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Your history of playing (and winning) with unorthodox armies is well known Blackmoor--speaks to the talent of the player Congratulations again!

Blackmoor wrote:Why did I choose that army?

There are a lot of reasons why. I like small durable armies like my thousand sons army I played all through 3rd edition. I also like to stay away from all of the common builds and try different things. Since everyone plays with either Crowe or Coteaz, I want to try Draigo. That is why in 4th edition I played foot Eldar when everyone played mech eldar.

I will be retiring my grey knights soon because there are a million GKs running around and I do not want to add to the problem. That is why I have thousand of points of SW that no one has ever seen. So it is on to demons (tzeentch for life baby!!!)

It's the same reason I play Draigo - plus I like the pure GK aspect and tend to stay away from the henchmen/inquisitors.

I'm glad to hear you're going Daemons! I'm a big fan of Tzeentch bolt/Fatecrusher variants and have had some good results with them lately. A player of your caliber should be able to take Daemons pretty far. (Not to say they aren't good, but they're a bit more chancey, as we all know) Looking forward to see what you can do with them.

I'm glad to hear that the army I would have made (see my sig, lol) is tactically sound. Congrats on the 2nd place win! (2nd out of all the players is still a win in my book)

Well done to all the participants, especially Blackmoor for almost going all the way.

Since Allan has said that his own decisions lost the game and not any rules issues, can we please let that die?

Blackmoor wrote:By the way, if Tony made a mistake on the rules it is no big deal. I made a mistake about the psychic hood and aegis (it had never come up before because nobody has offensive psychic powers anymore). If I had not looked it up and asked a judge to confirm it I would be getting murdered today.

I lost the game only because I did not make my Intercepters troops so they could shunt back to my objective that had no one on it.

Congratulations on your outstanding showing, Blackmoor!

Your responses in this thread show that true sportsmanship (and class) is not dead at these events.

Ozzy, come to the next BAO! I am pulling the friend card on this one! Haha

And the cameras were fething awesome! It was so fun to watch the games and talk to buddies about it as it was happening. I think that this will only improve the hobby to broadcast matches, that is a seriously cool move and every iteration of it gets better.

I played on one of the streamed matches at the Adepticon finals and I can honestly say it is not big deal. You forget it's there after a few seconds because you are so focused on what's going on.

We had 24 people tie for 8 EXCELLENT/Best Game Ever votes over the course of their 8 games.

Dash of Pepper won best sportsmanship, though he'd passed out with his equally tired touristing wife by the time of awards, and we passed it down to Sean Nayden.

We had less unpleasant votes ("one of worst games ever") over the entire 800+ games played in the 40k GT ... than tied-for-best sportsmen. We're pretty happy w/ the sportsmanship.

Let's start streaming Fantasy games too!

The live streaming was impressive. I am curious what equipment or resources would be needed to increase the number of feeds.

I can honestly say that the quality of the games and opponents were way above average. People overall were just in a really good mood and were having a good time. I am glad to hear the number of 'incidents' was minimal.

http://ustre.am/:18Ng9

Cheating for all to see at 33:10. Noob mistake then the cheat....

Cannot wait to hear the spin at YTTH on that one.

Can you elaborate? I didn't catch it.

He cheats by moving a missile launcher dude from behind the hill to the top of it where it would have better line of sight.

This happens after the game was in progress.

actually, what happened was that he took a casualty in a long fang pack...

...the pack leader, who was maintaining unit coherancy from the middle. This would cause the unit to have to move in his following turn, keeping them from being able to fire.

After he removed the pack leader he then picks up a missle launcher from the unit and replaces the pack leader with it....

Nice cheat.

Take the cheating accusations somewhere else. Ugh.

lol Oh he's dead, but theyre always on the outside edge, dont worry he's dead ...

Smooth


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pretre wrote:Take the cheating accusations somewhere else. Ugh.

More than an accusation there lol

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

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pretre wrote:Take the cheating accusations somewhere else. Ugh.

More than an accusation there lol

Exactly.

Accusation...and obvious evidence caught on video AND audio.

Oh, yeah, well I heard that everyone cheated everyone there. It was a big old cheaty orgy, and none of us should care about nova open, or the terrible stains everyone woke up with afterwards. They all opened up their perfect automaton mode switched and turned them off, so the crafty bastards could cheat and call it human error. Pfft. Everyone on dakka knows there is no such thing as human error.

sharkticon wrote: Everyone on dakka knows there is no such thing as human error.

