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San Jose, CA

Today I faced a very strong Witch Hunter army - SabrX's Witch Hunters - so I decided to bring my A-game. I've played his sisters several times and they are a very good army. SabrX himself is a very capable general.

I brought my future competitive Grey Knight army - the dreaded Dread-spam knights.


My list:

Grey Knights 2K

Castellan Crowe

Venerable Dread - 2x TL-Autocannons, Psybolt Ammo
Venerable Dread - 2x TL-Autocannons, Psybolt Ammo
Venerable Dread - 2x TL-Autocannons, Psybolt Ammo

5x Purifier Squads - 2x Psycannons, 3x Halberds, Rhino
5x Purifier Squads - 2x Psycannons, 3x Halberds, Rhino
5x Purifier Squads - 2x Psycannons, 3x Halberds, Rhino
5x Grey Knight Strike Squads - 1x Psycannon, Rhino - 150
5x Grey Knight Strike Squads - 1x Psycannon, Rhino - 150

Dread - 2x TL-Autocannons, Psybolt Ammo
Dread - 2x TL-Autocannons, Psybolt Ammo
Dread - 2x TL-Autocannons, Psybolt Ammo


Witch Hunters 2K

I don't have SabrX's list, but this is approximately what it is. SabrX, if you read this, please PM or email me your list and I will change it here.

Canoness - Book of St. Lucius, Eviscerator, Bolt Pistol
5x Celestian retinue - 2x Meltas, Immolator w/Extra Armor + Smokes

5x Celestians - 2x Meltas, Immolator w/Extra Armor + Smokes
5x Celestians - 2x Meltas, Immolator w/Extra Armor + Smokes

10x Battle Sisters - Book of St. Lucius, Braziers, Heavy Flamer, Flamer, VSS, Rhino, Extra Armour (Imperial Armour Vol II)
10x Battle Sisters - Book of St. Lucius, Braziers, Heavy Flamer, Melta, VSS, Rhino, Extra Armour (Imperial Armour Vol II)
10x Battle Sisters - Book of St. Lucius, Braziers, Heavy Flamer, Melta, VSS, Rhino, Extra Armour (Imperial Armour Vol II)

7x Seraphims - 2x Hand Flamers, Eviserator, Book of St. Lucius
7x Seraphims - 2x Hand Flamers, Eviserator, Book of St. Lucius

Exorcist
Exorcist
Exorcist


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Mission: Seize Ground - 4 Objectives

Deployment: Dawn of War

Initiative: Sisters win, but forces Grey Knights to go first.


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PRE-GAME ANALYSIS:

Grey Knights:
This is going to be a shooting gallery. I think I should be able to disable my opponent's mobility. It'll be killing his infantry which will be a problem. He doesn't fear my force weapons as almost each and every sister unit can become invulnerable with Spirit of the Martyr. Seraphim's ability to automatically hit and run will be a big nuisance....I won't be able to tie them up with my dreads when necessary. I will out-shoot the sisters but I won't out-assault them. My priority will be to take out his mobility and shoot down his transports. My dreads will almost always be in cover hiding behind my transports.

In annihilation, I think I have the advantage with my superior ranged shooting. In capture and control, Witch Hunters should have the advantage as they will be the ones advancing whereas I will be stationary for at least 1-2 turns to take advantage of my psycannon shooting. With Seize Ground, it's a toss-up. I've got more troops. However, the Sisters have more units able to contest, including 2 seraphim squads who can become invulnerable and hit and run 3D6".

In Pitched Battle and Spearhead, I should have the advantage with my ranged shooting....that is, if I go first. Otherwise, I'm dealing with tranports in cover. Dawn of War should benefit my opponent as he is using Imperial Armour II rhinos. Why? Because they have special searchlights which automatically illuminate 1 vehicle.


