Arrogance in 40K

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**forruner_mercy**

So, I, like many other people, have noticed how freaking arrogant the races are in the 40K universe. There is the Space Marines, believing that they are total badasses, which is really not far from the fact. But they come of as quite arrogant. The Tau have their whole "Greater Good" thing, which seem fairly arrogant to me. The Eldar seem like the most arrogant by far. This is extremely noticeable in Dawn of War 2: Retribution. They frequently say things about all of the races involved, especially the Humans.
For instance, there is a point where when either the Ranger hero or the Warlock hero is talking about a Traitor Guard transmission, and he says that "Human communication's is not far removed from shouting." This came of as quite arrogant to me.

So what are your thoughts? I could be wrong on a lot of this, but I would like to know what you guys think.

**Thaanos**

The exact same thing can be said about humanity both today and in the past. The Nazi's with the whole "master race" concept, Americans with the whole ideology of the greatest nation on earth, and us Canadians always making fun of your beer(I am not a beer drinker, so I have no idea if it's as bad as all my friends say, I personally hate all beer).

Authors write what they know, and since we know arrogance quite well, that's what we put into our works of fiction.

**forruner_mercy**

Thaanos wrote:The exact same thing can be said about humanity both today and in the past. The Nazi's with the whole "master race" concept, Americans with the whole ideology of the greatest nation on earth, and us Canadians always making fun of your beer(I am not a beer drinker, so I have no idea if it's as bad as all my friends say, I personally hate all beer).

Authors write what they know, and since we know arrogance quite well, that's what we put into our works of fiction.

Good point there. I guess we do no quite a bit about arrogance, eh?

**Battle Brother Lucifer**

And how the eldar would doom a human solar system to save like, one eldar ship

**CrazyThang**

It all also helps very much with the grimdark setting. Everyone is against everyone, no one can be friends because their heads are rammed too far up their respective asses that no one can get along

**forruner_mercy**

CrazyThang wrote:It all also helps very much with the grimdark setting. Everyone is against everyone, no one can be friends because their heads are rammed too far up their respective asses that no one can get along

Very true.

**LoneLictor**

Every faction is arrogant, especially the Chaos Space Marines and Eldar. Actually, Tyranids aren't arrogant, just hungry.

**forruner_mercy**

LoneLictor wrote:Every faction is arrogant, especially the Chaos Space Marines and Eldar. Actually, Tyranids aren't arrogant, just hungry.

That is why I did not talk about them, nor the Orks. The Tyranids just want to eat everything, and the Oks just want to fight. Not pretty, nor do I agree with it, but I do admire their simplicity.

**Fezman**

I'd say this is just meant to be one of the recurring themes of the setting - every faction is arrogant, hypocritcal, tyrannical or a combination thereof. An exception might be the Tyranids, but that's also debatable...if the Hive Mind is considered as some sort of evil mastermind-type intelligence, rather than just an animal, it could also be described as arrogant for thinking that Tyranids have the right to invade the galaxy, take what they want and set themselves as the dominant species.

**Wardragoon**

Fezman wrote:I'd say this is just meant to be one of the recurring themes of the setting - every faction is arrogant, hypocritcal, tyrannical or a combination thereof. An exception might be the Tyranids, but that's also debatable...if the Hive Mind is considered as some sort of evil mastermind-type intelligence, rather than just an animal, it could also be described as arrogant for thinking that Tyranids have the right to invade the galaxy, take what they want and set themselves as the dominant species.

........Orks arent any of the above, they fight for the hell of it, and as long as they fight they dont care about anything else

**Viridian**

I've thought about this myself lately, though in a different way. Mostly with why is everyone so war hungry in novels? Some of the novels I read have basic city structures and all that living just fine. Or the off shoot stories of say The Exodites and settling new home worlds or something. I've read a few novel starts were its the base of an imperial city and its normal and then war breaks out. Sure the arrogance is really astounding with the war structures but I don't really agree with that thought vs normal civility among populous sections of the races.

