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I'm unclear as to what kasrkins are. What are kasrkins?

I believe they're Cadia specific Stormtroopers.

Kasrkin are the most elite of the Cadian troopers. They are basically the Cadian equivalent of stormtroopers, where normal stormtroopers are separate from any one regiment and trained by the Schola Progenium, Kasrkin are part of the Cadian military and trained under its auspices. They were introduced way back during the Eye of Terror campaign and had their own rules at that time, along with the models that are still currently available. Nowadays, people just use them as regular stormtroopers.

That's what I thought but was wondering why GW would go to all that trouble to make regimentally specific stormtroopers...hmm. thank you now I don't have to wonder whenever I look at the Elites section!

Actually, there is more Kasrkin then storm troopers. Also, look at the marine codexes if you want to know why GW makes specific chapters as codexes.

Kaskrin are the Elite Cadian Guard. They're basically Stormtroopers.

Think Seal Cadians.

lledwey wrote:Kasrkin are the most elite of the Cadian troopers. They are basically the Cadian equivalent of stormtroopers, where normal stormtroopers are separate from any one regiment and trained by the Schola Progenium, Kasrkin are part of the Cadian military and trained under its auspices. They were introduced way back during the Eye of Terror campaign and had their own rules at that time, along with the models that are still currently available. Nowadays, people just use them as regular stormtroopers.

Incorrect.

The Kasrkin were originally introduced in one of the Gaunt's Ghosts novels, and then Dan Abnett further explored them in "Malleus". Following that, Andy Chambers added them into the Eye of Terror for the background.

The basics of Kasrkin being "the Cadian equivalent of stormtroopers" is true.

What you need to realize, however, is that Kasrkin are a very specialized "type" of Stormtrooper. They don't perform covert operations, they perform spearhead assaults.
When a Cadian force begins an assault, the Kasrkin are paving the way.
They wear carapace armor, wield Hellguns and are trained in such a way that they can walk artillery straight onto their positions if necessary.

In short: they're a fantastic example of hardcore troopers.

They use Hotshot guns Kan.

Hotshots lasguns = hellguns. Same thing.

Kanluwen wrote:

lledwey wrote:Kasrkin are the most elite of the Cadian troopers. They are basically the Cadian equivalent of stormtroopers, where normal stormtroopers are separate from any one regiment and trained by the Schola Progenium, Kasrkin are part of the Cadian military and trained under its auspices. They were introduced way back during the Eye of Terror campaign and had their own rules at that time, along with the models that are still currently available. Nowadays, people just use them as regular stormtroopers.

Incorrect.

The Kasrkin were originally introduced in one of the Gaunt's Ghosts novels, and then Dan Abnett further explored them in "Malleus". Following that, Andy Chambers added them into the Eye of Terror for the background.

The basics of Kasrkin being "the Cadian equivalent of stormtroopers" is true.

What you need to realize, however, is that Kasrkin are a very specialized "type" of Stormtrooper. They don't perform covert operations, they perform spearhead assaults.
When a Cadian force begins an assault, the Kasrkin are paving the way.
They wear carapace armor, wield Hellguns and are trained in such a way that they can walk artillery straight onto their positions if necessary.

In short: they're a fantastic example of hardcore troopers.

Thats what a stormtrooper IS (in the real world anyway, at least during WW1 anyway with German Sturmtruppe doctrine). I don't know where GW got the idea that stormtroopers were special forces from doing covert ops type stuff, but its wrong, thats a commando.

Out of curiosity, how is the word pronounced? I say cass-are-kin

chaos0xomega wrote:Thats what a stormtrooper IS (in the real world anyway, at least during WW1 anyway with German Sturmtruppe doctrine). I don't know where GW got the idea that stormtroopers were special forces from doing covert ops type stuff, but its wrong, thats a commando.

Out of curiosity, how is the word pronounced? I say cass-are-kin

Just because they share names with a historical soldier doctrine doesn't mean that they share roles. Stormtroopers in history were the shock troopers; in GW lore, Stormtroopers take on a different role 39,000 years in the future.

It's like claiming that since Roman marines were used in boarding actions against ships, that a US Marine should be the same.

As for pronunciation, I tend to say "KAS-er-kin".

I tend towards "KAS-er-kin" as well.

I guess i'm the odd one out, i have always said KRAS-krins, but i've also always thought it was probably wrong.

Phantom wrote:They use Hotshot guns Kan.

No. They don't.

Hotshot Lasguns do not exist in the current continuity, no matter what that fool Cruddace copy/pasted from three Guard codices ago.

The term 'Hotshot' has for almost a decade been used to denote an overcharged powerpack, not a specific kind of gun.

A Hellgun is what Stormtroopers and Grenadiers utilize. End of story.

chaos0xomega wrote:Thats what a stormtrooper IS (in the real world anyway, at least during WW1 anyway with German Sturmtruppe doctrine). I don't know where GW got the idea that stormtroopers were special forces from doing covert ops type stuff, but its wrong, thats a commando.

Out of curiosity, how is the word pronounced? I say cass-are-kin

Stormtroopers are just the titles they give to 'em. They function mostly as special forces because they're trained for it, but they can also do what the Kasrkin do--albeit they're not usually good at it.

The way I've heard for pronouncing it--from Abnett and Andy Chambers some years back at the GD Baltimore where the metals were first showcased-- is "Kas-ER-kin".

Also, the plural is Kasrkin, no s needed.

Yep, hellguns. They are, if you pardon the expression, hell on wheels when it comes to laser weaponry. A man with this rifle is a man to be feared, I don't care if you're ten feet tall and in power armor... do not feth with the man with the hellgun.

As for pronunciation, I go with something like "kaze-ER-kin". Kinda rhymes with "laser-kin".

Kasrkins are awesome just regular men who are so badass they walk with nothing but carapace armor and their skills (And heavy weapon of choice.) they are trully the most badass of the cadians.

Fair enough Kan, also does anyone have Cadian Blood? One of my friends said that can shed some light on this discussion.

Yeah. There's a squad of Kasrkrins in that book, and they're pretty badass.

Phantom wrote:Fair enough Kan, also does anyone have Cadian Blood? One of my friends said that can shed some light on this discussion.

"Cadian Blood", quite frankly, is a 'must-own' for any Guard player.

And yeah. There's a squad of Kasrkin in there. They make a very dramatic entrance in the middle of a nasty firefight.