Witch Hunters:
He's got to be really concerned about my ranged AT. My shooting is a nightmare for him. He needs to be able to use his smokes or he doesn't have much of a chance to survive my shooting. Going first or Dawn of War deployment will help him immensely. He needs to get close to me as quickly as possible. Battle sisters are deadliest when they're within 12" of the enemy where they can use their meltas and rending rapid-fire bolters/flamers. If I do not cripple him on turn 2, then he will get into range to do some damage, but if I do, then he may be in trouble. He may actually have the advantage in assault. His sisters may become invulnerable so my force weapons won't be of much use. On the other hand, his eviscerators spell death to my grey knights without warding staves. And I can't lock his seraphims in assault with my dreads, which means they should be able to contest my objectives unless I wipe them out completely.


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Deployment:


Sisters win initiative but forces me to go first. We both deploy nothing. The Grey Knight terminators are used as objectives.


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Grey Knights 1

My forces comes in. Front rhinos pop smoke. Sentinels are heavy support dreads, while dreads are vendreads.


Witch Hunters 1

Witch Hunters come in almost directly across from me.


Rhinos illuminate 2 of my rhinos and exorcists explode one of the purifier rhinos, killing 1 grey knight in the explosion.


Grey Knights 2

Grey Knight's movement phase. Darn it! My strike squad rhino immobilises itself on terrain. Strike squad then gets out and move forwards so they can shoot.


My shooting wrecks the front immolator, shakes and weapon destroys the other front immolator, shakes 2 rhinos, immobilises the left exorcist and weapon destroys and stuns the right exorcist. He escapes a lot of damage thanks to cover and me rolling low on the vehicle damage tables even though almost all the rifleman shots (the dreadnoughts) hit.


Witch Hunters 2

Sisters advance, with the front vehicles popping smoke. As we didn't take pictures this turn, I believe he did destroy another purifier rhino but don't think he did anything beyond that (I could be wrong, though....don't quite remember).


Grey Knights 3
I move the dreads up but the rhinos stay still so that I could fire 4 shots with each psycannon. My purifiers move up to his celestians.


In my shooting phase, I explode his canoness' immolator and the middle battle sister rhino, shake the right, weaponless immolator and wreck the left battle sister rhino. 2 celestians, a couple of battle sistsers and I believe 1 seraphim die in the explosion.


Purifier then multi-assaults his celestians and battle sisters (unfortunately for me, only 1 knight makes it into combat with his battle sisters). He calls on Spirit of the Martyr to make his celestians invulnerable. I then cast Cleansing Flame, but both celestians and battle sisters block it with their Shield of Faith.


I kill maybe a couple of celestians, but due to a very stubborn army, we stay locked in combat.


Witch Hunters 3

Sisters movement. He throws almost everything at my purifiers....including the kitchen sink. Some of them become invulnerable. Right battle sisters and celestians disembark to try to take out my dreads.


Left battle sisters go after my empty rhino.


Sister shooting blows off one of the autocannons on my right vendread (looking at it from my perspective) and explodes my middle heavy dread. Left battle sisters blow up my left empty rhino.


This is the second time against SabrX where my guys get gang-raped by a bunch of girls. Now some may say that you can use Cleansing Flame each and every assault phase, but I felt somewhat dubious about that. If there is controversy regarding a rule, then I tend to go with what I felt was the intent of the designers or the stricter intepretation. Thus, I did not cast Cleansing Flamer on the near-30 models locked in combat with me. I did, however, forget to cast Hammerhand.


As a result, my purifiers are still hurting til this day.


Grey Knights 4

Grey Knights movement. Purifiers heads towards seraphims and celestians. All three vendreads move towards the sister's transports.


Shooting sees me blow up both transports by my vendreads, taking out a few sisters in the explosions. Also, concentrated fire by my purifiers and left strike squad against his seraphims causes them to fall back. Doh! Huge mistake on my part, as now my purifiers are exposed without a unit to assault (they shot at the seraphims). I also send the right unit of celestians falling back. Damn. There goes my plan to Cleansing Flame the seraphims and 2 squads of celestians. Instead, now my purifiers are sitting ducks outside of cover!


