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I've always had an interest in the Fenris world but I'm not ready to buy a Space Wolves Army

Would a Guard Army on Fenris make sense?

or what fluff could I make up to justify the IG being on Fenris (after all their main battle tank is named after the Primarch)

or could I make it so that its an IG regiment that was transfered there from another world

and can the mark of the wulfen affect regular humans?

Wulfen does not affect regular humans.

I suggest you take a read over the fluff part of the Space Wolves codex before you do anything.

As far as I know there are only Space Marines being created on Fenris, as there are too few Fenrisian people themself to make a regiment.

IG from Fenris - only Space Marines.
IG transferred to Fenris - don't think Space Wolves would allow it.
Wulfen would kill normal people, it kills some of the Space Wolve recruits and they are the bad of the bad of Fenris.

PresidentOfAsia wrote:I've always had an interest in the Fenris world but I'm not ready to buy a Space Wolves Army

Would a Guard Army on Fenris make sense?

None, whatsoever. The population of Fenris is purposely kept isolated from the rest of the Imperium.

or what fluff could I make up to justify the IG being on Fenris (after all their main battle tank is named after the Primarch)

Again: none, whatsoever. If you want a world that raises Guard regiments and has close ties to the Space Wolves: you want the planet of Garm. There was a Space Wolf relic there, supposedly a spear belonging to one of Leman Russ' personal lieutenants. They had very close ties, and as far as I know they still do.

Kanluwen wrote:

PresidentOfAsia wrote:I've always had an interest in the Fenris world but I'm not ready to buy a Space Wolves Army

Would a Guard Army on Fenris make sense?

None, whatsoever. The population of Fenris is purposely kept isolated from the rest of the Imperium.

or what fluff could I make up to justify the IG being on Fenris (after all their main battle tank is named after the Primarch)

Again: none, whatsoever. If you want a world that raises Guard regiments and has close ties to the Space Wolves: you want the planet of Garm. There was a Space Wolf relic there, supposedly a spear belonging to one of Leman Russ' personal lieutenants. They had very close ties, and as far as I know they still do.

interesting, tell me more about Garm, I can't seem to find much on the Warhammer 40k wiki

So Garm has a guard regiment?

Thats kind of weird b/c its supposedly sacred ground and yet is still guarded by IG

So could I use Fenrisian symbols and color schemes?

Space Marine worlds don't have to contribute to the Imperial Guard I believe, they maintain their own PDF's however that are probably more well trained/equipped then many IG Regiments.

Like others have said the possibility of having an IG regiment raised from Fenris is impossible. In fact the Space Wolves let very few people even come to Fenris.

But Space Wolves do use thralls, Fenrisian men who crew Space Wolf ships and fight for the Space Wolves. You could work something around that like while the company was planet side fighting alongside the IG the ship took too much damage and the crew was forced to abandon ship (ships can have crews hundreds to thousands strong). When they reached planetside they met up with the IG and fought alongside them or something like that.

The only other way I can think of is to either have a PDF regiment from a planet under the SW protection or have a regiment from a world thats culture is similar to Fenris.


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Harriticus wrote:Space Marine worlds don't have to contribute to the Imperial Guard I believe, they maintain their own PDF's however that are probably more well trained/equipped then many IG Regiments.

I'm pretty sure the UM are the only chapter that has a PDF

PresidentOfAsia wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

PresidentOfAsia wrote:I've always had an interest in the Fenris world but I'm not ready to buy a Space Wolves Army

Would a Guard Army on Fenris make sense?

None, whatsoever. The population of Fenris is purposely kept isolated from the rest of the Imperium.

or what fluff could I make up to justify the IG being on Fenris (after all their main battle tank is named after the Primarch)

Again: none, whatsoever. If you want a world that raises Guard regiments and has close ties to the Space Wolves: you want the planet of Garm. There was a Space Wolf relic there, supposedly a spear belonging to one of Leman Russ' personal lieutenants. They had very close ties, and as far as I know they still do.

interesting, tell me more about Garm, I can't seem to find much on the Warhammer 40k wiki

So Garm has a guard regiment?

Thats kind of weird b/c its supposedly sacred ground and yet is still guarded by IG

Garm is less "sacred ground" and simply a "place where something important to the Wolves happened. It's a world that the Space Wolves liberated. Since then, there's been kind of a 'pact' between the two. Garm maintains the Spear for the Wolves, the Wolves come to Garm's defense if any foe they can't readily handle comes along.

