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 Savageconvoy wrote:
Except that if flyers are really a problem for you, the Broadsides won't really do much more than the previous version. If it's true then the 85pt S8 version will be 20% increase in cost to go from 20% chance to penetrate an A12 flyer to 25% chance. Though if they throw in Missile pods vice SMS, then I could see them being very expensive but useful AA platforms. Maybe Railguns won't be the only primary weapon for them, and maybe we'll get access to some of that weird new Ion weaponry that seems to be good at messing up vehicles.

And I wonder if the large blast Ion Accelerator will be worth it. I doubt it's large blast, because why would you ever fire it as S7 AP3?


And how would suits carry seeker missiles? I don't remember a mention of Seeker missiles being replenishable, so they'd probably still be one shot weaponry. They're large, so they'd probably take a hardpoint on a suit or just be prohibitively expensive.


One word, Range. Imo seeker missiles should become a skyray only thing and be unlimited.

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Yeah, telling people how this and that is 'garbage' and they should just throw their minis into the trash as they're not as efficient as XYZ.

 Peregrine wrote:
So the solution is to lie and pretend that certain options are effective so people will feel better?
 
   
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I agree. I mean, why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free kind of applies. You get seeker missiles, for a better cost, split between multiple vehicles you already purchased, and don't take up a Heavy Support choice.

I'm expecting an Imperial Knights supplement dedicated to GW's loyalist apologetics. Codex: White Knights "In the grim dark future, everything is fine."

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 Kingsley wrote:
 Sidstyler wrote:
As for Tau fluff, it always irritated me how people basically summed them up as the "animu army" and nothing more. Tau are a lot more interesting than that, personally I liked how they felt like the most "modern" of every 40k army, even the reliance on drones is kinda topical right now and personally I wish they'd do more with that instead. I don't have very high hopes for the new codex because it seems the people left in the design studio are subscribing to that "animu" mentality as well, because the best idea they can come up with for a new unit is a stupid fething anime trope.


I remember reading that Tau were heavily influenced by anime tropes in the designer notes published in White Dwarf when Tau first came out back in 3rd edition. Retaining that influence doesn't mean the design studio has become corrupt-- it's what they were thinking in the first place!


I know full well what influenced them. My point was that there was still more to Tau than anime tropes, and I think we would be better off if the studio explored/expanded on that more instead of going even more over-the-top with them. Just because they were designed to be the anime army doesn't mean that's what they should always be, and just because something is "anime" doesn't mean it automatically fits in with Tau, either. The giant mecha suit is very anime, but the "riptide" just sounds like it'll look out of place in an army with smaller, faster suits and grav tanks/speeders. An army that was previously established as not fielding units much bigger than crisis suits because they were impractical. If there's enemy armor that the hammerhead or the superheavy version (the name of which I can't remember, "swordfish" I think?) can't handle then that's where the aircraft come in.

In any case I'm obviously reserving final judgment for when the gak actually comes out, I'm just saying, right now I'm not too thrilled.

 Kingsley wrote:
 Sidstyler wrote:
Add to that fact that our rumored flyers are apparently garbage, AV10 with S6 guns...seriously, the technologically bakcwards Imperium can strap no less than three twin-linked lascannons to their aircraft, but the Tau, despite having done this before with the tigershark, can't figure out how to put a single rail weapon on theirs? I sincerely hope the new flyers have some bs wargear that makes up for their paper-thin armor because I don't imagine GW selling very many of these kits otherwise, and of course in the end it won't be because GW wrote stupid fething rules for it, but because "Tau aren't popular anymore, let's not look at updating them again for at least a decade." In any case, there doesn't seem to be much here for a Tau player to get excited about.


Wait and see. Personally, as a Tau player I am very excited. Your mileage may vary, of course, but I think things are looking really good. Keep in mind also that if the Broadside rumors are true, Tau won't need air superiority flyers-- air-to-ground will have it covered, so the air force will be free to wreak havoc on the enemy ground units.


We'll see I guess.

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 Sidstyler wrote:
GW are already on thin ice with me after what they did with Dark Eldar, buying into that army and rewarding them for finally listening to the fanbase that had been asking for them literally every single year at Games Day was probably one of the worst things I could have ever done, second only to buying into this gakky fething game in the first place. I don't think I've ever felt more betrayed (by a games company anyway).


Uh, what?


