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Broadside Bash 2012

The Broadside Bash is a 2-day GW-style Grand Tournament, featuring the Warhammer Fantasy Battle and Warhammer 40k.

The Guiding Principals of the Broadside Bash
* To have a fun and unusual gaming event, using awesome themed terrain tables.
* To host a gaming event where the hobby side (painting, composition, sportsmanship) is at least as important as the actual gameplay.
* To host a gaming event where you can have 1, or even 2, losses and still be in the running for the top spots.
* To showcase amazing painted armies on the table.
* To providing a great weekend of gaming for old and new friends.
* To foster goodwill and cooperation among the gaming community, between both hobbiests and tournament players.
* To have a straight forward transparent scoring and matchup system.
* To increase the awareness of the tournament circuit

2012 Broadside Bash GT

The Broadside Bash 5th annual event will be held in February 2012 at the Radisson Hotel in Los Angles, CA and is part of Stratigicon OrcCon 2012. For more information about Strategicon please visit their website.

2500 point Warhammer Fantasy armies
2000 point Warhammer 40k armies.

For more information join us:

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Broadside-Bash/198017996934759
The web: http://broadside-bash.blogspot.com

We hope that you can all come out and join us!

So you use comp for the 40k event still?

Boo Comp. Yay Beer.

Indeed we do. We know its not terribly necessary, or even very popular, but its a necessary part of the solution.

Hey Kurt.

Do you think it would be a bad idea to drop 40k down to 1750?

It's nice to be able to have people finish games under 2.25 hours and it makes for a less stressful environment.

The blogspot link isn't working.

Also in the spirit of being well rounded and have the hobby aspect worth as much as gameplay I would recommend doing awards for the top 5 renaissance men.

renaissance man = 33%battle points 33%Sportsmanship 33% painting or 50%battle points 25%Sportsmanship 25%painting

The web link takes me to google, is that just me?

Sorry, I threw an extra "S" into those links, they should work now.

I'd love to do 1750 or 1850 on 40k....I got out voted

The top 2 spots...the Admiral and Captain are in fact those kind of "renaissance man" scores. Battle 49%, Comp 16%, Sports 16%, Appearance 16%.

captkurt wrote:Sorry, I threw an extra "S" into those links, they should work now.

I'd love to do 1750 or 1850 on 40k....I got out voted

The top 2 spots...the Admiral and Captain are in fact those kind of "renaissance man" scores. Battle 49%, Comp 16%, Sports 16%, Appearance 16%.

Is that appearance of the army or are you grading our personal appearance and hygiene. I vote for the second one...

OverwatchCNC wrote:

captkurt wrote:Sorry, I threw an extra "S" into those links, they should work now.

I'd love to do 1750 or 1850 on 40k....I got out voted

The top 2 spots...the Admiral and Captain are in fact those kind of "renaissance man" scores. Battle 49%, Comp 16%, Sports 16%, Appearance 16%.

Is that appearance of the army or are you grading our personal appearance and hygiene. I vote for the second one...

Hey, not fair, not all of us can go to the CNC school for gamers who want to game good, and do other things good too.

sharkticon wrote:

OverwatchCNC wrote:

captkurt wrote:Sorry, I threw an extra "S" into those links, they should work now.

I'd love to do 1750 or 1850 on 40k....I got out voted

The top 2 spots...the Admiral and Captain are in fact those kind of "renaissance man" scores. Battle 49%, Comp 16%, Sports 16%, Appearance 16%.

Is that appearance of the army or are you grading our personal appearance and hygiene. I vote for the second one...

Hey, not fair, not all of us can go to the CNC school for gamers who want to game good, and do other things good too.

If that school is run by me you may be better off not going

Can't wait!!!

Sounds interesting. I might have to do a bit more painting then...

OverwatchCNC wrote:

sharkticon wrote:

OverwatchCNC wrote:

captkurt wrote:Sorry, I threw an extra "S" into those links, they should work now.
I'd love to do 1750 or 1850 on 40k....I got out voted
The top 2 spots...the Admiral and Captain are in fact those kind of "renaissance man" scores. Battle 49%, Comp 16%, Sports 16%, Appearance 16%.