So could I use Fenrisian symbols and color schemes?

Probably, sure. You'll want to find William King's "Space Wolves" books for more info. While many of the other stuff within isn't really 'accurate' in terms of the canon we have now, it's still a reasonable snapshot of the Space Wolves themselves.


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Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Like others have said the possibility of having an IG regiment raised from Fenris is impossible. In fact the Space Wolves let very few people even come to Fenris.

But Space Wolves do use thralls, Fenrisian men who crew Space Wolf ships and fight for the Space Wolves. You could work something around that like while the company was planet side fighting alongside the IG the ship took too much damage and the crew was forced to abandon ship (ships can have crews hundreds to thousands strong). When they reached planetside they met up with the IG and fought alongside them or something like that.

Ehhh. Not entirely true. Many Chapters use Thralls who have no actual ties to the homeworld, so there's no 'mixed loyalties' where the Thralls decide they're being screwed over by the Marines.

The only other way I can think of is to either have a PDF regiment from a planet under the SW protection or have a regiment from a world thats culture is similar to Fenris.

Harriticus wrote:Space Marine worlds don't have to contribute to the Imperial Guard I believe, they maintain their own PDF's however that are probably more well trained/equipped then many IG Regiments.

I'm pretty sure the UM are the only chapter that has a PDF

The OP is asking about the Guard. PDF really don't contribute to this discussion, mainly because if the Marines recruit from a fully 'civilized' world, ala the Ultramar system--they'll likely have a PDF.
Space Wolves, Ultramarines, and Raven Guard(off the top of my head at least) are the only Chapters really known to be willing to interact with Guard regiments on a personable basis. Not entirely unheard of for them to maintain decent working ties with Guard regiments that they have a constant interaction with.

PresidentOfAsia wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

PresidentOfAsia wrote:I've always had an interest in the Fenris world but I'm not ready to buy a Space Wolves Army

Would a Guard Army on Fenris make sense?

None, whatsoever. The population of Fenris is purposely kept isolated from the rest of the Imperium.

or what fluff could I make up to justify the IG being on Fenris (after all their main battle tank is named after the Primarch)

Again: none, whatsoever. If you want a world that raises Guard regiments and has close ties to the Space Wolves: you want the planet of Garm. There was a Space Wolf relic there, supposedly a spear belonging to one of Leman Russ' personal lieutenants. They had very close ties, and as far as I know they still do.

interesting, tell me more about Garm, I can't seem to find much on the Warhammer 40k wiki

So Garm has a guard regiment?

Thats kind of weird b/c its supposedly sacred ground and yet is still guarded by IG

So could I use Fenrisian symbols and color schemes?

Here are some abridged descriptions of Garm, its history and soldiers

Grey Hunter wrote:
1. Garm was the site of one of the holiest of all the Space Wolves' shrines. Indeed, the world had taken its name from Garm, mightiest of the First, one of the Wolf Lords who had risen in the service of Russ himself during the founding of the Chapter. The cairn marked the spot where he fell in battle with Magnus the Red, primarch of the Thousand Sons, during the battle that had freed the planet from the domination of the traitor marines. It had been a desperate moment, when Russ stumbled and the evil one had stood triumphant over him. Garm had snatched up Russ's spear and launched himself to his primarch's defence.
Using Russ's mighty weapon he had wounded the Chaos primarch, a feat considered near impossible by mortal man. The furious Magnus had burned him down on the spot with evil magic, but the hero's death had given Russ time to recover, and drive off the lord of the Thousand Sons.
The cairn had been raised by Russ himself with his own hands, in tribute to the first and greatest of his followers. The Pprimarch caused a jet of cold blue flame to mark the spot, and laid his enchanted spear on the cairn, asking his old freinds spirit to watch over the weapon untill he returned to claim it.

2. As for the Spear of Russ, it had been forged for the man-god by the folk of Garm, greatest artificers of the factory worlds of the sector. they had taken the fact that russ himself had laid it in the shrine as a pledge of friendship with his people, and they had protected it ever since - with help from the Wolves of Space, of course.