The only assault that occurs is that Crowe (proxied using an assassin) charges his battle sisters on the lower-right corner. Once again, I make a mistake in not casting Cleansing Flame nor Hammerhand and only manage to kill 1 sister with rending.


Witch Hunters 4

Sister movement. Both the seraphims and celestians regroup. One unit of seraphims go after my left strike squad. Middle sisters move to within flamer range of my exposed purifiers, and canoness and celestians go after my dreads. His weaponless exorcist heads towards my objective but immobilises itself in terrain.


Sister shooting blows up my left rhino, takes off 1 autocannon from my left vendread and kills 3 from my purifiers (I made a lot of saves for them!). So canoness is forced to deal with them. In assault, 2-woman celestian unit charges my vendread to lock it up, canoness' unit charges my purifiers and his seraphims charge my left strike squad.


His canoness whiffs against my purifiers, and in turn, I can't get past his celestians' invulnerability for a drawn combat. Vendread and 2-celestians don't hurt each other. Crowe kills 2 sisters and my strike squad only kills 1 invulnerable seraphim while losing 2 grey knights to their eviscerators.


Grey Knights 5
Now here is the situation with the objectives. Right now, I have only 1 objective - my right objective. Sisters have 2 objectives - their left objective and the middle objective. I need to hustle to those objectives if I don't want to lose!


Grey knight strike squad goes to help out my lone purifier locked in combat with the canoness. Both vendreads go to contest the middle objective (with the middle vendread popping smoke) and the right vendread goes after his celestians. It's not in the picture, but my left dread runs towards his left sisters on their objective, popping smoke in the process.

I believe it was on this turn that my dread either wrecks list last exorcist or blow off its gun. In any case, there is no more shooting from any of the exorcists.


His seraphims kill 2 knights whereas my knights can't do anything to his invulnerable seraphims. They then do a move which catches me by surprise. They hit-and-run and springboard off of my justicar 13" to go after my other purifiers on my right objective.


Witch Hunters 5

Battle sisters back up so that if my dread assaults should there be a turn 6, I won't be able to pull them out of claiming range of their objective. However, what he fails to see is that if my dread assaults them, I'll most likely be in contesting range of his objective. Of course, this is all assuming there is a turn 6.


Seraphims and battle sisters move forwards.


The other unit of seraphims go after my purifiers on my left objective.


The battle sisters shoot down my lone justicar, and the rear celestians immobilise my green vendread with their melta.


I can't believe it, but his 3-seraphims shoot down 2 knights! Unfortunately, it wasn't the 2 that were in his assault range.


Charge! He pulls me off of my objective and kill 1 knight. I forget to use Cleansing Flamer or Hammerhand and my justicar whiffs in return.


His seraphims charge my strike squad, killing 2. In return, I whiff against his invulnerable seraphims. Canoness wipes out the lone purifier, who whiffed in return, and Crowe finally finishes off the 2-battle sisters. Also, his celestians assault my middle vendread to lock it up so that it cannot move.



At this point, he's got 1 objective (his own, left objective) while I have none. If the game were to end now, the Grey Knights lose. We roll to to see if the game ends and, fortunately for me, it doesn't.


Grey Knights 6

Crowe goes after his Canoness. My right vendread heads towards the middle objective. My immobilised vendread pops smoke in anticipation of some melta in the back.


Left dread goes after his battle sisters on objective.


Crowe charges his canoness and I make another mistake here, casting Hammerhand rather than waiting for Heroic Sacrifice. Anyways, Crowe whiffs seriously and gets pwned by the canoness' eviscerator. My left vendread lends a helping hand to the vendread-celestian combat but they go nowhere. Finally, my justicar whiffs against left seraphims, they kill 1 knight and then hit and run out of there.


