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Cheesecake-Term use to describe pictures of provocatively clad, sexually attractive women.

Let me try to simplify everything and begin the discussion. Here are the defendants.







The main thing is: "INFINITY has released 5 cheesecake models in the same month" That has unchained a discussion in many forums. DakkDakka cannot stay away from this question:

Cheesecake: is it is suitable for wargaming or completely inappropriate?

Can we tolerate this lack of decency in our brutal deadly war scenarios? Can we tolerate sex while enjoying war?

Discuss gently.

What does the term 'cheesecake' mean, exactly?

I see nothing wrong with these models.

It's part of Infinity IMHO, so personally I think its okay.

Yeah, what are you on about? This sounds like spam.

Thank you for the clarification.

The Dreadnote wrote:Yeah, what are you on about? This sounds like spam.

It's not, this is to save the Infinity thread from a potential flame war.

I personally love cheesecake, especially with that raspberry sauce stuff on top, or cherry pie filling.

I think only Proxy 3 is questionable and I have seen more risque models on a table than that (Ah the joys of being a young lad during the days of metal deamonettes)

Given the inspiration material for these models, and the obvious target market coupled with the artistic style and presentation of the game material, they are entirely appropriate.

EDIT: and still far more clothed/equipped than many of the inspirational materials for the game

Cheesecake is a term for girl pin-up art.

Beefacke is the male counterpart.

I had to spend some time on google to find this definition.

I apologise for the opening post. I should have clarified the term:

Cheesecake-Term use to describe pictures of provocatively clad, sexually attractive women.

I'll add this to the opening post.

Those are not the models in question.

This is what we don't like:

You have a model like this:



A fairly good model, correct? Now, imagine putting him side by side with her:



Why hello, nice fine bum.

Now, in Ariadna, you have this:



standing side by side with this:



Notice the nice see through shirt.



For a major example, look at this model:



She has half of her top armor missing, exposing most of her body; impractical? completely. Necesarry? No. Not only that, but she is wearing a shirt over it, for no reason to give her Under Boob.

Compare that to this:



Fully covered, exactly like the male counterpart.

I was once told that "Some Comments made by Wargamers really give us a bad name", nah, it's mostly the fact that women are all objects in these games.

All your pics are broken

Working on my computer.

People need to complain about things, perhaps because we do not yet in the most "interesting times".

There is nothing wrong with these models in any sense.

I know why this thread has been started, and I commend Bobbafett for doing so, especially as it saves a more important thread from this type of pointless discussion.

After living through the "nude miniatures" discussion, this just sounds like pointless moaning on a certain individuals part, who contends that they are put off from buying the miniatures for a certain faction because they are not "hardcore" enough.....well, I say keep your money, maybe spend it at GW or PP, whatever, you've made your point now lets drop it and move on....

The great thing about freedom of purchase is that you don't have to buy them, and yes, I'm sure CB will loose a whole nights sleep knowing they've lost you as a customer....don't worry, I'll buy double the miniatures to make up for your departure from the game.

There, case closed.

Infinity website does not allow to link images directly from its server.

I suggest upload to other server and... aahhhh (sigh).... allow me...


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Slarg232 wrote:Those are not the models in question.

This is what we don't like:

You have a model like this:



A fairly good model, correct? Now, imagine putting him side by side with her:



Why hello, nice fine bum.

Now, in Ariadna, you have this:



standing side by side with this:



Notice the nice see through shirt.



For a major example, look at this model:



She has half of her top armor missing, exposing most of her body; impractical? completely. Necesarry? No. Not only that, but she is wearing a shirt over it, for no reason to give her Under Boob.

Compare that to this:



Fully covered, exactly like the male counterpart.

I was once told that "Some Comments made by Wargamers really give us a bad name", nah, it's mostly the fact that women are all objects in these games.

Slarg232 wrote:Working on my computer.

No, your pics are broken. They are still in the cache in your computer, thus YOU can see them. Check your links and try again.

Vaktathi wrote:Given the inspiration material for these models, and the obvious target market coupled with the artistic style and presentation of the game material, they are entirely appropriate.