3. 'It is an industrial world,' he said eventually. 'Part forge, part hive. Dark clouds of pollutants fill the skies. Steel citadels cover the surface. Each is ruled by an industrial order, sworn to serve its own master. Each master is sworn to serve the governer, and the governer is sworn to serve the Imperium.
'The members of the orders represent only a small fraction of the population. Each owns its own factories and foundries and thr services of the clans who work there like thralls. Every man, woman and child has a Lord.'

4. Several of them wore two greatcoats, and had their hands muffled in great furry gloves. All of them wore filter masks over their faces to protect against the heavily polluted air.
One of the men was an officer. he wore a high fur hat with earflaps to cover his face, and epaulettes of rank showed on the shoulders of his tattered coat. A cloak of thick fur was draped on one shoulder

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Kanluwen wrote:

PresidentOfAsia wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

PresidentOfAsia wrote:I've always had an interest in the Fenris world but I'm not ready to buy a Space Wolves Army

Would a Guard Army on Fenris make sense?

None, whatsoever. The population of Fenris is purposely kept isolated from the rest of the Imperium.

or what fluff could I make up to justify the IG being on Fenris (after all their main battle tank is named after the Primarch)

Again: none, whatsoever. If you want a world that raises Guard regiments and has close ties to the Space Wolves: you want the planet of Garm. There was a Space Wolf relic there, supposedly a spear belonging to one of Leman Russ' personal lieutenants. They had very close ties, and as far as I know they still do.

interesting, tell me more about Garm, I can't seem to find much on the Warhammer 40k wiki

So Garm has a guard regiment?

Thats kind of weird b/c its supposedly sacred ground and yet is still guarded by IG

Garm is less "sacred ground" and simply a "place where something important to the Wolves happened. It's a world that the Space Wolves liberated. Since then, there's been kind of a 'pact' between the two. Garm maintains the Spear for the Wolves, the Wolves come to Garm's defense if any foe they can't readily handle comes along.

So could I use Fenrisian symbols and color schemes?

Probably, sure. You'll want to find William King's "Space Wolves" books for more info. While many of the other stuff within isn't really 'accurate' in terms of the canon we have now, it's still a reasonable snapshot of the Space Wolves themselves.


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Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Like others have said the possibility of having an IG regiment raised from Fenris is impossible. In fact the Space Wolves let very few people even come to Fenris.

But Space Wolves do use thralls, Fenrisian men who crew Space Wolf ships and fight for the Space Wolves. You could work something around that like while the company was planet side fighting alongside the IG the ship took too much damage and the crew was forced to abandon ship (ships can have crews hundreds to thousands strong). When they reached planetside they met up with the IG and fought alongside them or something like that.

Ehhh. Not entirely true. Many Chapters use Thralls who have no actual ties to the homeworld, so there's no 'mixed loyalties' where the Thralls decide they're being screwed over by the Marines.

Wrong.

SW omnibus page 556 3rd paragraph wrote:
The folk of the Fist of Russ were free men, proud to serve the Chapter, permitted to come and go as they pleased. The looked on Ragnar with awe but not fear. They did not expect the lash for the slightest infringement of discipline, real or imagined. They were an elite among spacefarers and knew it. All of them showed the mark of Fenris. They were tall men, mostly blond, rangy and fierce looking. They wore grey tunics that bore the sign of the wolf, and went armed and ready to do battle, if need be, in defence of their ship. The moved with a purposeful stride, certain of what they where doing

I repeat, the SW use thralls from Fenris as crews for their ships.

The folk of the Fist of Russ were free men, proud to serve the Chapter, permitted to come and go as they pleased. The looked on Ragnar with awe but not fear. They did not expect the lash for the slightest infringement of discipline, real or imagined. They were an elite among spacefarers and knew it. All of them showed the mark of Fenris. They were tall men, mostly blond, rangy and fierce looking. They wore grey tunics that bore the sign of the wolf, and went armed and ready to do battle, if need be, in defence of their ship. The moved with a purposeful stride, certain of what they where doing

I repeat, the SW use thralls from Fenris as crews for their ships.

The "mark of Fenris" could mean damned well anything in this context.
-It could mean that these men have spent time living on Fenris.
-It could mean that these men have, exactly as it says in the quote, some kind of literal 'mark of Fenris'. Oh I don't know, maybe some kind of...sign. Maybe a "sign of the wolf"?