Dreadnought joins into the justicar-seraphim melee.


A recurring motif in this game is that my justicars just can't fight! I don't know how many times now, but my justicar whiffs for the umpteenth time and gets clobbered by the seraphim's eviscerator. They then hit-and-run out of combat with my dread.


Lastly, my dreadnought shoots and kills 1 sister. SabrX makes a mistake here and removes the central model closest to my dread. This ensured that when I charge his sisters, that I will be even closer to his objective. That is exactly what I do.


Witch Hunters 6
At this point, it is most likely a draw as my left dread is highly likely to be contesting his objective. So in order to win, SabrX needs to kill my dread.


Sister's movement. Left seraphims go dread hunting. Battle sisters go after my last grey knight. Right seraphims go after my vendread and canoness gets ready to melta my immobilised dread.


Battle sisters fail to shoot down my last knight, so canoness' unit has to do the job. Her melta also fails.


Without any faith left to become invulnerable, his canoness (with 1W left) charges my justicar, knowing full well that he can't even kill a fly. Sure enough, my justicar whiffs completely and then dies.


Seraphims assault my vendread but fail to kill him.


Seraphims assault my contesting dread.


His eviscerators are magic against my grey knights, killing many, many knights. Now, they also have the accolade of claiming the life of a dread.


Sisters win, killing all my troops and claiming 1 objective.




Victory to Witch Hunters!!!


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Post-game Anaylsis:
Like I predicted, I was pretty much able to disable all the Witch Hunter vehicles. The only 2 vehicles still alive at games end were 2 immobilised, weaponless exorcists. However, my guys just were not able to overcome his invulnerable celestians, seraphims and canoness....even when the sisters ran out of faith! My knights were whiffing like crazy in assault and he was making most of his saves in combat. There were many instances in the game where if my knights could have just killed one more sister, it would've made a big difference....and I'm talking about power weapons wounding on 3's against non-invulnerable sisters! My assault phases were complete failures, whereas his combat were really good for the most part (except when his canoness totally whiffed with 4 eviscerator attacks). It's very ironic that my grey knights were out-assaulted by a sisters army. In the future, I may have to consider putting Warding Staffs in my more expensive units.

Also, I made a lot of mistakes in this game. Many, many times, I forgot to use Hammerhand and a few times, Cleansing Flame. I had a chance to use Heroic Sacrifice against his canoness but messed that up by using Hammerhand. Also, I'm not sure why I exposed 2 of my rhinos to get melta'd by his sisters. I guess I was trying to reach his left objective, but that may have been poor playing on my part. I should not have focused fire on his seraphims, causing them to fall back and then leaving my purifiers out in the open (either that or I should not have shot at his seraphims with my purifiers). But I guess there's not much you can do when your opponent fails his LD9 at the right time and with the right unit.

But what I felt may have been one of my largest mistakes is something that is unavoidable with this army. Basically, it is the inherent nature of psycannon-spam....I stayed back and shot. While my dreads were advancing for the most part, my infantry were standing still in order to be able to fire their psycannons with 4 shots. Multiple-objectives mission favor the more aggressive, advancing army. If they have the resiliency to survive my shooting, then they naturally have the advantage as they are already on the objectives. Gunline armies suffer if they don't have the means to go after objectives in the late game. I had nothing that could really reach his left objective besides my rhinos (which were easily disabled) and my left dread. Therefore, even though I was destroying his vehicles with ease, I was way out of position to do much about it. Advice to psycannon-spam knights: in objectives-based games, especially in multiple-objectives missions, don't hesitate to move when you should. Do not just sit back and shoot. At least we have this advantage over other MEQ armies - they can't move and shoot with their heavy weapons. We can. Advance your entire army, using your dreads to protect your infantry.

