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Okay...still laughing at this one, going to give some background and short on battle reports, but the last battle was priceless. We had a few people up at the LGS and we all get along great. We help each other and have a great time. Well with the new GK codex coming out everyone was trying new things out against older codex armies. We got on the subject of having to buy a new army if we wanted too, and some of us are a little tight right now to be shelling out 300.00 plus on new model. Someone got the idea of running a tourny the next day, have entry fee of 25.00 and winner takes it all as in-store credit. The store owner is a really nice guy and likes us 40k gamers compared to the card gamers, so he agreed to let us run it and stated he would even give us 25 percent off for that credit to use with pre-orders. So we got some quick rules going since it was short notice....tourny would be single-elimination, all battles are KP/Pitched Battle, and 2500 points.

So the next day we all show up, and as soon as I walk into the store my good mood changed....TFG was there. You know the one, he hasn't played a friendly game since birth. He argues every rule, he tells the new players bs rules so he wins, half his models are home-made for modelling advantage, and he tries to cheat CONSTANTLY. He is the bane of the games at the store. Most times he doesn't come in, except for tournies so he can spoil the good times, or he comes in to lend us his extension knowledge of the game even tho he still quote rules from 3rd and 4th edition (took me 15mins to explain to him that there is no longer a "Last Man Standing" rule). So we all sign up and there are 8 of us...great 3 rounds. So we all draw straws to pair up.

Now everyone is expecting me to be pulling out IG Chimera/Manticore/Vendetta Spam, I have been winning and playing them a lot. Everyone's jaw hits the floor when I pull out a friend's Tyranids. So my list is as follows.

HQ
Prime w/ Lashwhip and Bonesword, Rending Claws

Elite
3x 3 Zoans +Pods

Troops
6x 11 Genestealers w/ talons and glands +Broodlord w/ talons and implant attack


So game 1.....I draw Ryan. Ryan is new player, not very good with tactics yet. He was playing Necrons.

His List

Deceiver
Lord w/ Res Orb
4x 10 Warriors
3x 5 Destroyers
3x 3 Hvy Destroyers

The game lasted til 4th turn with me phasing him out. He really needed a Monolith or 3 in the game and the Lord needed more then just sitting in the middle of a destroyer horde. Highlight of the game was the Deceiver being instant death by a Broodlord...I tried to tell him not to attack but he said that he figured it was worth the risk to kill off a unit....boy was he wrong.

The mood was one of great fun, but really got spoiled by hearing TFG tell someone "You used a fire point out of your Chimera so that makes it open-topped since you have to pop out the top to shoot!". Ya.....even with us putting a stop to that and watching him like a hawk he still managed to win by 2 KPs.

Game 2 was against a really good friend of mine.....Dan. I not really sure all the upgrades in his list but he was playing Nids as well but MC List

5 Tervigons
3 Termagaunts
3 Venomthropes
3 Harpies
3 Fexes /w Rupture Cannon

The game was interesting with all the gaunts having FNP. He spent a lot of time just trying to pump out more gaunts and hide his Tervigons from my Broodlords. It ended up with me taking the win by 3 KP.

Most people were keeping an eye on TFG, he was still trying to pull fast ones, he might have gotten a few in there but we kept a close eye on him. Turn 5 ended and everyone prayed for a 1 or 2 to end the game as his opponent had him by 1KP, but alas, it was a five and he ended up winning in the 6th by 1. So its going to be me and him in the final round, and I really want to stick it to him, but his list is Razorback spam SW, with 3 rune priest and Bjorn. We take a break to smoke and grab a soda, and I notice him talking to Ryan and Dan...interested I start walking over to join the conversion. He quickly walks away as I approach and I ask them what he had said. They both claimed he was asking about how I set up my deployment. In both previous games I deployed my Prime out of sight and infiltrated my genestealers as close to my major targets as possible, using one unit in front as cover and 2 units behind for the second turn charge. Dan told him to be careful about keeping all his guys in vehicles since I like surrounding transport and killing the embarked units as they cannot disembark. So I am now really wondering what he is planning.

We go to the final match, and TFG just starts talking trash to me. "I going to own your army....I'm so great, I cannot believe you thought nids could win....". Just really showing himself as a poor sportsman and frankly a big loser. We roll off, he wins and chooses me to go first. I deploy my prime in the corner as usual, and declare my stealers infiltrating and my zoans in the spores deep striking. Now he is sweating and asking all types of questions like "So if he surrounds my transports and blows them up, the units inside are destroyed too?? So is that one KP or two??". I can really tell that he is not liking my plan to do that just that. He starts putting out razorbacks and pulling them back off. He spent like 10mins trying to decide the best way to deploy, but couldn't find a way to castle up that he liked....finally one of the judges tells him he has 5 mins to deploy or where he placed the models is where they will stay....near the 4 min mark he quickly takes everything off and declares that he is reserving everything...."If I reserve everything your plan fails....". I tell him that it wouldn't be a good idea but he tells me to go do something I cannot mention here. So I say okay.....I infiltrate all my genestealers across the front of his board edge and said "good game!".

