1.) Not all stores get Black Boxes, only
GW stores and a selected number of independent stores. Believe me that the latter also can buy a preview package including the Codex/army book and two or three new items at a discount. Ask people from less priviledged stores if they only see the book on release day or 2 weeks earlier
2.) My local store get's the Black Box AND the preview package. Of course it is customer friendly to only take minimum time for reading the book and then putting it into the store as preview copy, but internal training of staff (and giving staff time to build all models) is the prime reasoning behind the Black Box..
Must be a German/European thing, because it works exactly like BrassScorpion stated over here in the
UK.
Of course I have known various
GW staff to take a "Haha I've got the book, you can't see it, you can't see it nee naw" approach, which is quite frankly childish and utterly baffling.
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That's not a proof obviously.
1.) Not all stores get Black Boxes, only GW stores and a selected number of independent stores. Believe me that the latter also can buy a preview package including the Codex/army book and two or three new items at a discount. Ask people from less priviledged stores if they only see the book on release day or 2 weeks earlier
2.) My local store get's the Black Box AND the preview package. Of course it is customer friendly to only take minimum time for reading the book and then putting it into the store as preview copy, but internal training of staff (and giving staff time to build all models) is the prime reasoning behind the Black Box..
The stores that don't get "Black Boxes" aren't an issue in this discussion. The discussion was about whether or not Black Box previews are for customers to look at and nothing else. I supplied unarguable evidence that proved my point and that proved it was incorrect when you said customers don't get to see Black Boxes and a whole bunch of other erroneous statements. Case closed.
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Kroothawk wrote:The Black Box with the army book/Codex is for use by the staff only (and some staff obviously take this very strictly). The preview army book/Codex comes later, about 2 weeks before release together with preview products. You are mixing up these two.
This is simply NOT true and I can prove it. EVERY
GW store I visit puts out their Black Box preview items within a day or so after they receive it.
And Games Workshop advertises on their website now when Black Boxes go out and in those adverts asks customers to head down to their local GW store and take a look at what's inside. Occasionally I've seen staff hold a book away from preview for a day or so till they've had a chance to familiarize themselves with it first before giving customers a go, but that's about it for restrictions. The Black Box items are for customer preview and
GW actively advertises that on their website each time a Black Box goes out. What's more, many of the
GW store managers I know actually ask select customers to build the models that come in the Black Box, especially since the staff cuts of recent years. I've built models for different stores and different managers on multiple occasions and I know many others that have done so as well.
There is no second preview copy of items that comes later. I'm in my local
GW shops every week and the stuff that comes in the Black Boxes are the only preview items that the store normally gets. There are exceptions to putting stuff out for preview immediately, mostly for core rule books, like the new Warhammer Fantasy book last year or the War of the Ring rule book, but those staff-only copies were sent to staff in special packages, NOT Black Boxes, and employees had to sign that they had received special instructions not to show it to customers before the official preview date. Those exceptional circumstances are because
GW wants the staff to know the new core system rules before customers see them so they can begin teaching people the new rules starting on the preview date. Those special staff-only previews go out weeks ahead of the usual preview schedule on which Black Boxes are shipped out. But again, these are exceptions, Army Book and Codex Book copies that come in Black Boxes ARE the customer preview copies.
Instead of filling up this thread with useless or incorrect and false information, how about we wait till the Advance Orders for Grey Knights go up on Wednesday and then discuss something that has a basis in fact and that is related to the topic, "Grey Knights Black Box to arrive in stores March 12th"? And yes, I'll be looking at the Black Box preview items as soon as they arrive in my local
GW stores just like I looked at recent Skaven, Dark Eldar, and Orcs And Goblin Black Box previews.
