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I need a bit of help.... I have to option of 12 more deffcoptas or a battle wagon.
I play frequently against Grey knights and imperial guard what do you suggest?

I have no experience against GK, but 12 Koptas seem to me to be the better option, especially if you're up against a parking lot.

It all depends on the rest of your list of course, but the Battlewagon would be easier to take down (especially with IG) and 12 TL rokkits + say, 9 PF attacks will put a lot more hurt on opposing armour.

(+ of course it's the more original option)

thanks that will put my total up to 23 deffcoptas!

How will you fit more than 15 Deffkoptas in an army though?

I'd say buy the koptas. They're good conversion fodder; you can turn the extras into warbuggies or bikes without a whole lot of trouble (well, SOME trouble, but not too much). Plus, they look cool.

You won't be able to field 23 koptas in a single army, of course. And you wouldn't want to anyway, they're not really that useful in large units.

Personally I'd field them in groups of 3, with Rokkits and 1 Buzzsaw per group.

I think I must be missing out on a meme here.

I like koptas in units of 1 or 5. making the maximum usually 15.

Planet strike seems utterly unfair to orks anyway, but I think I would prefer battlewagons given you will charging towards a small concentrated enemy when you can take a good number of koptas.

Apoc. there seems to be an awesome formation for them but they seem even more hit and miss.

Units of five koptaz do well until your opponent realizes that he can simply tank shock them off the board.
LD7 in a 300+ points unit which falls back 3d6 is not a good thing.

Unless you plan on converting the kopaz into buggies, you should get the battlewagon. Outside of apocalypse that many koptaz are not useful.

TiB wrote:How will you fit more than 15 Deffkoptas in an army though?

I play Apocolypse