Agreed. It all comes down to context. And the context of Infinity as I see it is a sexy technological future inspired by everything from Blade Runner to Ghost in the Shell- I'll remind everyone that the movie version of the last one features an anatomically correct cyborg woman who must take all her clothes off in order to activate her thermoptic camoflage.

Cheescat? No, cheesecat isn't appropriate for tabletop games.

Of course it is. I can't believe people get into a tiff about these things.

One of the reasons I picked up Infinity. However not the only reason, and I'm just as eager to seem a well dressed and fully clothed female model as a sexy one.

I just like having the diversity in my forces, if a system says that nigh on 100% of the army is gender neutral, then dammit I want the same for my own armies.

Fed up of having to scrimp and search for some female models to add character to my force, when fluff says there should be loads available.

Had the issue with my Dark Elves, Guard and Eldar in the past. Heck I even wanted a male Banshee figure, book says there are male Banshees, then give me a fig, one out of seven isn't going to break the line.

Even if they just released five or six metal/finecast female Guard stand in's over the varying units, I'd be happy.

okay on typing that, it is a slight tangent to the main focus of this thread, but Its something I wanted to add in the infinity thread but did not wish to derail it.

So on-topic.. nope, no issue with them in wargamming for me.

Well I guess it's official. I'm an old guy. First thing that came to my mind was the actual cheese cake. Never heard the girl reference before.

To be fair I ony knew as it came up on Dakka before, before then I'd never heard of it either. I had assumed it was an American thing, but your country of origion puts that to bed.

Sex has no place in the fantasy world of people who rarely experience it in the real world, even though violence does and is equally not present.

Or something.

Delephont wrote:People need to complain about things, perhaps because we do not yet in the most "interesting times".

There is nothing wrong with these models in any sense.

I know why this thread has been started, and I commend Bobbafett for doing so, especially as it saves a more important thread from this type of pointless discussion.

After living through the "nude miniatures" discussion, this just sounds like pointless moaning on a certain individuals part, who contends that they are put off from buying the miniatures for a certain faction because they are not "hardcore" enough.....well, I say keep your money, maybe spend it at GW or PP, whatever, you've made your point now lets drop it and move on....

Since you clearly are hung up on the fact that it's simply the "hardcore" aspect that puts me off...it's not.
Those models for Ariadna?
They do not fit the rest of the range. They look like they belong on a pinup calendar, not as part of the army proper. They're very clearly overemphasizing the "female" aspect of the models. If there was some other option available within the range, it would not be a big deal. But there aren't other options, so it is a big deal in my eyes.
As it stands, for Ariadna, Nomads, and ALEPH you have to sacrifice part of the character/visual aspect of your force to be able to field some effective options. It's not even a question of the paint-job being a problem, it's the pose and the sculpt.

Now before you rip off on a completely fallacious assumption: I'm not saying they are poor quality or "GW does it better". I'm saying they are poor decisions on Corvus Belli's part, and the justification of "The Daktari sells well!" won't fly.

I think almost all those models are great. They're feminine but practical generally. The one in the thong sticking her ass out is a bit much but could be worse. When I read the topic title I figured it was about those anime girl models that have been popping up a lot recently. Then again, those are for an anime RPG/skirmish game so I guess they're appropriate there.

Ok let me get this straight. Models that have death,murder,gore,and cult worship on them your fine with, But models that look and act sexxy are wrong?


Maybe I'm just old but violance and sexxy woman have gone hand in hand in all genres. from She-ra to blade to star wars even to who framed roger rabbit, and G.I.Joe it has always been there.

A model can be great but not fit with the rest of the range. One does not preclude the other, despite the assumptions of some.

Lormax wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:Working on my computer.

No, your pics are broken. They are still in the cache in your computer, thus YOU can see them. Check your links and try again.

They came directly from the Infinity site.

Slarg232 wrote:

Lormax wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:Working on my computer.

No, your pics are broken. They are still in the cache in your computer, thus YOU can see them. Check your links and try again.

They came directly from the Infinity site.

Infinity doesn't allow hotlinking, hence why I was using URLs.

I am also trying to figure out how the posthumans are not appropriate for a line that already includes.







*scratches head*