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Subject says it.....just wondering cuz i was thinking takein a squad of 3 ( 2 with auto cannons 1 with heavy flamer) and have a great conversion idea for them so yea let me know dakka

They can be great with autocannons, especially if you outflank with them, 3 2 shot autocannons coming in behind enemy armor? Yes Please.

They're infantry heavy weapons that you pay double for, for the privelage to move and shoot them, to screen stuff behind them, and to be able to outflank.

Basically, they're harassment units. They cost more for their firepower than other options, but they give you interesting things you can do with them. If you build your list and play style to take advantage of these, then they are worth it, but if you don't, they're not.

yes, with autocannons. not so sure about the flamer, as most people keep troops away from the edges. lascannons offer a stronger shot, but, the outocannon offers more shots, then the standard multilaser is even more shots.

Yes, but more shots does not a more effective weapon make.

Personally, I'd only run them with either a lascannon or autocannon (with a preference for the former) with optional HK missile.

Astropath also being required, naturally.

If your plan is to outflank with them, it might be a good idea to give them each a HK missile. For 50 pts you get 2 S7 shots, and a one time S8 shot. Side shots are pretty good against quite a few people these days, and since they come in late might even get rear shots on target that are pivoted against other threats.

What about 2 squads of three if i use them for out flanking ( or screening ) were is the limeit .....were do you get to the " ok now thats to many sentinals )

The tactical Fail wrote:What about 2 squads of three if i use them for out flanking ( or screening ) were is the limeit .....were do you get to the " ok now thats to many sentinals )

I think pairs of Sentinels would be the best way to use them. One is not worth the FOC slot and 3 is too much of an investment. As for weapons, I really think Multi-Lasers or Autocannons are the way to go. 70-80 point unit that should be able to fire off enough shots on side armor to at least stun a shooty tank and maybe pop open a weak transport all while being hidden and mobile.

If you decide to go with 3 squads of 2, I would really consider getting an Astropath (or whatever its called) for the bonus to reserve rolls and rerolling where you outflank from.

notabot187 wrote:If your plan is to outflank with them, it might be a good idea to give them each a HK missile. For 50 pts you get 2 S7 shots, and a one time S8 shot. Side shots are pretty good against quite a few people these days, and since they come in late might even get rear shots on target that are pivoted against other threats.

In squads of two seem effective.

Peace!

Here is a thread I started awhile back on Sentinels. I got lots of useful feedback. Check it out:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/284476.page

This topic has been pretty well covered in other threads. The consensus every time has been "they're not a bad use of points, but much of the time there are better choices."

was not aware of it sorry if a mod wishes to lock this thread i have no problem

No worries. The search feature isn't really reliable, although you probably could have found the answer.

Sentinals are great against the dark Eldar when they have multi-lasers
this is because they can cause havok against their tanks (eg 18 shots you expect 9 to hit against av10 which is norm for DE you expect another half to hit so thats 4/5 penatrating/glancing hits with +1 to the roll all for just 105 pts

and it can insta-death most of the army

Ok, I think that I shall inject some anecdotal evidence (the best kind of evidence) into this debate. I outflanked my sentinels behing some death company tonight, making them move towards them instead of the blob that was rapid firing into their ranks. This gave me an extra turn of shooting against the death company as they raged towards the sentinels and charged them. Not a game winning move but it goes to show that mathammer doesn't cover everything.

Trickstick wrote:Ok, I think that I shall inject some anecdotal evidence (the best kind of evidence) into this debate. I outflanked my sentinels behing some death company tonight, making them move towards them instead of the blob that was rapid firing into their ranks. This gave me an extra turn of shooting against the death company as they raged towards the sentinels and charged them. Not a game winning move but it goes to show that mathammer doesn't cover everything.

That's a good point.

Here's another example of how Mathammer doesn't cover everthing. I run a wall of AV 12 vehicles. In large games, 2000-3000 points, my foremost vehicles end up blocking line of sight for most of my units further back. It's nice to have a few shooters: Vendetta, Hydra, and Scout Sentinels, that can see and shoot over my wall of Hellhounds and Chimeras. I can't run many Sentinels though since they compete for FOC with Vendettas and Hellhounds. I wish the sentinels were back in the Troop (Platoon) or HQ choices.

In smaller battles (<2000), my sentinels never get used. They are a bit of a handicap in Annihilation games.

Multi-lasers are great ... and cheap! Go with smoke as well and you have a unit of 3 for 120 points. That's 9 STR 6 shots, which is pretty good value.

Unlike armoured sentinels they cannot tarpit units in CC. They are quick ranged units designed to plug holes in your line or exploit weaknesses in the enemy's line.

EDIT: I tried heavy flamer - didn't work, as it put the sentinel in charge range!

Personally I'd want to save my fast attack slots for Vendettas and Valkyries, but I do have a bit of a soft spot for autosenties.

Sentinels with autocannons are decent for their points if only you could buy sentinels as a platoon attachment like in the old book because in the new book they compete with Vendettas for fast attack slots.

Kirika wrote:Sentinels with autocannons are decent for their points if only you could buy sentinels as a platoon attachment like in the old book because in the new book they compete with Vendettas for fast attack slots.

Ah but then you wouldn't be able to outflank with them, as the platoon deploys as a whole...

Trickstick wrote:Ok, I think that I shall inject some anecdotal evidence (the best kind of evidence) into this debate. I outflanked my sentinels behing some death company tonight, making them move towards them instead of the blob that was rapid firing into their ranks. This gave me an extra turn of shooting against the death company as they raged towards the sentinels and charged them. Not a game winning move but it goes to show that mathammer doesn't cover everything.

Another story from me too

In a 1000pts game I was playing against the Dark Eldar, I had 3 Sentinals with multi-lasers and mannaged to take down 2 Raiders, a Ravager and a squad of 19 kabalite warriors

not too shabby for 105pts