It doesn't say in one specific term that "every single member of the Wolves' Thrall contingent actually comes from Fenris".

I seem to recall the same. Those that serve on Space Wolf ships are from Fenris, or come from Fenrisian families. I'll see if I can look up a more exact quote for you.

There's no real way they could have 'come from Fenrisian families'. There's mention within the Space Wolf books, however, of noble Terran families that have "ancient pacts with the Wolves, wherein they provide crews and Navigator Astropaths to the Wolves and the Wolves in turn send bodyguards to the families for an amount of time".

The people of Fenris have no real contact with the Space Wolves. Any contact is indirect, and most of it is done when the Wolves are taking a member of the Tribes for recruitment.

so just to make sure before I buy the paints and transfers:

Garm has Imperial Guard regiments right?

I can use Space Wolves/Fenris colour schemes and symbols and icons on my Guardsmen then right?

PresidentOfAsia wrote:so just to make sure before I buy the paints and transfers:

Garm has Imperial Guard regiments right?

I can use Space Wolves/Fenris colour schemes and symbols and icons on my Guardsmen then right?

You could do that anyways, without them having to really have any ties to the Space Wolves y'know.

They could be from an arctic world and dubbed 'Wolves' because of their tendency to have roaming 'packs' of Sentinels that work together to bring down enemy armoured vehicles, etc.

Kanluwen wrote:

PresidentOfAsia wrote:so just to make sure before I buy the paints and transfers:

Garm has Imperial Guard regiments right?

I can use Space Wolves/Fenris colour schemes and symbols and icons on my Guardsmen then right?

You could do that anyways, without them having to really have any ties to the Space Wolves y'know.

They could be from an arctic world and dubbed 'Wolves' because of their tendency to have roaming 'packs' of Sentinels that work together to bring down enemy armoured vehicles, etc.

The thing is that I have a lot of interest in the Space Wolve's fluff and world

Kanluwen wrote:

The folk of the Fist of Russ were free men, proud to serve the Chapter, permitted to come and go as they pleased. The looked on Ragnar with awe but not fear. They did not expect the lash for the slightest infringement of discipline, real or imagined. They were an elite among spacefarers and knew it. All of them showed the mark of Fenris. They were tall men, mostly blond, rangy and fierce looking. They wore grey tunics that bore the sign of the wolf, and went armed and ready to do battle, if need be, in defence of their ship. The moved with a purposeful stride, certain of what they where doing

I repeat, the SW use thralls from Fenris as crews for their ships.

The "mark of Fenris" could mean damned well anything in this context.
-It could mean that these men have spent time living on Fenris.

Hmm could have but dosen't, the Space Wolves are well known for letting VERY few outsiders come to Fenris let alone live there. Nice try though.

-It could mean that these men have, exactly as it says in the quote, some kind of literal 'mark of Fenris'. Oh I don't know, maybe some kind of...sign. Maybe a "sign of the wolf"?

Oh so the author says "they bore the mark of Fenris" meaning they had the mark of the wolf and then repeats himself a few sentences later and says the same thing, yeah makes great sense

It doesn't say in one specific term that "every single member of the Wolves' Thrall contingent actually comes from Fenris".

And to someone like you who would have to have something litterally shoved in his face to admit he's wrong nothing that would ever be put would prove it. But since the author says that "they bore the mark of Fenris" and then goes on to describe their physical attributes which happen to match what you would expect from a Fenrisian before even getting to iconography those of us who read things as their ment to be read are going to keep on knowing that the Thralls who crew the Space Wolf ships are from Fenris.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

The folk of the Fist of Russ were free men, proud to serve the Chapter, permitted to come and go as they pleased. The looked on Ragnar with awe but not fear. They did not expect the lash for the slightest infringement of discipline, real or imagined. They were an elite among spacefarers and knew it. All of them showed the mark of Fenris. They were tall men, mostly blond, rangy and fierce looking. They wore grey tunics that bore the sign of the wolf, and went armed and ready to do battle, if need be, in defence of their ship. The moved with a purposeful stride, certain of what they where doing

I repeat, the SW use thralls from Fenris as crews for their ships.

The "mark of Fenris" could mean damned well anything in this context.
-It could mean that these men have spent time living on Fenris.