Also, I found that using dreads as a tarpit unit is a double-edged sword. In this game, he tarpitted my dreads instead with his 3-5 model units, locking my 195pt vendreads with 30-60pts worth of sisters. Luckily for me though, by that time, they were already within contesting range of his objectives so that assaulting them just prevented him from shooting them with his meltas.


Now onto the units themselves.....


Castellan Crowe: B-. He is necessary in a purifier-based army. I did not utilize him to his full potential due to my unfamiliarity with him (this was my first time using him) as well as the many mistakes I made with him. But I wouldn't say he is as useless as most people make him out to be. Sure he can't join a unit, but his weaknesses is all the more reason why he will survive to make it into combat in most games. People just don't see him as much of a threat and tend to ignore him in order to deal with other more dangerously-perceived threats. So as long as you protect him, either with cover or by keeping him out of LOS, I guarantee he will make it into assault and surprise a few people.

Venerable Dreadnought: A. These guys are ridiculously good at what they are supposed to do, and that is to take down enemy vehicles. My vendreads did not miss all game! You're talking about 12 S8 shots a turn all hitting. Fortitude is ridiculously good as well. 2 or 3 times throughout the game, I ignored shaken/stunned results because of it so was always firing each turn. Given cover behind my rhinos and I can't blame SabrX for deciding to focus on my rhinos instead of my dreads. Also, they were hit 3 times by meltas that should have finished them off. Instead, their venerable status saved them with 2 weapon destroyed and an immobilised result instead. Just a very, very efficient and durable unit.

Purifiers: B. If only they did not do so bad in assault, I would have rated them higher. Their shooting was decent. It's just that their assault was below par. In their defense though, almost every unit they faced in assault had 3++ invuln's. Otherwise, purifiers are a great unit with awesome potential. You will be seeing a lot of these guys in pure grey knight lists. Better assault, more guns and an awesome psychic power to boot, these guys are the quintessential grey knight.

Strike Squad: B-. These guys are necessary in my Grey Knight army just because of their anti-deepstriking defense. But in this game, they weren't particularly impressive.

Dreadnought: B+. Their shooting was solid. Not quite as accurate as the vendreads, but they would average 3-4 hits a turn. Fortitude is a boon on grey knight walkers (as well as vehicles). If only my dread had survived the seraphim's eviscerator at the end, I would probably have given them an A-. Otherwise, they did their job and they did it well.


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MVP's:
Grey Knights:
Venerable Dreadnought: My infantry failed this game. My dreads didn't. It was an easy decision. Basically, the dreads counted for most of the vehicle kills.

Witch Hunters:
Seraphims: Also an easy decision. The seraphims brought the Sisters back from the brink of domination by my shooting. They wiped out both of my knights on my objectives. They then went on to destroy my contesting dreadnought for the win. While I knew what the seraphims were capable of, I just wasn't expecting them to do this much. Bravo. Sisters steal one from the new grey knights.



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Crowe is just terribad its like your playing with a 150 point handicap. Is Purifiers as troops really worth 150 points?

As far as the sisters list I don't like it. You really want minimum 4 scoring units at 2k preferable 5. Seraphim should be some more scoring units. You want meltas in all your troop squads at least 1 preferable 2 might have to spend for a combi.

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It is if you are spamming Dreads and cant give up the elite slots?



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Well you could take Grey Knight Strike Squads and another HQ that actually does something worthwhile. The 150 point handicap just seems not worth it. Hopefully the faq Crowe so he can join a squad so is not useless other then his make Purifiers troops ability.
   
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He's not that bad. For one thing, he can use Cleansing Flame against horde armies. For another, he can use Heroic Sacrifice to take out enemy uber characters/units.

But mainly, I would use him to tarpit other assault unit. With re-rolls on his saves, he is quite survivable and can lock up enemy units for quite a while. Then when he dies, he can take the enemy with him.

Also, while this is slightly ambiguous, some may argue that he could use Cleansing Flamer every assault phase! (Although I didn't do it in my game....if it is dubious, then I don't do it.) Just keep parrying instead of attacking while using Cleansing Flame.

