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I just read the necron codex.

The fluff starts of with the c'tan being emincly powerfull star gods blah blah blah. then when the necrontryer summon them they have to be clad in necrodermis.

hang on wern't they already in our universr when they ate all those stars? why do they need it? if they wern't from our universe how'd they eat those stars? and if they arn't from this universe then were are they from?

gosh man so manny questions it's doin my head in

any help wpuld be apreciated

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ctan

Since they are supposed to be Lovecraftian in nature, being alien-born star-gods of immense, inhuman power, it's possible that they are both native to Real-space and, also, summonable.

The necrodermis bodies allowed/required the C'Tan to compress their energy-body, previously able to spread over the surface of a star, into a small enough object to fit within the body built for them, so that they could then eat the bodies of living people, which they, apparently, found really groovy.

The Necrodermis bodies basically amek it easier for the C'tan to communicate and interact with their servants. By compressing their bodies and giveing them physical form, the C'tan could directly physically act, instead of just mild communication.

so how come now they don't just go into star mode and pwn everybody or would that just not be sporting?

Psienesis wrote:http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ctan

Since they are supposed to be Lovecraftian in nature, being alien-born star-gods of immense, inhuman power, it's possible that they are both native to Real-space and, also, summonable.

I think Lovecraftian is the wrong term to describe the star gods original form, as they are completely described as living beings from this galaxy (they are not summonable as they have no link to the warp at all). They were also described as not giving a about anything but delicious stars in their original form which is the exact opposite to Lovecraft's creations.

One of the issues is the psychic aspect related to the C'tan, they were worshipped by the Necrontyr but led to no weird warp things happening, this can be explained away buy the Necrontyr being similar to Tau in that they had no warp presence.

The issue arises in this line of fluff about the Night Bringer 'Powerful enough to impress its image as that of death itself on the psyche of the younger races', how has this image, imporegnated into the minds of either very psychic races or races with mild psychic levels but massive populations not led to a powerful warp entity being formed?

sora914 wrote:so how come now they don't just go into star mode and pwn everybody or would that just not be sporting?

Because
1) They've decided souls taste better than star energy.
2) If they went back to being star vampires, they wouldn't be able to interact with mortals to get souls.

BluntmanDC wrote:

Psienesis wrote:http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ctan

Since they are supposed to be Lovecraftian in nature, being alien-born star-gods of immense, inhuman power, it's possible that they are both native to Real-space and, also, summonable.

I think Lovecraftian is the wrong term to describe the star gods original form, as they are completely described as living beings from this galaxy (they are not summonable as they have no link to the warp at all). They were also described as not giving a about anything but delicious stars in their original form which is the exact opposite to Lovecraft's creations.

One of the issues is the psychic aspect related to the C'tan, they were worshipped by the Necrontyr but led to no weird warp things happening, this can be explained away buy the Necrontyr being similar to Tau in that they had no warp presence.

The issue arises in this line of fluff about the Night Bringer 'Powerful enough to impress its image as that of death itself on the psyche of the younger races', how has this image, imporegnated into the minds of either very psychic races or races with mild psychic levels but massive populations not led to a powerful warp entity being formed?

After khaine pwned the nighbringer he was imprinted across everyone but the orks. Which is why the orks have no natural fear of death. I imagine even without warp abilitie the nightbringer at full strength would have enough energy that when killed it would be dispursed throughout the near by area and every race fighting there would be "infected" by his death like psyche. Even khaine was infected with the nightbringers visage of grim death giving rise the the Dark Reaper aspect shrine. Just my theory.


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O and to answer the origional question it seems that in their energy for the C'tan cant even percieve the mortal races let alone communicate with them. They are just too vast and powerful. But focused into a necrodermius body lets them focus and communicate. The C'tan didnt give a crap about any other sentient race in the galaxy till they were given bodies.

They are bit like Ancients in the SG series. They had ascended and were basically just energy feeding of stars. But to interact with mortals they ahve to use necrodermis which is a corpeal form.

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:They are bit like Ancients in the SG series. They had ascended and were basically just energy feeding of stars. But to interact with mortals they ahve to use necrodermis which is a corpeal form.

How in any way are the C'tan comparable to the Ancients, they share no common beliefs or character aspects. The Ancients were once mortal but then accended to a higher plain of existance, the C'tan however were once energy/gas beings that then transfered into living metal bodies. How did you come to the idea that they are similar?