Is that appearance of the army or are you grading our personal appearance and hygiene. I vote for the second one...

Hey, not fair, not all of us can go to the CNC school for gamers who want to game good, and do other things good too.

If that school is run by me you may be better off not going

Um, maybe hygiene could get the weightier percentage over appearance. Skinny guys don't have the sweat-stink issue after 3 games.

Deodorant and Altoids

I'm on the fence about this one. Forge World is allowed, but on a case-by-case basis - what about Lucius pattern drop pods? Did any of those pop up last year?

Hokkaido23 wrote:I'm on the fence about this one. Forge World is allowed, but on a case-by-case basis - what about Lucius pattern drop pods? Did any of those pop up last year?

They did, but it wasn't a huge game changer.

In round 5 I played a blood angels player who had one with a bloodtalon dread.

I just reserved and watch it come on with nothing to charge and threw some melta at it in subsequent turns.

It's a great event and below is a video review.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH7neyS_MmE&feature=player_embedded

I am not a fan of the forgeworld thing, but theres really only about 5 things you need to ban from forgeworld to keep things balanced. The only real negative for me was the space issues, which hopefully the con can help out with. I will be playing in the fantasy event, per my usual.

The coring system looks a lot better than last year. Those Hardcore Points were no fun.

I got Lucius Patter Drop Pod'd last year, too. Those things are annoying.

Plan on seeing a Hades Breaching Drill or Achilles Land Raider, Muhahahahahaha!!!

But really, I think I will take one of the Badab War space Marine Characters, those guys are cool, and I think they are really balanced, too from reading their stats.

I am glad they are defining this as a hobby event this year. I know it is semantics, but it really does set expectations appropriately.

The Zero Comp team will most likely be in attendance, as ironically enough, Frankie won last year.

We have been winning all the Comp tournaments we have gone to this year which is really funny to me! Just goes to show you can be nice and play competitively.

Looking forward to seeing all of our buddies at another BSB. Hopefully this year we can avoid a lot of the silly drama from last year and have a good time.

If I lose a game like last time, you can be sure I will come with some more Sammy A's for everyone like last year! And we want Wonderwoman to come again!

Loving the whole 'hobby side' thing.

I'm going to see if I can schedule some vacation around the weekend of this thing so I don't get screwed into working.

We are going to do something about the space. Unfortunately it means that we are going to have to have some games in the smaller adjoining rooms, but we'll definitely be more spread out.

- Kurt

AS an aside, IA Apoc 2nd ed has altered the lucius rules, so make sure people use those rules. Therye still annoying, but there's now a 1/6th chance fo the vehicle not making the assault. "balance"

How do we get tickets for the event? do we just buy a ticket to the Con n then pre reg here? or something else?

Deathwing88 wrote:How do we get tickets for the event? do we just buy a ticket to the Con n then pre reg here? or something else?

Goto the Broadside Bash Sign Up page at http://broadside-bash.blogspot.com/p/signup-test.html

The ORCCON admission is included with the Broadside Bash signup fee.

I'll probably be in attendance, though more then likely, my "infamous" Khorne Daemons will make another showing on the Fantasy side of things.

What forgeworld models are allowed so far?

As a few of my friends and I are contemplating attending, I have some suggestions:

If your going to use such an exploitable/subjective system as player-scored comp, I would suggest that any score given below average (on comp or sports for that matter) require an explanation be given on behalf of the player. And any score of zero, require a meeting of both players and a judge.

Several events are using this system to try and counter act someone "tanking" anothers scores just because they lost, or lost "too-quickly". Or for that matter trying to prevent someone linking sports and comp together into one twisted subjective view. For example: He beat me too fast so his army was cheesy, low comp score for him. Oh, and since he took such an "un-fun" army he is totally a jerk despite our game running smoothly so, low sports score too.