Could you imagine a novel as bland as it might be for some people just based off a normal joe inquisitor taking up position in an imperial city and all he does is some detective novel ideal to find some corrupt chaos seed or something. I got that impression with this idea threw Deus Encarmine the start of it kind of rides with that thinking with the start of Inquisitor Remius Stele course with his plot line a bit different. I guess in the end the premiss is war in the universe of fluff so there arrogance is more astounding. Then again you have to think if your near 100-150 years old(or more...) I think you would be a bit irritated about fighting the same enemy for so long or changing to see enemies of old. So I don't know I agree with the arrogant statement but mostly just on the warpath.

-Sincerely Viri

**Jimsolo**

All of the races in 40k are arrogant. Every race has a reason to be arrogant. Lots of them.

**LumenPraebeo**

The Imperium is definitely not arrogant. They are just xenophobic. They are attacked from all sides by aliens and being corrupted from within by alien races from another dimension. Before the Emperor and his Crusade came along, many planets of man were enslaved by alien races. It was the Imperium that rescued them, and it is the Imperium at this moment that is fighting a desperate war to defend themselves from having the same thing happen to their worlds again...or even worst, annihilation.

The Eldar however seem to be arrogant just because they know they're superior to man. They also go out of their way to treat us with contempt. God do I hate those arrogant space elves

**Jimsolo**

The Imperium is totally arrogant. They believe that not only are they the only species with a right to exist and dominate the galaxy, but that they are capable of doing so. They have a total lack of fear (or common sense) born out of arrogance.

**Conservationist**

Wasn't Yarricks baneblade or something named Fortress of Arrogance? Then there is the Armour of Contempt. Yep arrogant, sure as sure.

**Omegus**

Wardragoon wrote:Orks arent any of the above, they fight for the hell of it, and as long as they fight they dont care about anything else

That's certainly not true, Orks care about their status in whatever passes for their society quite a bit. Warbosses and Nobz love to lord their superiority over the lesser Orks.

**Eldar Own**

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:And how the eldar would doom a human solar system to save like, one eldar ship

...Or one eldar.

As the eldar ambassador to the human race, I would like to argue the Eldar's case. Bascially the Eldar believe that they are, by far, the most sophisticated and technologically advanced race in the 40K universe. And to be fair to them, they are. So it's naturally that they view all other races as vastly inferior.

**Wardragoon**

Eldar Own wrote:. Bascially the Eldar believe that they are, by far, the most sophisticated and technologically advanced race in the 40K universe. And to be fair to them, they are. So it's naturally that they view all other races as vastly inferior.

Necrons disagree with that statement

**DAaddict**

Omegus wrote:
Wardragoon wrote:Orks arent any of the above, they fight for the hell of it, and as long as they fight they dont care about anything else

That's certainly not true, Orks care about their status in whatever passes for their society quite a bit. Warbosses and Nobz love to lord their superiority over the lesser Orks.

And one improves their status by... FIGHTING!!! That is the ork theme. Krump anyone that gets in your way. Respect the bigger ork that can krump you.

**Grey Templar**

Eldar Own wrote:
Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:And how the eldar would doom a human solar system to save like, one eldar ship

...Or one eldar.

As the eldar ambassador to the human race, I would like to argue the Eldar's case. Bascially the Eldar believe that they are, by far, the most sophisticated and technologically advanced race in the 40K universe. And to be fair to them, they are. So it's naturally that they view all other races as vastly inferior.

Sarcasim warning!!!

O, eldar are the best and masters of the universe.

Lets see,

Created one of the 4 chaos gods, check.

Created the Eye of Terror, check.

Killed most of the Sapient races in the galaxy at the same time, check.

on the verge of extinction, check.

Craftworld inhabited by said masters of the universe, who are supposedly awsome psykers to boot, was eaten by 1 tyranid, check.

Hmmmm, we got some real winners here

**dajobe**

i dont like eldar, they are like the people that DOOMFART and then wave the fart in your direction, or walk up to you while you are playing xbox and fart in your face...Slaanesh likes them/wants to eat their souls

**Wardragoon**

dajobe wrote:i dont like eldar, they are like the people that DOOMFART and then wave the fart in your direction, or walk up to you while you are playing xbox and fart in your face...Slaanesh likes them/wants to eat their souls

.....I have never done that!!

