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Hi, I'm entering the February Doubles Tournament at Warhammer World in the UK with my friend who's playing Eldar, and this is my prospective list. Constructive critiscism is very welcome, and I will post a link to my friend's army list as soon as he writes it!

Dark Eldar Tournament List Mk VI

HQ

Haemonculus with liquifier gun and shattershard-75

Elites

Four Kabalite Trueborn with four blasters in Venom with splinter cannon-185

Troops

Five Wracks with liquifier gun and Acothyst with agoniser in Venom with splinter cannon and chain-snares-160

Ten Kabalite Warriors with blaster and splinter cannon in Raider with flickerfield-185

Seven Wyches with shardnet and impaler and Hekatrix with agoniser in Raider with flickerfield-180

Fast Attack

Beastmaster with five Khymerae and two Razorwing Flocks-90
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875

I'm considering swapping the Kabalite Warriors for a Razorwing...

Those wracks gotta go. They are terrible for any roll you try to have for them. I have 20, all painted up and based, and I've ran them withevery type of load out imaginable. The most I'll take is 3. And that is just for a cheap pain token for the baron.

For 125 points you can take the tried and true, 5 kabalites with a blaster in a venom

Built-in has some very good advice here. Wracks are useful for one thing -- giving you a 30 point discount over a Kabalite blaster squad when purchasing a venom. It gives you an objective holder with FNP that can donate that pain token to a more worthy cause, as well as some extra splinter cannon firepower. That's about it.

Don't try to make wracks an effective assaulting unit. You've got much better options available for close combat.

His Wracks are generally used as a deckchair, but with my Pathfinders I think we have this covered. Also, have you thought about going for more Razorwing Flocks as oppose to all of those Khymerae? All of those Rending attacks, and if I'm not mistaken they have quite a few wounds as well don't they?

By the way, I'm the one entering the doubles tournament with ZachArPaladin and my list can be found here (http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/416046.page) if it helps here.

Razorwings are painfully vulnerable to S6+ attacks -- instant death on a 5-wound model makes me saaad.

I use wracks in squads of 3 as a cheap objective holder that brings another venom to my list.

Corollax wrote:Razorwings are painfully vulnerable to S6+ attacks -- instant death on a 5-wound model makes me saaad.

Uh, tell me about it, good catch though. You'd have thought that models like Razorwing flocks, Scarab Swarms, Rippers, etc would be immune to instant death due to the fact that technically there is more than one creature in each. Hit one razorwing bird with a Lascannon, they all die.

Okay, seeing as a lot of you guys seem to intensely dislike the Wracks, I've replaced them with a Razorwing Jetfighter. Before anyone heckles me that I should be taking a Ravager instead, just bear with me. I already have the Trueborn, who are VERY anti-tank, and two dark lances on the Raiders. There are also the two dark lances on the actual Razorwing, and because the splinter cannon is a defensive weapon, that can fire when the Razorwing moves, while the dark lances get into position. I think a main weakness of the Dark Eldar army in general is that it can struggle to deal with massive horde armies, so if we come up against Orks or Tyranids, hopefully the four large blasts will take out fair few troops before it goes tank hunting.

Dark Eldar Tournament List Mk VII

HQ

Haemonculus with liquifier gun and shattershard-75

Elites

Four Kabalite Trueborn with four blasters in Venom with splinter cannon-185

Troops

Ten Kabalite Warriors with blaster and splinter cannon in Raider with flickerfield-185

Seven Wyches with shardnet and impaler and Hekatrix with agoniser in Raider with flickerfield-180

Fast Attack

Beastmaster with five Khymerae and two Razorwing Flocks-90

Heavy Support

Razorwing Jetfighter with splinter cannon and flickerfield-165
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875

ZacharPaladin wrote:Before anyone heckles me that I should be taking a Ravager instead, just bear with me. I already have the Trueborn, who are VERY anti-tank, and two dark lances on the Raiders.

Not to mention the Fire Dragons in my list.

ZacharPaladin wrote:
Dark Eldar Tournament List Mk VI

HQ

Haemonculus with liquifier gun and shattershard-75

Personally unless you just have points laying around drop the shattershard as it won't help if you use the more reliable liquifier every turn.

ZacharPaladin wrote:
Elites

Four Kabalite Trueborn with four blasters in Venom with splinter cannon-185

Good...no great

ZacharPaladin wrote:
Troops

Five Wracks with liquifier gun and Acothyst with agoniser in Venom with splinter cannon and chain-snares-160

I would drop them for a 5 man warrior squad w/ a blaster. Keep the transport but drop the chain snares, you really don't want to get that close to an enemy squad. Reason being that wyches do better in CC, and wracks just hold a home objective...or you could use your speed to take you home obj later in the game.

ZacharPaladin wrote:
Ten Kabalite Warriors with blaster and splinter cannon in Raider with flickerfield-185

The problem with what you posted and my earlier suggestion is that you are splitting the focus of the squad. Keep the blaster and make it just a 5 man squad in a venom w/ the extra SC. This lets you shoot the blaster at a tank and the venom at infantry.

ZacharPaladin wrote:
Seven Wyches with shardnet and impaler and Hekatrix with agoniser in Raider with flickerfield-180

For tarpiting this is fine. Personally I would like to make use of everything I have with this small of a list. So I would make the squad total 9 and swap the shardnet out for a razorflail. otherwise it looks good.

ZacharPaladin wrote:
Fast Attack
Beastmaster with five Khymerae and two Razorwing Flocks-90

I know people are loving up on the beasts but first off this is illegal, second. I would try to use the leftover points from this and the wracks gone warriors to get a Ravager. Don't get a razorwing since a venomspam list will have plenty of infantry killing ability. I know the model looks nice but so do the mandrakes. Armies can surprise you at this level with a decent amout of armor.