I kept crying for Dark Eldar to be updated, like a lot of other people in the community were, every time GW put out more boring Space Marine crap and DE continued to rot in limbo for 9, 10, 11+ years. People implied that DE wouldn't ever get redone because they just wouldn't sell, and people like me weren't capable of putting our money where our mouth is and buying 2000 point armies when and if they finally ever got redone. So when DE were finally revealed at Games Day I pre-ordered some and fast got to work building a rather large army of them. I couldn't afford to buy a full 2000 points right off the bat, obviously, but I kept buying for months. Then after a while it became more and more apparent that the codex wasn't as good as we first thought, especially after Grey Knights came out. Now with the advent of 6th DE are even worse off, because DE can't take objectives, they have no units durable enough to reliably hold them either, our flyers are made of paper and have crappy guns, and we can't ally with anyone but Eldar who also have a lot of the same problems, so we can't make up for any of those crippling weaknesses, either.

Basically, I'm angry because I spent all that money supporting GW and the DE release and I don't feel like I even have a viable army out of the deal anymore. DE aren't really worth running right now, and the codex is barely two years old. Combined with GW's various other shenanigans it's going to take a lot to convince me to spend more money on them. Tau are my favorite army, so if they feth that up I'm done, lol.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
And how would suits carry seeker missiles? I don't remember a mention of Seeker missiles being replenishable, so they'd probably still be one shot weaponry. They're large, so they'd probably take a hardpoint on a suit or just be prohibitively expensive.


I'd like to imagine the suit carrying it in his hands and throwing it like a football.

FrozenSoul80 wrote:
Speculation on codex contents aside, what date do we normally see White Dwarf leaks?


With the Daemons release I don't think we saw leaks until a few days before they went up for advance order. There's a good chance we probably won't see anything until the last minute.

fething pretre, I originally typed "leeks"...lol.


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It seems very hard to play a game of 40k without being TFG anymore. If you play a certain army, you are TFG, if you don't play a certain army you are TFG, if you like to win you are TFG, if you don't care about winning and don't play competitive lists you are TFG, if you play by the rules you are TFG, if you want to make up your own rules you are TFG, if you want to play a FW army you are TFG, if you don't want to play against a FW army you are TFG.
 
   
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 Sidstyler wrote:
 ShatteredBlade wrote:
If they keep with the terrible block look of the crisis suits it'd kill it for me.


I'm just assuming this "no suits" rumor is bs, based on how utterly fething stupid GW would have to be to ignore quite literally the entire Tau fanbase again, who have all been begging for new crisis suits since even before the Tau Empire update. Tau players already have all the suits they'll ever need, that are either fully magnetized or they're prepared to rip off old weapons and glue new ones on if optimal load-outs change (which is what I've been doing myself all this time because I couldn't be bothered to feth with magnets and how do they work anyway?), so repackaging the same old ugly suits isn't going to make them any more money, except from these so-called "new players" who people insist are still buying into GW despite the prices being so stupidly high (this gak was off-putting to me even back in 2006-07, I debated with myself for weeks before I finally bought my first Tau models, a troop+transport deal at my local store, and after that a battleforce that I got a 10% discount on), but they would have to buy the new ones anyway, so new designs will still make more money. Refusing to update this ugly kit once again is just deliberate trolling, I don't know how else to describe it.

As for Tau fluff, it always irritated me how people basically summed them up as the "animu army" and nothing more. Tau are a lot more interesting than that, personally I liked how they felt like the most "modern" of every 40k army, even the reliance on drones is kinda topical right now and personally I wish they'd do more with that instead. I don't have very high hopes for the new codex because it seems the people left in the design studio are subscribing to that "animu" mentality as well, because the best idea they can come up with for a new unit is a stupid fething anime trope. I like big robots just fine, but it doesn't fit with Tau design philosophy, and reeks too much of someone thinking "Well Tau are anime so they need Gundams."


Yeah, I'm not big with mega-suit idea myself either. Large monsters lose their appeal when every army is shoehorned one. I guess in next Space Marine codex there will be "Thunderknight"...and "Riptide" is a daft name, I hope it's something else. Also definitely agree with whole "Tau is anime" thing being overblown, Eldar are just as if not more anime-influenced, but for some reason nobody ever seems to have issue with it.