Hmm could have but doesn't, the Space Wolves are well known for letting VERY few outsiders come to Fenris let alone live there. Nice try though.

You do realize, of course, that even the bloody Space Wolves don't really "come to Fenris", right?

They live in an area of Fenris where they are completely and utterly isolated from the general population, specifically because they want the population to be untainted by interaction with the Imperium.

However that area of Fenris where the Wolves live? It's where they, their Thralls, and Imperial functionaries visiting the Wolves are contained.

-It could mean that these men have, exactly as it says in the quote, some kind of literal 'mark of Fenris'. Oh I don't know, maybe some kind of...sign. Maybe a "sign of the wolf"?

Oh so the author says "they bore the mark of Fenris" meaning they had the mark of the wolf and then repeats himself a few sentences later and says the same thing, yeah makes great sense

Have you read Bill King's stuff? He's not exactly the best author out there and he does quite a bit of repetition if you've actually y'know...read his books.
More to the topic though:
I have yet to come across any kind of literature where somebody says "the mark of X" to talk about how someone appears or the region they've come from. They didn't even do that in flowery, Shakespearean literature that I've read.

It doesn't say in one specific term that "every single member of the Wolves' Thrall contingent actually comes from Fenris".

And to someone like you who would have to have something litterally shoved in his face to admit he's wrong nothing that would ever be put would prove it.

And to someone like you who takes a single statement, which is put forward in no real actual context, and not only that but also comes from a timeframe when there was no real definition of the background for situations like this.

But since the author says that "they bore the mark of Fenris" and then goes on to describe their physical attributes which happen to match what you would expect from a Fenrisian

You know what's funny?
Fenrisians are actually described as primarily dark haired.
So yeah...sorry, that actually goes completely against "what you would expect from a Fenrisian".

before even getting to iconography those of us who read things as their meant to be read are going to keep on knowing that the Thralls who crew the Space Wolf ships are from Fenris.

...And?

Of course the Thralls of the Space Wolves wear a wolf's head emblazoned on their tunics.

It still doesn't change what I said: "the mark of Fenris" could mean damned near anything, and it really doesn't seem to apply to the context of their physical appearance since it's not even the right description.

Kanluwen wrote:There's no real way they could have 'come from Fenrisian families'. There's mention within the Space Wolf books, however, of noble Terran families that have "ancient pacts with the Wolves, wherein they provide crews and Navigator Astropaths to the Wolves and the Wolves in turn send bodyguards to the families for an amount of time".

Wrong again, this seems to be a habit of yours. House Belisarius only provides Navigators not crews.

Space Wolves omnibus page 545 paragraph 3 wrote:
Navigators,' he muttered, the knowledge rising from deep within the caverns of his subconscious. He felt a brif sense of wonder. He knew that a small clan of Navigators from House Belisarius had a sanctuary within the Fang. There was an ancient friendship between the House and the Chapter, and it was a right granted to them by Leman Russ himself, in the ancient days before the Empire. The family had the exclusive right to guide the starships of the Space Wolveso fleet through the immaterium. In return, it could call upon the services of the Chapter when it required them.

Funny, I see no mentioning of House Belisarius providing crews, at all. And if they did that means that the Belisarius crews would be used used to the Space Wolves like the above mention Fenrisian thralls and yet

Second Space Wolves omnibus page 45 wrote:
Ragnar strode through the Herald of Belisarius beside Gabriella Belisarius. Sailors and retainers greeted her formally and respectfully. Many of them flinched when they saw the massive Space Wolf standing at her shoulder. He could tell from their scents that he made some uneasy and others downright afraid.6/quote]

The people of Fenris have no real contact with the Space Wolves. Any contact is indirect, and most of it is done when the Wolves are taking a member of the Tribes for recruitment.

Man I'm getting tired of correcting you.