I took purifiers because I wanted to try them out. 2 psycannons (per 5-man squad) and 2 attacks base each + Cleansing Flame? What's not to like about them? They are going to be a very popular unit. Normally I wouldn't take Crowe, but in this case, I needed my Elite slots open for my vendreads.

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Every time a user post a future GK army list without the codex being officially realized. A little kitten is flayed alive.

BUT tell then GO GK!?

   
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xlightscreen.
The grey knights codex is in GW stores for browsing. What do you have against kittens?

I'd have to say go Grey knights also.
   
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Quick corrections to my list:

Canoness - Book of St. Lucius, Eviscerator, Bolt Pistol
5x Celestian retinue - 2x Meltas, Immolator w/Extra Armor + Smokes

5x Celestians - 2x Meltas, Immolator w/Extra Armor + Smokes
5x Celestians - 2x Meltas, Immolator w/Extra Armor + Smokes

10x Battle Sisters - Book of St. Lucius, Braziers, Heavy Flamer, Flamer, VSS, Rhino, Extra Armour (Imperial Armour Vol II)
10x Battle Sisters - Book of St. Lucius, Braziers, Heavy Flamer, Melta, VSS, Rhino, Extra Armour (Imperial Armour Vol II)
10x Battle Sisters - Book of St. Lucius, Braziers, Heavy Flamer, Melta, VSS, Rhino, Extra Armour (Imperial Armour Vol II)

7x Seraphims - 2x Hand Flamers, Eviserator, Book of St. Lucius
7x Seraphims - 2x Hand Flamers, Eviserator, Book of St. Lucius

Exorcist
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I look forward to reading the battle report.

   
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Avariel wrote:xlightscreen.
The grey knights codex is in GW stores for browsing. What do you have against kittens?

I'd have to say go Grey knights also.


I live like 300 miles away form a GW store, but thanks for reminding me again. :( *cries in corner.
   
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@SabrX:

Thanks and corrected.


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I thought GK until I read the list. In my opinion any grey knight list that doesn't have 60 strikes is worthless. Good luck with the S8 and 5 man squads though.

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This one is going to be interesting. SoB tend to destroy MEQ due to Divine Guidance. I also disagree with the assessment that each SoB squad needs two Meltas. I run 3x Celestians and 1x SoB with 2x Melta, but I usually include 3 more Sob squads with Flamer, H Flamer, Combi - flamer as well.

The real killer I think is going to be the exorcists which are awesome at killing dreadnoughts.

I have to go with the SoB on this one, although I wish the Seraphim had Inferno Pistols rather than Hand Flamers.

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Battle report updated with Pre-game Analysis.


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Lol, rovian, you crack me up with your comments.


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Word, Rovian is full of win. Anyway crowe is really bad and has the bird flu....get it AHHAHA

Same list, different army

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Whoa, that terrain is REALLY light on full LOS block...

Shooting gallery is right. I predict that the psyflemen will be gods of war, and that the sisters will be walking right away.

I do like the sisters list a lot though. But terrain isn't going to be helping their cause

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That board makes me sad :(

The more terrain the better IMO.
   
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Although I'm cheering for the Witch Hunters....sadly, I think the odds are in the newer codex's favour. :( That is a LOT of strenght 8/7 shots coming at the fragile Sisters Rhinos.

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We had a third person setup terrain and afterwards, we both decided it was okay. Honestly, I think the Sisters player prefer less terrain so that he can traverse the board more easily with less risk of immobilising his transports. Me, I don't really care too much. I build my armies to be able to handle terrain-heavy or terrain-lite maps. It doesn't affect me as much as some armies like DE or IG....or so I hope.


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Shep wrote:Whoa, that terrain is REALLY light on full LOS block...

I do like the sisters list a lot though. But terrain isn't going to be helping their cause


Griever wrote:That board makes me sad :(

The more terrain the better IMO.