That's a laugh.

Tell me, is it an "error" in chess if while your opponent isnt looking you pick up your Queen and put her in a position that you can checkmate your opponent on the next turn?

Cheating?...or error?

Beerfart wrote:

sharkticon wrote: Everyone on dakka knows there is no such thing as human error.

That's a laugh.

Tell me, is it an "error" in chess if while your opponent isnt looking you pick up your Queen and put her in a position that you can checkmate your opponent on the next turn?

Cheating?...or error?

You seen to have amazing psychic powers that let you know what everyone is thinking, and their intent, so you tell me. I'll be the guy with the tin foil hat.

Beerfart wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

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pretre wrote:Take the cheating accusations somewhere else. Ugh.

More than an accusation there lol

Exactly.

Accusation...and obvious evidence caught on video AND audio.

Okay, how about 'Go take your grudge somewhere else.'

sharkticon wrote:

Beerfart wrote:

sharkticon wrote: Everyone on dakka knows there is no such thing as human error.

That's a laugh.

Tell me, is it an "error" in chess if while your opponent isnt looking you pick up your Queen and put her in a position that you can checkmate your opponent on the next turn?

Cheating?...or error?

You seen to have amazing psychic powers that let you know what everyone is thinking, and their intent, so you tell me. I'll be the guy with the tin foil hat.

I guess that hat is covering your eyes and ears then. I don't claim to know anything, but I know what I saw....and what I saw was an obvious cheat. It's cute how you can shut your eyes and stick your fingers in your ears while repeating "lalalalalalalalalala" when there is a video that specifically shows what went down.


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pretre wrote:
Okay, how about 'Go take your grudge somewhere else.'

What grudge? This is tournament discussion news.

Prominant blog-owner who claims to be the best out there and has a mission statement of improving people's games caught cheating at a GT during a "Friendly" game.

I'm sure there are people interested in seeing that.

MVBrandt wrote:We had 24 people tie for 8 EXCELLENT/Best Game Ever votes over the course of their 8 games.

Dash of Pepper won best sportsmanship, though he'd passed out with his equally tired touristing wife by the time of awards, and we passed it down to Sean Nayden.

We had less unpleasant votes ("one of worst games ever") over the entire 800+ games played in the 40k GT ... than tied-for-best sportsmen. We're pretty happy w/ the sportsmanship.

You didn't give him the award cause he was tired and left?????

@Beerfart: Next year, why don't you go to NOVA, it seems like everyone there had a much more relaxed time than you have had watching it!

....one more thing.

Look, before we talk about grudges and what a jerk I am for being so "accusing". Take a second and THINK about the purpose of these live podcasts.

They're there so you can watch games in progress. It's a form of entertainment and it's designed to make us gamers discuss what went on during the game and see how people play.

Both players knew that they were being watched and listened to, THEY KNEW THIS.

If you cheat during a game like this how can you do anything but EXPECT to be called out on it. I was at the tournament and I know that this was a big issue with many people at the time that it happened. We watched it on the computer that night...and it was a source of MUCH discussion.

Discussing what happened during the game is why those games were recorded in the first place. If someone is caught messing up (just like what happened here) it should be shown as an example of a dickish move and what "not to do".

It's not a question of having a grudge or picking on someone. The man knew he was being recorded. He knew his behavior and gameplay was going to be analysed by gamers all over.

I go to his site all the time...I'll be looking for an explanation.

In the meantime, here at dakka, it's tournament news. It's posted as an example of "What not to do".




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sharkticon wrote:@Beerfart: Next year, why don't you go to NOVA, it seems like everyone there had a much more relaxed time than you have had watching it!

I WAS there guy. I went 7 and 1 in the 40k Tournament, and had bags of fun being there. FANTASTIC tournament....

...but....

This was a big deal in some circles.

Friendly game with prominant blog author participating....and he cheats.

That's not news?

Hey all - I was "that tyranid player" (/braces self). Although I've been a GW player and fan since 2e, my play history in 5e is 2 friendly games, 1 very small 3-game FLGS tournament, and NOVA. With that in mind, I'll post a few comments to earlier posts about the 3 games from day 1, especially having had high expectations after the games from the day before. I obviously never expected that I would *ever* be on table 1 at NOVA, and even asked Mike if he was okay with me being on camera/miked up given my (lack of) experience. Big kudos to Mike for letting a new player enjoy a little limelight, feel a little special going 3-1 on day 1 at a huge tournament (and all the well-earned vinegar that goes with said limelight /grin).

