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So I thought i had ordered Warmachine Rulebook Prime MK II Hardcover, however i ordered Hordes Rulebook Primal MK II Hardcover.

how different are the rules book?

Any one want to trade?

Barring resource systems (Focus vs. Fury) and model rules, the two are pretty much identical.

makes me feel a bit better, i feel so stupid

You can do somethings with fury that you can't do with focus, and you can do some things with focus that you can't do with fury.

Do you have the quickstart rules? That should get you started on what focus does until you sort out this issue. But as others have said, the rules are mostly the same.

Warmachine vs. Hordes

Warmachine has focus, warcasters and warjacks
Hordes has fury, warlocks and warbeasts

Differences:

Focus on a warcaster increases their armor.
(Fury on a warlock lets them transfer damage done to them to a warbeast)

Focus goes away at the start of the turn and the warcaster regenerates his focus pool.
(Fury is generated by warbeasts and leached by warlocks)

Focus is allocated in the control phase.
(Fury is generated during a warbeast's turn)

You can allocate focus and move a warjack outside of its controller control area and still spend focus.
(Warbeasts MUST remain in the warlock's control area in order to generate fury).

Warjacks can only be ever allocated 3 focus.
(Warbeasts can generate as many fury as their Fury stat, which is typically 3 but can go as high as 5)

Warjacks are constructs.
(Warbeasts are living models)

Warcasters tend to have more spells than warlocks.
(Warlocks get extra spells called an animus from their warbeasts)

(Warlocks can heal their warbeasts)

Knockdown a warjack in water and it becomes in active.
(Leave a warbeast too much fury, and there's a chance you 'll
lose control of the warbeast)

Warjacks have 4-5 systems that reduce their effectiveness when
they're destroyed. They need cortex to get focus, weapon
arms to use those weapons effectively, and movement to
charge and have a regular defense stat.
(Warbeasts have three aspects that reduce their effectiveness
when they're destroyed. Loss of mind reduces ALL attack
rolls, Loss of Body reduces ALL damage rolls, and loss of spirit
prevents all forcing of the warbeast),


Similarities

Both focus and fury can be used to heal.

Both focus and fury can be used to shake effects.

Both focus and fury can be used to charge, boost, or buy attacks.

All other rules are pretty much the same.

I must take issue with the statement that all warbeasts are living models. The circle has warbeasts that are constructs (megalith and all the wolds).

Take issue.

By default, a warjack is a construct. A special rule needs to tell you if it is otherwise.

By default, a warbeast is living. You will see the construct or undead icon on those that are not.

Construct or Undead are "advantages" that certain warbeasts have over other warbeasts. But yes, the default state for a warbeast is "living", while the default sate for a warmachine is "non-living/construct".

I just have to ask a related question to the topic of constructs.

When you destroy a warjack, you place a wreckmarker there. The same goes for warbeasts that are constructs I recon? Even shifting stones, which are constructs but not warbeasts?

no wreck/corpse markers for anything except jacks. not even battle engines create wrecks.

Only Jacks leave wreck markers. Warbeasts of any kind do not leave wreck markers. Shifting stones are units so they don't leave wreck markers either. Being a construct has nothing to do with markers being placed.

To give a little clerification on the healing with focus/fury.

Warlocks can use fury to heal themselves or warbeasts.

Warcasters can only use focus to heal them. Although ret does allow healing of shields through focus. But that has to come from the warjack not the warcaster. And only if G isnt destroyed.