Laughing God wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

Psienesis wrote:http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ctan

Since they are supposed to be Lovecraftian in nature, being alien-born star-gods of immense, inhuman power, it's possible that they are both native to Real-space and, also, summonable.

I think Lovecraftian is the wrong term to describe the star gods original form, as they are completely described as living beings from this galaxy (they are not summonable as they have no link to the warp at all). They were also described as not giving a about anything but delicious stars in their original form which is the exact opposite to Lovecraft's creations.

One of the issues is the psychic aspect related to the C'tan, they were worshipped by the Necrontyr but led to no weird warp things happening, this can be explained away buy the Necrontyr being similar to Tau in that they had no warp presence.

The issue arises in this line of fluff about the Night Bringer 'Powerful enough to impress its image as that of death itself on the psyche of the younger races', how has this image, imporegnated into the minds of either very psychic races or races with mild psychic levels but massive populations not led to a powerful warp entity being formed?

After khaine pwned the nighbringer he was imprinted across everyone but the orks. Which is why the orks have no natural fear of death. I imagine even without warp abilitie the nightbringer at full strength would have enough energy that when killed it would be dispursed throughout the near by area and every race fighting there would be "infected" by his death like psyche. Even khaine was infected with the nightbringers visage of grim death giving rise the the Dark Reaper aspect shrine. Just my theory.

What i was saying was that if nearly every single living being in the galaxy (minus the orks) believed in this Night Bringer 'Grim Reaper', by the laws of the 40k universe, a very powerful warp god, nearly identical to the Night Bringer should exist.

BluntmanDC wrote:

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:They are bit like Ancients in the SG series. They had ascended and were basically just energy feeding of stars. But to interact with mortals they ahve to use necrodermis which is a corpeal form.

How in any way are the C'tan comparable to the Ancients, they share no common beliefs or character aspects. The Ancients were once mortal but then accended to a higher plain of existance, the C'tan however were once energy/gas beings that then transfered into living metal bodies. How did you come to the idea that they are similar?

I came to that conclusion becasue both lived in a state of energy effectivley and if they wanted to manipulate the physical realm they had to force themselves to take a vunerable form, for the C'tan it is necrodermis and for Ancients it is a human's body, and if these forms are destroyed the being in question can still take mortal form again.

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:They are bit like Ancients in the SG series. They had ascended and were basically just energy feeding of stars. But to interact with mortals they have to use necrodermis which is a corporeal form.

That's assuming that the C'Tan were ever an actual 'being'. That's the thing you have to remember about the Ancients.
They started life as a human-like being. We have no evidence that the C'Tan did.

For all we know, they could just be a captured energy manifestation that when given a necrodermis is turned into something slightly intelligent.

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:They are bit like Ancients in the SG series. They had ascended and were basically just energy feeding of stars. But to interact with mortals they ahve to use necrodermis which is a corpeal form.

How in any way are the C'tan comparable to the Ancients, they share no common beliefs or character aspects. The Ancients were once mortal but then accended to a higher plain of existance, the C'tan however were once energy/gas beings that then transfered into living metal bodies. How did you come to the idea that they are similar?

I came to that conclusion becasue both lived in a state of energy effectivley and if they wanted to manipulate the physical realm they had to force themselves to take a vunerable form, for the C'tan it is necrodermis and for Ancients it is a human's body, and if these forms are destroyed the being in question can still take mortal form again.

The way you describe it doesn't help your point. The C'tan in their original state were nothing more than grazing animals, they did not take 'mortal' forms to manipulate the physical realm and as already shown in fluff, the C'tan can be completely destroyed. The Ancients are a bunch of now near ommnipetant being that crossed over to a different plane of existance, the irony is that the Ancients are far closer to warp entities in 40k, if their concept was carried over.

alright thx dudes but heres another question.

If the c'tan's energy form is so powerfull then how does that put them againsed other 40k gods e.g. khorne and nurgle ect

The C'tan are, from what I've seen, incomparable to the Chaos gods and indeed any warp based entity as they cannot exist in or perceive the warp. The C'tan are pure science and material based creatures, while the Chaos entities are pure emotion and warp based ones. The two are polar opposites in nearly every-way of existence, so are very hard to compare to each-other

thx that ansewered a lot of questions