Space Wolf Omnibus page 31 wrote:
'State your buisness, strangers, or prepare to die!o The islander'svoice was harsh and guttural and there was menace in every word. It was amplified by the metal bullhorn he held in his hand that made it sound even flatter

Skip the description of the surrounding buildings

Space Wolf omnibus page 32 1st paragraph wrote:
Before Ragnar's father could reply, the sorcerer bounded up onto the prow and extended an arm in greeting. 'Tis I, Ranek Icewalker. They have brought me here at my request. I would have speech with the Ironmaster
This announcement set off a flurry of activity on the decks of the metal ship. Several figures huddled together in consultation before the speaker raised his bullhorn again. 'Word is that Ranek is dead. Are you some sea-ghost risen from the waters?'
This question sent a shiver of horror across the decks of the Spear of Russ. Ragnar could hear men move uneasily on their oarbenches. The sorcerer's great booming laugh roared out over the water. 'Do I look like a ghost? Do I sound like a ghost? Will my boot feel like that of a ghost when I kick your arse for your impudence?'
There was answering laughter from the deck of the other ship. 'Then come ashore, Wolf Priest, and be welcome here. Bring your companions and we will feast.

And now a description of Fenrisians who obviously come into contact with Space Wolves often.

Space Wolf omnibus page 32 paragraph 7 wrote:
The people were strange and new to him and talked in a dialect he did not understand. Many seemed small and hunched and undernourished. They were clad in tunics and britches of drab grey and brown and they carried no weapons. They collected scraps in the streets and hurried along bearing burdens and performing errands. Even here, on these islands rich with metal, there was poverty.
The rulers of the island were fewer and richer. all of them were garbed in metal armor and all of them carried blades of steel in scabbards of dragonhide leather. They were tall men, well-made, with dark skin and brown eyes.

So let's see we know they're on Fenris since it's the setting of the entire first book, we know that they're Fenrisians since off worlders woulden't wear those types of clothing, and we know they have regular contact with Space Wolves because 1 they know one is missing and 2 they aren't surprised to see one.

And just to reinforce how very few offworlders are let on to Fenris in case you try that weak argument that nothing says they're from Fenris again.

Space Wolf Omnibus page 285 2nd paragraph wrote:
Few strangers were ever welcomed to the home of the Wolves and few indeed were greeted with such ceremony

So let's see this is 1,2,3 no 4 times where something you've said has been contradicted by fluff. And your counter arguments have been "well this could be what was ment". I think you have no clue what you're talking about and since I can provide actual quotes instead of speculation I'm going to ignore you since you aren't even worth arguing with anymore. It's to easy.

@OP: I suggest not listening to him, he can't get his facts straight and tries to word weasle his way around when direct quotes showing he's wrong are presented.

Kanluwen wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

The folk of the Fist of Russ were free men, proud to serve the Chapter, permitted to come and go as they pleased. The looked on Ragnar with awe but not fear. They did not expect the lash for the slightest infringement of discipline, real or imagined. They were an elite among spacefarers and knew it. All of them showed the mark of Fenris. They were tall men, mostly blond, rangy and fierce looking. They wore grey tunics that bore the sign of the wolf, and went armed and ready to do battle, if need be, in defence of their ship. The moved with a purposeful stride, certain of what they where doing

I repeat, the SW use thralls from Fenris as crews for their ships.

The "mark of Fenris" could mean damned well anything in this context.
-It could mean that these men have spent time living on Fenris.

Hmm could have but doesn't, the Space Wolves are well known for letting VERY few outsiders come to Fenris let alone live there. Nice try though.

You do realize, of course, that even the bloody Space Wolves don't really "come to Fenris", right?

Oh really? so the Space Wolves don't go to thier homeworld? wow I never knew that. But wait, if the Space Wolves don't go to Fenris (their homeworld) how is it that the Thralls of who serve on the ships "could have lived there" as you said? I mean dang they let everyone else go to their planet but they don't go themselves. That must suck......ok now to be serious. That was quiet litterally the dumbest statement I have ever read. "the bloody Space Wolves don't come to Fenris". Hmmm well considering that Fenris is the Space Wolves home planet and that they originate from there yes they do. Now if you ment to say "the Space Wolves don't mingle with the isolated tribes" then that's a whole differant storyconsidering the tribes live on Fenris and so even if they do;ot go to the tribes they still go to the planet Fenris. Which also happens to be the planet where they don't allow very many people to come let alone live. Imagine that

They live in an area of Fenris where they are completely and utterly isolated from the general population, specifically because they want the population to be untainted by interaction with the Imperium.

Us who know about fluff call it Asaheim

However that area of Fenris where the Wolves live? It's where they, their Thralls, and Imperial functionaries visiting the Wolves are contained.