It would be humongous disappointment indeed if there will be no new model fo XV-8. Current one is not great, and particularly Broadside is fugly and ungainly. What I'm looking from the new book is a way to again play Mont'ka. Mostly this would necessite Devilfishes and troop choices being better and more survivable than they presently are.


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Neko wrote:Seeker missiles can now be carried on suits

The Dude wrote:More info is coming to light regarding the Tau release. What I've personally heard is:

Aun'shi is rumoured to be returning.

Two new characters are said to be included.

One character is a tank commander (presumably a vehicle upgrade) like Pask from the IG Codex. He is supposedly in a Hammerhead and allows it to overwatch.

The other Character allows Fire Warriors to consolidate after Overwatch.

So it seems Overwatch is going to be the Tau's special trick, at least from a Fire Warrior perspective.

The large suit thats been rumoured for a while is supposedly called the Riptide. It is a Jump Monstrous Creature armed with Ion Cannon and standard Battlesuit support weapons.

The Ion Cannon can reportedly use two fire modes, Heavy 3 (possibly 4) and single shot Large Blast.

I have heard of the following releases:
Riptide large suit
Flyer dual kit (fighter and bomber)
New Battlesuit and Broadside models (not sure if these dual kit or not)
Plastic Pathfinders

A new Fire Warrior HQ (not sure if the special character mentioned above or a generic one)

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LoL seeker missle on a suit.
Im kinda upset about the riptide not having Railcannons, but im fine with an Ioncannon. I just hope they give it more options.

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I hope they aren't seriously entertaining the thought of having only a single unit with greater than S8 shooting in a Tau codex.
   
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Oh thinking about it though, was that crazy skyray rumor about plasma corrosion whatchamacallit? debunked?
   
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This is all still very much rumour so all, some or none of it may come true

we all need to wait for WD leaks to get any real idea

 
   
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Don't think it was flat out debunked, but it was a mention from early play testing.

Which also makes me think that the rumor of the Ion weapons causing shutdowns won't be seen.

So if Tau max out at 3 S9+ weapons and we don't get the Ion Cannon system shutdown rule, then it may be hard to handle A13/14. Which is interesting since the two armies I've had the most trouble with are mech/blob IG and Necron mech heavy lists.

I'm expecting an Imperial Knights supplement dedicated to GW's loyalist apologetics. Codex: White Knights "In the grim dark future, everything is fine."

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Not if we tak fusion blasters or, y;know hammerheads.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Not if we tak fusion blasters or, y;know hammerheads.

Try reading the post above you again.
Mech IG doesn't give a flying gak about your fusion blasters, so hammerheads are your best bet if they are the only thing left with the big guns, but if capped at 3.....you're boned.
   
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More likely capped at 6. Two primary detachments at 2k points.

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I guess I should have specified it as long range Anti-tank weaponry. Wasn't that one of the finer points to Tau? Great anti-tank weaponry for long range combat.

If we were stuck to Fusion Blasters then we would still be behind any MEQ army that can bring meltas and speeders with multi-meltas, not to mention that any army with Lascanon Devastators will be better than Tau at long range anti-armor.

I'm expecting an Imperial Knights supplement dedicated to GW's loyalist apologetics. Codex: White Knights "In the grim dark future, everything is fine."

"The argument is that we have to do this or we will, bit by bit,
lose everything that we hold dear, everything that keeps the business going. Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky."
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Neko over at Warseer wrote:Has anyone mentioned yet that Pathfinders get new experimental toys to play with? I think they're ion based too, so they may even be truely mind-blowing like the rail rifles before them

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mind-blowing like the rail rifles before them


Were rail rifles ever good?

I'm expecting an Imperial Knights supplement dedicated to GW's loyalist apologetics. Codex: White Knights "In the grim dark future, everything is fine."

"The argument is that we have to do this or we will, bit by bit,
lose everything that we hold dear, everything that keeps the business going. Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky."
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No.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
It seems very hard to play a game of 40k without being TFG anymore. If you play a certain army, you are TFG, if you don't play a certain army you are TFG, if you like to win you are TFG, if you don't care about winning and don't play competitive lists you are TFG, if you play by the rules you are TFG, if you want to make up your own rules you are TFG, if you want to play a FW army you are TFG, if you don't want to play against a FW army you are TFG.
 
   
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Oh... so mind blowing in the sense of "Why would they make this?"