If you're familiar with the tournament format, my initial random seed on Saturday was table 2 in bracket 1 (where the camera was), and wins pushed me to table 1 for the rest of the day.

Magilla Gurilla -
I can agree that the top table was not the most "appealing" games to watch.
I also saw some pretty shady things going on with the Tyranid player; however, I am willing to chalk it up to being new(er) to the game.
Having said that....
...I have no doubt that MVB is aware of the situation; and will do what he can to make sure all the parties involved are aware of any possible problems.

In my opinion two thumbs up for the willingness to have an event like this broadcast from beginning to end.

First - thanks for the benefit of the doubt: I'll own up to being uneducated/inexperienced any day of the week as that's absolutely accurate; deliberate cheating: not in a million years. After my initial flgs tournament experience I was very sensitized to my slow play, and intentionally took a smaller list to NOVA to help compensate, but clearly not enough. As far as the "situation" of I and my opponents only getting through 3-4 turns, Mike was definitely aware, as was John, the head judge. Mike and I talked about it, and he asked me to work on speeding up after the 2nd game; and then again, he, John and I all talked about it after the 3rd game. I was definitely stressing about it and did for the rest of the tournament, and appreciated Andrew pushing me in the 4th game.

hyv3mynd -
From the little I watched, there was a tyranid player under the camera for 2 games that only finished 3/4 turns. Wasn't very familiar with his own unit's stats and rules.

I understand there's added pressure playing under a camera and I've never done it. Even still, I've played nids exclusively for a year and you really have to move to finish 2k games in a time limit. Assaults with multiple initiatives, rending, armor, and FnP really slow the game down.

Tomorrow should be a lot better as hopefully the most experienced players play under the camera at a better pace with more solid rules knowledge.

Tiny bit of validation perhaps... thanks hyv3mynd.

whoadirty -
I would consider myself sort of a novice player, so it's interesting to see some of these guys not know the codex they are using. Or they are cheating. Just watched a Tyranid player playing against Grey Knights and when his Tervigon died, he said he only had to put wounds on one squad. There were a couple other instances I have seen in another game (for an army I don't even play) where the guy had to look up the rules. Is this common? I kind of expected guys to know their codex at a tourney like this.

This was a huge mistake on my part - and was so concerned about the slowplay aspects was not about to look into a rulebook unless forced to; and Andrew just said play on. I should have had this one down though.

Warlocke21 wrote:Hey all - I was "that tyranid player".....
.....This was a huge mistake on my part - and was so concerned about the slowplay aspects was not about to look into a rulebook unless forced to; and Andrew just said play on. I should have had this one down though.

Two thumbs up for "manning" up. As I said in my quoted post, I chalked up a lot of what I saw to you being a newer player. We have all been there at one time or another...
...most of us didn't have to do it while our games were being recorded!

@Warlocke21:

Thanks for the rundown of your experience and for talking about what happened - I don't envy you having to be on camera for multiple games without a ton of 5e experience.

@sharkticon:

People at the NOVA open would obviously be more laid back because they're busy playing their own games. Only people not playing have time to watch the games that are being streamed unless they're going back to their hotel after playing 4 games of 40k to go watch another game of 40k.

If the stream is there, and you watch it, and you see someone doing something illegal, especially something like model replacement which is often easy to hide from an opponent...it's kind of stupid not to call it cheating. Rules mistakes can always be explained away by confusion or brain farts or just not knowing and always playing it wrong until called...but this would be different. There's no reason to accuse people of having grudges...they watched a game and saw something. Are you actively NOT seeing this happen in the stream? Do you think he just pulled the model from the wrong unit first? It seems pretty straightforward.

Some things of note:

Blackmoor being a true class act and putting the controversy of his game to rest, and now an admittedly "new" tyranid player owning up, posting, and being, again, a class act about his experience.

Who says sportsmanship and class are dead in 40k? This, in my opinion, is the true state of the 40k community these days!

Hoard armies are hard to play in a competitive enviroment (lots and lots of models to move). But that is no excuse for others (mech boys) to hate on them.
I did notice that the set up time for the GK player was quite long compared to the size of his army.

Props for making it to the top tables, Ghostin. You did a lot better than some of us armchair generals would have done. I can't imagine how I would have performed under a camera with 125 nerds watching me. I'm sure it was a humbling experience for many of us watching and made us feel more human in reflecting on our own tournament performances in the past.