I thought he was going to have a cow. He must have broken at least 4-5 of his razorbacks as he threw them into his bag and left. Everyone held their laughter until he was gone then all at once we were all rolling on the floor. Dan was calling me a genius, and even the store owner started a round applause for me making the guy look bad. Since I wasn't planning on playing GK, I bought all those that played in the tourny a GK codex and myself an Assault Termies Box (needing Hvy Flamer Arms and CMLs). All in All this point is the highlight of my playing 40k. Everyone's money got them something they wanted, and I used TFG's money to get me more termy arms.

As much as I LOVE getting over on TFGs, he *could* have tank-shocked his razorbacks onto the table. That being said, his lack of knowledge on the current rules and the fact that he was trying to cheat other players make think he deserved the auto-loss after all. Good show.

Last game reminds me of this classic tourney pic.

Guess who has the white scars in reserve, and who has the kroot on the WS deployment table edge?

As much as its nice to see people who cheat made to look like idiots that wouldn't have actually been the end of the game. Anything in transports (which sounds like most of his army given it was Razorspam) would have been able to tank shock on to the board rather than instantly die as soon as they successfully make their reserve roll. Admittedly he would still be in a terrible situation (as he probably wouldn't be able to disembark given the numbers of guys you have, even after a tank shock you could still block most of the hatches) with his vehicles surrounded by Genestealers and rather limited options for dealing with them, but he at least would be able to make a game of it by coming in in one corner. This would force the rest of your army to shift over to him and leave holes to bring more stuff on at the other end of the line.

Ya the tank shock thing is very true....but I wasn't going to help him out. Think mostly he was mad that he did my job for me, anything coming on the board was going to get crushed. I was in the middle of deploying them when he quit and walked out. It was going to take 2 units to cover the edge and think my plan was 2 inches apart, then like 3 inches back and repeat. So was like 13 inches deep. He took minimum number of grey hunters and wolf guard too...all with melta guns, so wasn't too worried about his deploy shooting from 12 razorbacks w/ TLLasC. Ya that kroot one was awesome, I admit it really is an cheap move, I have only done it one other time (1500 tourny DoW deployment with max orks vs daemons....the poor guy had no place to drop after turn 2), but it was what gave me the idea.

I assume that this was just a slip of language as well, but the only time you kill all the passengers if you surround a transport is if it suffers a Destroyed results - an explosion would still enable you to place the models in the crater that results.

That being said, it is interesting that he did not know he could Tank Shock on. Generally speaking it seems like a poor idea to reserve an entire army against an opponent that is assault oriented. Even if you did infiltrate close, Turn 1 (assuming he did not steal) would have required a 6 on your run roll (as well as any terrain tests) to get into assault with his vehicles. After which it is likely the exposed models would have been fried.

The Chimera rule (open topped one) did used to exist in 4th edition so I cannot fault him too much for that. If you were not in Power Armor you counted as opened topped when firing out the top hatch (or something along those lines).

Dude, you're a damn hero. I salute you!

DaOrkz1977 wrote:So the next day we all show up, and as soon as I walk into the store my good mood changed....TFG was there. You know the one, he hasn't played a friendly game since birth. He argues every rule, he tells the new players bs rules so he wins, half his models are home-made for modelling advantage, and he tries to cheat CONSTANTLY. He is the bane of the games at the store. Most times he doesn't come in, except for tournies so he can spoil the good times, or he comes in to lend us his extension knowledge of the game even tho he still quote rules from 3rd and 4th edition (took me 15mins to explain to him that there is no longer a "Last Man Standing" rule).

DaOrkz1977 wrote:The mood was one of great fun, but really got spoiled by hearing TFG tell someone "You used a fire point out of your Chimera so that makes it open-topped since you have to pop out the top to shoot!". Ya.....even with us putting a stop to that and watching him like a hawk he still managed to win by 2 KPs.

So its going to be me and him in the final round, and I really want to stick it to him, but his list is Razorback spam SW, with 3 rune priest and Bjorn.

This made my day. I hate people like that and it serves him right that his arrogance and ignorance lost him that game, hahaha. Nicely done! Nids for the win!

that is so awesome!!!! i have got to try that someday, but to beat nids not win with them lol

Well if he had tried to tankshoch his vehicle would have been destroyed because it would not have been able to fully get onto the board

Yep. Tank Shocking from off the board doesn't work to clear units that are standing on the line, since you have to stop to resolve the shock with part of your model still off the table and are thus automatically destroyed. Great job, OP.