**Brother Coa**

All races are somewhat arrogant. But Eldar and Tau are the biggest idiots of all races.

( Eldar who are on the verge of extinction and still they fight the losing battles. And Tau who thinks that they can conquer the entire galaxy while they can't even get out from their backyard. )

**Fezman**

Some Orks are arrogant, even if it's in an Orky kind of way. Ghazghkull Thraka is one:

"I'm da hand of Gork and Mork, dey sent me to rouse up da boyz to crush and kill ‘cos da boyz forgot what dere ‘ere for. I woz one of da boyz till da godz smashed me in da ‘ead an’ I ‘membered dat Orks is meant to conquer and make slaves of everyfing they don’t kill.

I’m da profit of da Waaagh an’ whole worlds burn in my boot prints. On Armour-Geddem, I led da boyz through da fire deserts and smashed da humies’ metal cities to scrap. I fought Yarik, old one-eye at Tarturus, an’ he fought good but we smashed iz city too.

I’m death to anyfing dat walks or crawls, where I go nothin’ stands in my way. We crushed da stunties on Golgotha, an’ we caught old one-eye when da speed freeks blew da humies’ big tanks ta bits. I let ‘im go ‘cause good enemies iz ‘ard to find, an Orks need enemies ta fight like they need meat ta eat an’ grog ta drink.

I iz more cunnin’ than a grot an’ more killy than a dread, da boyz dat follow me can’t be beat. On Pissenah we jumped da marine-boyz an’ our bosspoles was covered in da helmets we took from da dead ‘uns. We burned dere port an’ killed dere bosses an’ left nothin’ but ruins behind. I’m Warlord Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka an’ I speak wiv da word of da gods. We iz gonna stomp da ‘ooniverse flat an’ kill anyfing that fights back. We iz gonna do this coz’ we’re Orks an’ we was made ta fight an’ win!"

**Polvilhovoador**

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:And how the eldar would doom a human solar system to save like, one eldar ship

To be fair pretty much everyone else (well maybe not Tau) would do the same given opportunity

**Grey Templar**

No, the Imperium doesn't destroy planets if they don't have to. they would much rather expend the energy to reclaim and settle the planet then burn it to ash.

**Oriallis**

I admit Eldar are extremely arrogant, however I disagree with a number of the posts dissing them above.

Eldar created Slannesh in large part yes, but Humans certainly helped, along with creating the other chaos gods.

If the Human race were on the verge of extinction do you think we would just cooly submit to the domination of say Barbaric Apes? If not then you understand why Eldar wouldn't submit to an inferior species either.

**Nicholas**

Brother Coa wrote:All races are somewhat arrogant. But Eldar and Tau are the biggest idiots of all races.

( Eldar who are on the verge of extinction and still they fight the losing battles. And Tau who thinks that they can conquer the entire galaxy while they can't even get out from their backyard. )

Eldar are arrogant, but you can't call them idiots because they don't lay down and die. So what if they are on the verge of extinction anyone would keep on fighting instead of laying down to die

**purplefood**

Brother Coa wrote:All races are somewhat arrogant. But Eldar and Tau are the biggest idiots of all races.

( Eldar who are on the verge of extinction and still they fight the losing battles. And Tau who thinks that they can conquer the entire galaxy while they can't even get out from their backyard. )

No one ever did anything by giving up...

**Brother Coa**

Nicholas wrote:
Brother Coa wrote:All races are somewhat arrogant. But Eldar and Tau are the biggest idiots of all races.

( Eldar who are on the verge of extinction and still they fight the losing battles. And Tau who thinks that they can conquer the entire galaxy while they can't even get out from their backyard. )

Eldar are arrogant, but you can't call them idiots because they don't lay down and die. So what if they are on the verge of extinction anyone would keep on fighting instead of laying down to die

They are not idiots because of that. They are idiots because:

-They are not trying to save their race, but they keep fighting instead of retreating to Maiden worlds and repopulate.
-Because they won't help the Imperium when that would be even in their benefit ( DoW II original campaign ).
-Because they think that they are "the perfect race", yet they failed worse than any other.

Like I said: Idiots...