Akroma06 wrote:
I know people are loving up on the beasts but first off this is illegal

Just a quick question, why is this illegal?

ZacharPaladin wrote:Okay, seeing as a lot of you guys seem to intensely dislike the Wracks, I've replaced them with a Razorwing Jetfighter. Before anyone heckles me that I should be taking a Ravager instead, just bear with me. I already have the Trueborn, who are VERY anti-tank, and two dark lances on the Raiders. There are also the two dark lances on the actual Razorwing, and because the splinter cannon is a defensive weapon, that can fire when the Razorwing moves, while the dark lances get into position. I think a main weakness of the Dark Eldar army in general is that it can struggle to deal with massive horde armies, so if we come up against Orks or Tyranids, hopefully the four large blasts will take out fair few troops before it goes tank hunting.

The razorwing jet can fire all of its weapons anyways, i t has aerial assault like the ravagers.

I thought that that was only if it moved at combat speed?

Nope. Fast can move 6" and fire all weapons. 12" one weapon and all defensive. Aerial let's you move 12" and fire all weapons

Oh yeah, I forgot they were fast as well.

ZacharPaladin wrote:

Akroma06 wrote:
I know people are loving up on the beasts but first off this is illegal

Just a quick question, why is this illegal?

It looks like you only have one beastmaster. One beastmaster allows you 0-5 Khemerae OR 0-1 Clawed Fiends OR 0-2 Razorwing Flocks. You need one for the 5 khymerae and another one for the 2 razorwing flocks.

As to the ravager/razorwing jetfighter they both can move 12" and fire all weapons since none of them are ordnance but it doesn't come from being fast rather ariel acrobatics...which for some slowed reason (Ward) necrons now have.

Ah yeah, I just looked at the Codex entry and noticed that... thanks for pointing that out Akroma! I'd never have seen that otherwise.

Yeah no prob a lot of people don't notice it.

Okay, I've revised my list; the main difference being the replacing of the Beastmaster unit with the Ravager. I read Akroma's earlier comments, and tried to take his comments on board; for example making the Warrior unit smaller and more specialised and increasing the size of the Wych squad. Please comment! Thanks!

Dark Eldar Tournament List Mk VIII

HQ

Haemonculus with liquifier gun and shattershard-75

Elites

Four Kabalite Trueborn with four blasters in Venom with splinter cannon-185

Troops

Five Kabalite Warriors with blaster in Venom with splinter cannon-125

Nine Wyches with razorflails and Hekatrix with agoniser in Raider with flickerfield-200

Heavy Support

Ravager with flickerfield-115

Razorwing Jetfighter with splinter cannon, flickerfield and night shields-175
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875

Just a thought; I saw somewhere that a Beastmaster with an agoniser and a Clawed Fiend as a squad is sometimes a good choice. What do you think?


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On second thoughts; maybe not...

An agonizer on a beastmaster is a waste, with his 2 attacks. I like the standered beastmaster unit. x3 beastmaster, x5 kymeara, x4 razorwing flock. On the charge that is 50 attacks, 24 with rending, and 5 models with a 4++. All for a measly 156 points. Pair that with the baron, and you get a 3+ cover save too

Yeah, that Beastmaster build is quite cool, but sadly I don't really want to kick out any of the other units to buy it...

2 things.

1. You need more than 2 troops, and personally I would swap the razorwing for more warriors. 2 troops won't last long at all. Even the trueborn could be scrapped for more warriors.

2. If you keep the razorwing then give it dissintegrators and drop the night shields. NS are practically worthless except for melta and rapid fire weapons.

HQ

Haemonculus with liquifier gun-60

Elites

Four Kabalite Trueborn with four blasters in Venom with splinter cannon-185

Troops

Five Kabalite Warriors in Venom with splinter cannon-110

Nine Wyches in Raider with flickerfield-160

Fast Attack

Three Reaver Jetbikes with heat lance-78

Heavy Support

Ravager with flickerfield-115

Razorwing Jetfighter with disintegrater cannon, splinter cannon and flickerfield-165
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873

I'm pretty sure that blaster-born in a venom comes to 173?
Use the points you save there to buy the Kabalites a blaster

I would suggest the Ravager over the Razorwing especially given your partners army. Between Venom's and scatterlasers (especially if he's taking warwalkers) you should'nt really be hurting for ranged anti infantry. 3 Lances, higher armour (but alas open topped) and lower points cost make it a better buy in this case (in pretty much any situation imo).


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Lord_Vader wrote:I'm pretty sure that blaster-born in a venom comes to 173?
Use the points you save there to buy the Kabalites a blaster

Also, This man speaks the truth.

Oh yeah, I was thinking about having a five man Kabalite Trueborn squad, so I got muddled up with the points, but thanks for pointing that out.

Archibald_ Buggerfingers wrote:I would suggest the Ravager over the Razorwing especially given your partners army. Between Venom's and scatterlasers (especially if he's taking warwalkers) you should'nt really be hurting for ranged anti infantry. 3 Lances, higher armour (but alas open topped) and lower points cost make it a better buy in this case (in pretty much any situation imo).


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Lord_Vader wrote:I'm pretty sure that blaster-born in a venom comes to 173?
Use the points you save there to buy the Kabalites a blaster

Also, This man speaks the truth.

2 votes Ravager

So I gave a critique a while back on the razorwing, but seriously ravagers are just so much better. More lances, cheaper, and let the venoms do the infantry killing work. Get a hekaniser, a blaster on those warriors and then you should be good.