Keep in mind that the thing about Chimerae becoming open-topped if you use their top hatch to attack was, at one point, an actual rule, so that's probably one of those "3rd/4th ed confusions" and not necessarily an actual cheat.

Hahaha you legend! Good to see the generosity come out shining too!

Not being funny though, but if a guy was being mouthy with me and swearing at me in the store, I think I might've gone to see him outside and pimp slap the nerd.

mezorgon1234 wrote:that is so awesome!!!! i have got to try that someday, but to beat nids not win with them lol

MUWAHAHAHA you'll beat me someday hayden, maybe when i take 9 pyrovores. :3

TFG meaning? Im on a phone so I can't see what it means. Good games though and the last one made me laugh so hard.

Such a dick move, but hilarious. Sounds like he deserved it, anyway.

It means "That F'in Guy", Inquisitor. As in "oh jeez, here comes That F'in Guy with the razorspam again. Great".

Incredibly risky on your part. Someone tried this against me & I just tank shocked through them, since they weren't in cover my marines got out & rapid fired them all into oblivion.

You got lucky he didn't know the rules as much as he thought, or you could have been the one shooting yourself in the foot.

I lol'd.... that battle rep was amusing. Great job!

Lol... how the hell did he arrive to the final if he isn't even able to handle infiltrating genestealers???... just a question... in this situation you can't tank shock to enter the table???

edit... uh yes you can!!!

punkow wrote:Lol... how the hell did he arrive to the final if he isn't even able to handle infiltrating genestealers???... just a question... in this situation you can't tank shock to enter the table???

You can

How can you? I thought the vehicle has to stop when it makes contact with a unit, I may be mistaken though.

The vehicle does not stop unless stunned or immobilized by a successful DoG attack. You need to pause for a moment to determine if the enemy passes their morale test, but you are not 'destroyed' by this.

How does the vehicle pause when it isn't on the table? I assume you just determine the result of the DoG and move them on.

I trust what Fetterkey says and he says this:

Fetterkey wrote:Yep. Tank Shocking from off the board doesn't work to clear units that are standing on the line, since you have to stop to resolve the shock with part of your model still off the table and are thus automatically destroyed. Great job, OP.

Keep in mind that the thing about Chimerae becoming open-topped if you use their top hatch to attack was, at one point, an actual rule, so that's probably one of those "3rd/4th ed confusions" and not necessarily an actual cheat.

Nice report OP, nice list and very generous of you to buy those players goodies too! Great work winning the tournament and of course beating TFG. Congrats!

I tend to agree with that as well.

The FAQ states:

Q: Can a vehicle that is moving on from reserves perform
a tank shock? (p68)
A: Yes it can, declare the distance it is going to move
along with its direction and move the tank onto the board
that many inches, measuring from the board edge as for a
normal from reserve. The tank shock is performed as
usual. However, if the tank is forced to stop for any reason
before the entire vehicle is on the board then the vehicle,
and any embarked units, count as destroyed and are
removed from play.

It is arguable because the FAQ was written so poorly. Some people feel resolving a tank shock or ram fits the 'stop for any reason' requirement. Others take 'forced to stop for any reason' to refer to the references in tank shock/ramming rules where it literally says the vehicle stops (friendly models, impassible terrain, etc).

I am sure there's thread(s) on this in YMDC though.

Shas'O Dorian wrote:Incredibly risky on your part. Someone tried this against me & I just tank shocked through them, since they weren't in cover my marines got out & rapid fired them all into oblivion.

You got lucky he didn't know the rules as much as he thought, or you could have been the one shooting yourself in the foot.

It appears that perhaps it is you that doesn't know the rules. You, sir, cheated (probably unknowingly.)
You CANNOT tank shock units from the edge of the board. Read the rules on a tank shock - you have to stop moving to resolve the shock when you reach the enemy unit. In doing so, you are partially off the board, and thusly destroyed.

This is a cheesy, but very effective tactic. (In this case, well used.)

DaOrkz1977 wrote:
"You used a fire point out of your Chimera so that makes it open-topped since you have to pop out the top to shoot!".

Bwahahahahahaha! Sound like a 5 year old playing Army Men. Reading this I was half expatiating you to say he said something like "Bang Bang! NO! I got you first!" or "No You!"

You don't actually stop when you are resolving the tank shock on the unit, you just have to pause the game and take the tank shock test, and then do any death or glory hits, the vehicle doesn't stop and then go again for tank shocks it just goes the full distance unless stunned or immobilized by a death or glory.


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I refuse to accept that you can auto win like that against a mech army. the white scars picture is totally possible tho and that's what makes it so funny.