Unfortunately, other GW stores have been stealing terrain from the store we were playing at. There's also a surprising number off fantasy players. GW Oakridge has a lot of fantasy terrain.

   
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I noticed the food and model trays in the background of that picture... and now I'm hungry... GREAT.

Crowe is ok, but the only thing that makes him this way is his potential. IF, and this is one dam big IF, he charges his opponent, he may actually survive, and win combat, but he resilient. Unless of course, if he is in CC and decides to hold his ground and re-roll 2+ and 4++ saves all day long. The only real point to taking Crowe is to take very good elites choices as troops.

Though I would like to see 60 PAGK on the field, I think that would be pretty amazing.


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+1 Str for like 5 points? To autocannons or assault cannons? Hell yea. Then the Reinforced Aegis upgrade for free AND the ability to ignore stunned shaken.. pretty much for free..
Other Dreadnaughts should just go somewhere and be a toaster.

Mattieu~~~~ It's not that eldar are bad, it's that they require a lot of intergration between units. Also, that doesnt prove anything other than GW has a huge hard-on for marines, and, given the option between making a xeno the best psykers or making a marine the best psyker, they will 9 times out of 10 choose the marine.
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Tzeentchling9 wrote:Mephy can't be swept. He is still a marine so he has the, "And They Shall Never Get Removed From The Table After Losing Combat Like Everyone Else Because They Are The Poster Boys" special rule.


 
   
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SabrX wrote:
Unfortunately, other GW stores have been stealing terrain from the store we were playing at. There's also a surprising number off fantasy players. GW Oakridge has a lot of fantasy terrain.


There is plenty of terrain in the back and other the other tables. Very rarely do I play a game with less that 35-40% of the board having terrain on it.

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I would honestly describe neither of these lists as competitive. The GK list lacks a solid core, having spent over a thousand points on suppression/anti-transport units and the pseudo-useless Crowe. The Sisters list looks as if it would be extremely competitive in 3.5th/pre-Mechdar 5th but has several units that IMO aren't particularly strong these days. I've seen most Sisters armies switching over to Immolator spam over Seraphim, and while Exorcists certainly aren't *weak* units, they are no longer the powerhouses that they once were.
   
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Not to harp on an existing point but the lack of terrain is really rough for the SoB army imo. The most critical part of the game for SoB is closing to that 12" range with enough firepower left to disable the enemy.

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Fetterkey wrote:The Sisters list looks as if it would be extremely competitive in 3.5th/pre-Mechdar 5th but has several units that IMO aren't particularly strong these days. I've seen most Sisters armies switching over to Immolator spam over Seraphim, and while Exorcists certainly aren't *weak* units, they are no longer the powerhouses that they once were.


I've played Immolator Spam (check my battle reports). It isn't as powerful as you think. Yes it will overwhelms a few competitive armies such as hordes, mech, and moderate MC's, but it suffers against assault heavy armies and gunlines. Seraphims counteract Immolator Spam's weakness by providing good assault and mobility. IMO Exorcists are irreplaceable and essential for any Sisters list. They provide long range support and is arguably one of the best anti-mech and anti-MC.

   
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Immolator Spam isn't a flawless list, but Assault Marines without melta don't really impress anybody anymore, and Seraphim are that, but nonscoring and with strength and toughness 3. They have a few nice tricks that can sort of make up for it, but in my opinion it's not enough.
   
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Seraphim need to be viewed within the context of the army they support. A BoSL means they are likely to stick around even when losing combat, a built in Imagifier makes them a great candidate for SotM and their automatic hit and run helps you control combat.

The service they provide is they protect 'soft' SoB units from the assault phase and clean up anything left after DG. They can also pin down a set of Terminators or other models with a relatively low number of high strength/armor bypassing attacks.

I like them with Inferno Pistols better, but even with Flamers they still fill a valuable role in a SoB army.

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