I'm expecting an Imperial Knights supplement dedicated to GW's loyalist apologetics. Codex: White Knights "In the grim dark future, everything is fine."

"The argument is that we have to do this or we will, bit by bit,
lose everything that we hold dear, everything that keeps the business going. Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky."
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via shaso_iceborn over on Warseer
The mini ally dex has to my understanding been incorporated into the codex at the beginning of the book and will no longer be a separate compendium.

There is a Kroot HQ, but not in the conventional sense and he cannot command "Tau" forces (unless they bring back Prok but I have heard nothing on him)

Farsight will have a new model, it looks similar to the gamesday one.

Rail Rifles, Rail Guns, and Rail Cannons are the way they are distinguishing different rail type weapons in the new codex.

There will be 2 "new" special characters, one we may have seen before. (Aun'shi I think but do not have confirmation)

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When are we likely to see the first white dwarf snippets? Middle of next week?

Looking forward to seeing what this stuff looks like and seeing if it is indeed an April release.

Can anyone confirm if they are April confirmed?
   
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 Savageconvoy wrote:
Oh... so mind blowing in the sense of "Why would they make this?"


I think the rumor meant mind blowing in the sense of malfunctioning and blowing up the user's brain like the original Rail Rifle prototypes did.

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The white dward snippets come out when we get lucky. There is no real expected time for them. That's if we even see anything until the White Dwarf is actually released.

And it's only confirmed when they put pre-orders up on the website.

I'm expecting an Imperial Knights supplement dedicated to GW's loyalist apologetics. Codex: White Knights "In the grim dark future, everything is fine."

"The argument is that we have to do this or we will, bit by bit,
lose everything that we hold dear, everything that keeps the business going. Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky."
-Tom Kirby 
   
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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
LoL seeker missle on a suit.


If true, this would likely mean new suit models. GW nowadays doesn't typically add wargear options to a unit that aren't included in the kit.

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 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
via shaso_iceborn over on Warseer
There is a Kroot HQ, but not in the conventional sense and he cannot command "Tau" forces (unless they bring back Prok but I have heard nothing on him)


So does anyone have any idea what this means? Are we looking at either A) the Kroot HQ can only take Kroot & Tau Allied xenos (Vespid and what not), but not Tau units as a whole or B) the Kroot HQ is a similar case to the FW Wraithseer, it can be a HQ but not the main HQ if using Tau units.

Either way I would love to build a full Kroot army, hopefully they will get a big boost and new weapons (Anti-tank) with the upcoming dex.


   
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 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
via shaso_iceborn over on Warseer
The mini ally dex has to my understanding been incorporated into the codex at the beginning of the book and will no longer be a separate compendium.

You should check this thread (esp. the previous page), if something Natfka finally found on Warseer, isn't already posted here, like this quote.

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Kroothawk's Malifaux Blog http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/455759.page
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 Rolt wrote:
 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
via shaso_iceborn over on Warseer
There is a Kroot HQ, but not in the conventional sense and he cannot command "Tau" forces (unless they bring back Prok but I have heard nothing on him)


So does anyone have any idea what this means? Are we looking at either A) the Kroot HQ can only take Kroot & Tau Allied xenos (Vespid and what not), but not Tau units as a whole or B) the Kroot HQ is a similar case to the FW Wraithseer, it can be a HQ but not the main HQ if using Tau units.

Either way I would love to build a full Kroot army, hopefully they will get a big boost and new weapons (Anti-tank) with the upcoming dex.
For me it looks like the Kroot HQ could not join Tau-units/anything but Kroot and probably you would need a Tau HQ too.

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What it is sounding like to me is that the Kroot will be an "ally" that may be taken either in addition to allies from the chart or in place of the ally chart. They will likely have a rule allowing the Kroot to be taken as allies with other armies, using the "Tau Empire" section of the allies chart to see their alliance type.

Leaving the Vespid in the actual Tau Empire units would then be justified by saying that they are fully inducted members of the empire, where Kroot are often mentioned as close allies.

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Looks like there was no Crisis suit resculpt. ergh.
The Riptide looks a little comical and blocky, but probably will be better in person
Flyers are also no too exciting.

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Snufflesms wrote:




Looks like there was no Crisis suit resculpt. ergh.
The Riptide looks a little comical and blocky, but probably will be better in person
Flyers are also no too exciting.


I like the general look, wish I could get some closer pictures though.

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