Aaaaaand where does it say that they just let entire crews worth of off worlders come and live anywhere on fenris (remember the planet)

-It could mean that these men have, exactly as it says in the quote, some kind of literal 'mark of Fenris'. Oh I don't know, maybe some kind of...sign. Maybe a "sign of the wolf"?

Oh so the author says "they bore the mark of Fenris" meaning they had the mark of the wolf and then repeats himself a few sentences later and says the same thing, yeah makes great sense

Have you read Bill King's stuff? He's not exactly the best author out there and he does quite a bit of repetition if you've actually y'know...read his books.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:There's no real way they could have 'come from Fenrisian families'. There's mention within the Space Wolf books, however, of noble Terran families that have "ancient pacts with the Wolves, wherein they provide crews and Navigator Astropaths to the Wolves and the Wolves in turn send bodyguards to the families for an amount of time".

Wrong again, this seems to be a habit of yours. House Belisarius only provides Navigators not crews.

Hahahaha. Oh how adorable. You expect to be taken seriously when "citing sources" and you can't even spell the quoted material right?

It's adorable that you're calling me wrong in that regard.

Space Wolves omnibus page 545 paragraph 3 wrote:
Navigators,' he muttered, the knowledge rising from deep within the caverns of his subconscious. He felt a brif sense of wonder. He knew that a small clan of Navigators from House Belisarius had a sanctuary within the Fang. There was an ancient friendship between the House and the Chapter, and it was a right granted to them by Leman Russ himself, in the ancient days before the Empire. The family had the exclusive right to guide the starships of the Space Wolveso fleet through the immaterium. In return, it could call upon the services of the Chapter when it required them.

Funny, I see no mentioning of House Belisarius providing crews, at all. And if they did that means that the Belisarius crews would be used used to the Space Wolves like the above mention Fenrisian thralls and yet

Funny, I see no mention specifically stating that they don't provide crews. Since we're just making crap up and inferring from vague statements in a book that's over a decade old and which has been overwritten by the Codex and the more recent "Prospero Burns".

Second Space Wolves omnibus page 45 wrote:
Ragnar strode through the Herald of Belisarius beside Gabriella Belisarius. Sailors and retainers greeted her formally and respectfully. Many of them flinched when they saw the massive Space Wolf standing at her shoulder. He could tell from their scents that he made some uneasy and others downright afraid.6/quote]

The people of Fenris have no real contact with the Space Wolves. Any contact is indirect, and most of it is done when the Wolves are taking a member of the Tribes for recruitment.

Man I'm getting tired of correcting you.

Man, I'm getting tired of you being wrong.

You know Asaheim? As in "where the Space Wolves maintain their training areas and are based"?

Yeah. There is no way for the tribesmen of Fenris to come into contact with the Space Wolves there.

To quote:

Space Wolves Codex, page 7 wrote:The Space Wolves maintain a careful watch over their tribal brethren, but never appear openly amongst the warrior clans. To uninitiated Fenrisians the Space Wolves are known only as the Sky Warriors, glimpsed only occasionally from afar, possessing powers magical and holy."

Codex trumps crappy novel. Sorry pal.

Space Wolf Omnibus page 31 wrote:
'State your business, strangers, or prepare to die!o The islander's voice was harsh and guttural and there was menace in every word. It was amplified by the metal bullhorn he held in his hand that made it sound even flatter

Skip the description of the surrounding buildings

What does that have to do with anything regarding the Space Wolves?
We know that there's different islands. Nobody's debating that.
We know that there's at least one group that has ties to the Thralls that work with the Techmarines and seemingly provide the tribes with finely crafted weapons that were of terrible quality if the Space Wolves were to use them.

Space Wolf omnibus page 32 1st paragraph wrote:
Before Ragnar's father could reply, the sorcerer bounded up onto the prow and extended an arm in greeting. 'Tis I, Ranek Icewalker. They have brought me here at my request. I would have speech with the Ironmaster
This announcement set off a flurry of activity on the decks of the metal ship. Several figures huddled together in consultation before the speaker raised his bullhorn again. 'Word is that Ranek is dead. Are you some sea-ghost risen from the waters?'
This question sent a shiver of horror across the decks of the Spear of Russ. Ragnar could hear men move uneasily on their oarbenches. The sorcerer's great booming laugh roared out over the water. 'Do I look like a ghost? Do I sound like a ghost? Will my boot feel like that of a ghost when I kick your arse for your impudence?'
There was answering laughter from the deck of the other ship. 'Then come ashore, Wolf Priest, and be welcome here. Bring your companions and we will feast.