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Also, I'm confused, looking at your website you have the following scoring system:

Battle Points (Max per game = 20, Min = 4)

Win: 17 points
Draw: 10 points
Loss: 4 points

Bonus/Penalty Battle Points: per scenario, max of +3

No bonus Battle Points are awarded over 20, no negative Battle Points can lower your score to less than 4.

Which is a Win/Loss/Draw System. Yet the 40k scenario packet on the site lists the games on a massacre/major/minor/tie system.

Which is it? And how is the Massacre system being scored if that is the one being used? Since the tournament is a month and some away, I would clarify this ASAP.

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And one more point, the Massacre thresholds for the last 3 scenarios are pretty harsh. Using a margin of 5 kill points for a Massacre in scenarios #1 and #2 is fine, since ard boyz at 2500 uses 7. However, you literally must control every objective on the board in scenarios #3 and #4, since there are only (up to) 5 objectives. Also, to get a Massacre in #5 you would have to wipe out 65% of the opponents army while losing literally 0% of yours. Your asking for ard boyz level massacres for these three scenarios with 500 less points.

It's especially ridiculous in scenario #3 since you may only have 3 objectives. Making the highest possible victory a minor one! A single dice roll at the beginning of this game could ruin someones tournament... Please fix this if nothing else. My suggestion would be to drop the objective games threshold to: 3 MORE objectives than opponent = massacre, 2 MORE objectives than opponent = major, 1 MORE objectives than opponent = minor. I would also lower the VP difference in #5 by 200pts or so.

Please see previous years threads regarding broad side bash. It is not a true competitive system and does not try to be. It is a hobby compitition and they don't try to make it anything else. they will not change anything but if you are looking for a day with painted armys, fun games, and some random prizes you found it.

Yeah, what Grimgob said.

These guys are all cool guys, and big time hobbyists. They have no desire to be a competitive event.

The BSB is what it is, yo don't go for the competition, you go to see awesome armies, beautiful terrain and to have a fun weekend of dice tossing.

Trust us, this argument has been had many times before, and often to very ugly outcome (last year one of their crew got booted from Dakka for life in under 10 posts, a new record!).

This is honestly a fun event though, and our team goes every year to see friends and have fun. Just bring a fluff army and don't expect the system to make a whole lot of sense from a competitive stand point.

Although, and this always amuses me, Team Zero Comp, ironically, won the event last year!

I can understand the desire to be a hobby event.

I wasn't saying they should drop comp, but make it less exploitable. What's wrong with having to state a reason why you tanked someones score?

Also, my suggestions for the scenarios are valid. It's not to make it more competitive, but if they aren't adjusted your going to see a ton of people with the same score since it's almost impossible to max out.

Thirdly, scenario #3 should be adjusted at the very least. If you roll a 1 or 2 for the number of objectives then the highest possible score for either player is a piddly minor victory. Thus at least making your game less enjoyable than the table next to you, and at most causing you to lose the tournament over a single dice roll. This has nothing to do with "competitiveness" it just makes sense.

Lastly, we still need an answer as to how the rounds are scored... since 2 different scoring systems are listed. So hopefully that will come through.

Take it from me. Even constructive criticism isn't really going to be listened to.

Best thing by far to do is to take it as a chance to get 5 games played in two days against painted armies. Go with that mindset and you'll be fine. Make the scoring incidental to just getting games in and don't sweat the scoring. They run a pretty decent event. I'd go if I was still in Cali if only to see friends and hang out. I just would count it as more of a hobby event than a tournament.

@Budzerker
That wasn't meant to be criticism towards you at all, in fact, we all agree with you!

It's just that we have had these conversations with the BSB guys every year, and every year it is the same thing.

We feel you, trust me.

And hey, you may have better luck stating your case than we have had, so by all means, go for it.

We're just sharing with you our experiences.

Sorry if it came across as as being short with you as that isn't how it was meant at all.

Like Hulk said, this is a fun event, but you may be less frustrated if you just take it at face value.