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Huron Blackheart 170
Greater Daemon 100

Chosen x5 150
(IOCG, AC, 4x Combi-plasma)

Chaos Space Marines x9 140
(Flamer)
Chaos Space Marines x10 185
(2x Meltagun, A.C)
Chaos Space Marines x10 185
(2x Meltagun, A.C)
3x Rhino 105
Lesser Daemons x15 195

Chaos Bikers x3 129
(2x Melta, IOCG)
Chaos Bikers x3 129
(2x Melta, IOCG)

Predator 130
(Lascannon Sponsons)
Predator 130
(Lascannon Sponsons)
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Just trying to make a few lists, see if I can get any inspiration to add to my CSM collection and i've come up with this Red Corsairs list.
Its nothing special, wanted to try and be fairly fluffy even though I don't actually really know much of the fluff.
Chosen will probably infiltrate, and Bikes will most likely turbo boost first turn. This is in the hope the Daemons might come down second turn, maybe I should drop a Lesser Daemon or two to give the two 10 man CSM squads an IOCG incase the Bikes and Chosen get killed off before the Lessers come in from reserves, which would leave only Huron's personal Icon as a target.

I think there is 'enough' anti-tank, 8 meltaguns (even if 4 are on suicidal bikes), 4 lascannons, greater daemon and Huron in combat. The whole idea of this army (bar the Preds) is getting up close to the enemy, then relying on focus fire and assaulting to take down high priority targets.

Is there anything obvious that should be improved upon? Bearing in mind this is not supposed to be a competitive army, more something fun to build up and paint (ha, like i'm ever actually going to get a painted army...) and possibly fluffy?
Thanks.

P.S
A rules question, I think the answer is yes but just wanted to check. Huron has a Power Weapon and his claw (which counts as a PF), can you chose to attack with either? I've never had it come up before...

Firstly lets talk about huron he has both a power axe and weapon you can choose which to hit with then you have timewarp and heavy flamer.
Secondly your 9 man squad i take it that squad has huron in take out the flamer and replace him with melta in another squad and put the flamer in his place then you have 3 squads anti - tank anti - indantry.
Lastly chosen im fine with 2 combi plasmas but another 2 should be outright meltas so they have the ability to kill tanks leaders etc. Mine do it almost everytime .

Nick

Thanks for your advice, a couple of points I would like to make in return though,
I can't remember anyone recommending having Melta/flamer mix, in fact when I have had lists in the past (mainly Space Wolves) with melta/flamer squads people told me to just take two of the same weapons. And I haven't tried mixing since, is it something you do?

With the chosen, a couple of Meltas would be nice. I think thats something I would have to work out after playing a few games with them. There primary job is to deliver the Lessers and Greater Daemon. And I gave them combi-plasmas to maybe take out a light tank or two, or an exposed squad like Hive Guard.


I just want to make it clear, that this is just a list at this stage, Its something I am planning on turning into an actual army. But I haven't played with a list anything like this for about two years, and back then the club I play at wasn't very competitive at all, now its full of pretty solid (and competitive) lists and gamers. So while i'm not trying to build an uber tourney list, I want this to be playable and potentially win games. So any more advice would be great.

Or, just because I am rubbish at making fluffy lists If anyone has any decent examples of any fluffy Chaos list I would love to see it.

This is actually a really solid and fluffy list! I'm liking the "look" of it on the tabletop, and I think you've got a decently competitive list built-in. So, congrats!

The only thing I see you having an issue with is dedicated and/or tough assault units. TH/SS Terminators, Wyches, Berserkers, and Death Company will all give you a really hard time, if you're not able to melta them to death before they charge (that is, before they charge the units that they've shot out of your Rhinos).

Huron is nothing more than a glorified SM "captain" and the Summoned Greater Daemon isn't the most reliable unit on his own, so you're really lacking in the combat department. I know it's a shooty list and I like it a LOT, but I'm just giving you a heads up that you'll have trouble against units like the ones I pointed out.

Otherwise, nice job.

dbgoldberg323 wrote:The only thing I see you having an issue with is dedicated and/or tough assault units. TH/SS Terminators, Wyches, Berserkers, and Death Company will all give you a really hard time, if you're not able to melta them to death before they charge (that is, before they charge the units that they've shot out of your Rhinos).

I agree you could use a bit more melta and plasma in your life. personally I believe the best way to equip Chosen are 5 of them with what ever mix of straight up Plasma guns or Meltaguns. The combi weapons are 5 points cheaper than the actual plasma gun and the same price as the Melta. so you are paying full price for one shot instead of six or how ever long the game ends up being. AC are kinda point wastes on them as they are a shooty squad. So i would like to suggest trying simply 5 base cost Chosen with all meltaguns, all plasma, or what ever mix you prefer. this should give you lots of AP 1 and 2 shots to deal with nasty enemy CC units. It is leagl to equip 5 special weapons, just read the codex entry and it will state 1 can be fitted with a heavy or special weapon and four more can get CC weapons or special weaopns.

Also if you are set on Huron, giving him a squad of 9 Berzerkers and Rhino is something to consider. Yeah its typical Power Armor in Rhinos tactics but its effective none the less.

Killadoza wrote:AC are kinda point wastes on them as they are a shooty squad

I believe he takes them as additional options for the Summoned Greater Daemon.

dbgoldberg323 wrote:I believe he takes them as additional options for the Summoned Greater Daemon.

Ah you are correct sir, that slipped my mind

Chosen can't take combi weapons last time I checked....

Commissar Typhus wrote:Chosen can't take combi weapons last time I checked....

Well you must have checked the wrong codex, because I have mine right in front of me and combi-weapons are definatly an option. You can however, only take 4 as they aren't an option for the 'one may take one of these upgrades' bit.

Also, thanks for advice so far. Coming up against good CC units will be tough but hopefully depending on the situation its something a bit of focus fire etc can deal with. I did want to take some Bezerkers, but only thought about it after I wrote the list, and can't fit them in without taking something else out, maybe if the Greater Daemon doesn't perform then I can swap the Zerkers in then. (need an extra 68 points onto of the 9 man CSM squad to get 8 Zerkers with a PF)

rodgers37 wrote:

Commissar Typhus wrote:Chosen can't take combi weapons last time I checked....

Well you must have checked the wrong codex, because I have mine right in front of me and combi-weapons are definatly an option. You can however, only take 4 as they aren't an option for the 'one may take one of these upgrades' bit.

Ah thank you, I overlooked it, my bad.

I play chosen like this:

2 meltas, 2 plasmas and a champ with a bolt pistol and powerweapon making it anti tank, heavy infantry and when you get assaulted (if you do) you have something that can take away armour saves.

I like using huron on my army maybe its because he looks cool and has the hamaydra i dont know but when i field him there is a lot more killing going on