Yeahh...that actually doesn't seem like "they come into contact with Space Wolves often" there. Setting off a flurry of activity on the decks of the challenging ship, a "shiver of horror" across the decks of Ragnar's ship?

Oh yeah. That's obviously "repeated contact with Space Wolves".

And now a description of Fenrisians who obviously come into contact with Space Wolves often.

Space Wolf omnibus page 32 paragraph 7 wrote:
The people were strange and new to him and talked in a dialect he did not understand. Many seemed small and hunched and undernourished. They were clad in tunics and britches of drab grey and brown and they carried no weapons. They collected scraps in the streets and hurried along bearing burdens and performing errands. Even here, on these islands rich with metal, there was poverty.
The rulers of the island were fewer and richer. all of them were garbed in metal armor and all of them carried blades of steel in scabbards of dragonhide leather. They were tall men, well-made, with dark skin and brown eyes.

So let's see we know they're on Fenris since it's the setting of the entire first book, we know that they're Fenrisians since off worlders wouldn't wear those types of clothing, and we know they have regular contact with Space Wolves because 1 they know one is missing and 2 they aren't surprised to see one.

Sorry, where did I actually say that the offworlders live amongst the people of Fenris?

Point me towards that quote. I'd love to see it, because I clearly didn't state it.

And just to reinforce how very few offworlders are let on to Fenris in case you try that weak argument that nothing says they're from Fenris again.

Space Wolf Omnibus page 285 2nd paragraph wrote:
Few strangers were ever welcomed to the home of the Wolves and few indeed were greeted with such ceremony

So let's see this is 1,2,3 no 4 times where something you've said has been contradicted by fluff. And your counter arguments have been "well this could be what was ment". I think you have no clue what you're talking about and since I can provide actual quotes instead of speculation I'm going to ignore you since you aren't even worth arguing with anymore. It's to easy.

So where's the overwhelming slew of blond guys again? Or any kind of real proof of anything besides reinforcing what I've already said? Because it's not exactly looking good for your case at this point.

@OP: I suggest not listening to him, he can't get his facts straight and tries to word weasle his way around when direct quotes showing he's wrong are presented.

And I'd suggest not listening to this guy because he can't even correctly spell passages from a book he's clearly got sitting in front of him.

It's "weasel" by the way. And you've yet to actually provide direct quotes "showing he's wrong". You've provided plenty of quotes, but none have really supported your assertions.

So far, all you've done is:
--Provide a series of quotes that evidence my statement of "The Space Wolves don't regularly interact with the Tribesmen of Fenris". If you've actually read the book, you'd remember that the islanders(the ones who come into contact the most with the Space Wolves) aren't considered to be genuine Fenrisians by either the Tribe or the Space Wolves. The islands are, principally, populated by failed aspirants.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Wrong.

SW omnibus page 556 3rd paragraph wrote:
The folk of the Fist of Russ were free men, proud to serve the Chapter, permitted to come and go as they pleased. The looked on Ragnar with awe but not fear. They did not expect the lash for the slightest infringement of discipline, real or imagined. They were an elite among spacefarers and knew it. All of them showed the mark of Fenris. They were tall men, mostly blond, rangy and fierce looking. They wore grey tunics that bore the sign of the wolf, and went armed and ready to do battle, if need be, in defence of their ship. The moved with a purposeful stride, certain of what they where doing

I repeat, the SW use thralls from Fenris as crews for their ships.

The quote you gave does not back up your point, there is no mention of them being locals:
1. 'All of them showed the mark of Fenris' - this could mean anything, it was common among servants of mainy historical entities to have a brand or 'mark' to show allegence.
2. 'permitted to come and go as they pleased' - go where, the population of Fenris have no interaction or knowledge of what lies out in space, so having space travellers return to villages it would kind of let the cat out of the bag. It is more sensible that these crew men have ships and can come and go as they please by ship, in space.
3. 'mostly blond' - fenrisians have brown hair mostly

It's possible they use failed apirants as well as men recruited from the worlds they protect, either way they are likely the same level as SM scouts in equipment and training.