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Hi guys
Again I am organising a tournament at games of war in seaham, This will be the last tournament I organise for a while due to growing family, so I am hoping to finish my run with a bang.
Now the basics again it will be 1750 on Saturday and 2250 on Sunday, and as usual a variety of missions will be played on the two days, there will be a few changes.
First victory points will be used as a tie break not kill points !!!
Secondly no stupid proxies ie cardboard cut outs if the model doesn't exist find a suitable replacement or ask for a solution
Third I am asking for people's opinions of using chapter approved/ forge world although anyone wishing to use any forgeworld models/rules I would ask if you could forward the rule to me sharp ish so I can look these over, also these should be approved for use in 40k and no superheavies or any thing with mass or structure points

As always any rules queries should also be posted on here so we can discuss prior to the event
Any further questions just ask

Awesome!!

I can't believe you've managed to get a date sorted so soon after the last one.

This is likely to be my last tournament of 5th edition too. I might have to prepare something special for it!

How will victory points be calculated?

Im obviously there

I'l be there with chaos this time .

I will not be able to make it unless it can (possibly?) be rescheduled to the 23rd & .24th, if anybody particularly wants to fight me. If not then, oh well. I'll be there next time though

No it can't be changed nids as I work and can only arrange them around my very few and far between weekends off

Ok then, I'll see you all at the first 6th ed tourney.

So does anyone have any thoughts on using forgeworld ?

How about a certain points limit being able to be spent on forgeworld stuff? and I also think your right to go along the lines of no super heavys or anything with structure points.

or you could make it the TO's call , submit your list in advance and see if your allowed or not

Wittman79 wrote:So does anyone have any thoughts on using forgeworld ?

Personally, im not that big of a fan on Imperial Armour gear.

Forgeworld models, hey sure.

Forgeworld rules...personally, no but there it is.

As long as you stick with the "40k approved" IA units should be good. Here's a link to what I would use with my tau http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/t/Tauupdate.pdf. Probably the tetras and perhaps the sensor tower. Hardly over powered!

EYIG

Embrace your inner geek wrote:As long as you stick with the "40k approved" IA units should be good. Here's a link to what I would use with my tau http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/t/Tauupdate.pdf. Probably the tetras and perhaps the sensor tower. Hardly over powered!

EYIG

Link appears to be broken. :/

So it is. Look on the forge world site, home page in the download sections.

EYIG

As we spoke on Saturday, I would like to field either thuddguns/heavy mortars or my Tauros squadrons. The IA units I want to bring are less points efficient than the choices I need to take out of my normal list to fit them in.

To give a feel of the rules for people who dont have access to them.

Thuddgun; Artillery, S 5, AP 5, 4 small blasts, multiple barrage, immobile, can fire for two turns then must miss a turn to reload so four turns of shooting in an average game. The big downer is its immobile. DOW deployment means it needs a towing Centaur or deep striking deployment. A mortar HWS can put out more blasts (S 4) in a comparable game at 2/3rds of the points cost and is scoring.

Heavy Mortar is an immobile Griffon with the same deployment problems as the Thudd Gun. The Mortar and tow costs more than a Griffon.

A 3 vehicle Tauros Venerators Squadron costs 160% more than a Vendetta that normally takes up the FA slot for the same firepower (3 TLLC). The squadron is more durable for cover save/ hit allocation but is open topped AV11/10/10 and has no transport capacity.

My other tauros squadron of 3 vehicles is 5 pts less than a Vendetta and is armed with two heavy flamers and a 2 shot grenade launcher with AV10 all round.

The original IA books 1 & 2 did have some OP rules but I think later IA books have become more in line with the current game.

As has been pointed out by others no mass points & no structure points keep the choices in check but also I would think about no Flyers that dont have the skimmer rule.

To be fair from what I have seen so far there doesn't appear to be anything ott or decisive from fw or ia
I certainly don't have too much of an issue with them at present but will bow to general consensus on this subject

If I play Tau I would also onyl be using Tetras and Sensor Towers. But if I play with Blood Angels again I doubt I will use any Forge World/Imperial Armour models/units. But looking forward to this one had good fun last time.

Id have no problem whatsoever playing against FW , I think one thing that may be an issue is the unknown factor? maybe the To could get the lists in a couple of weeks out and post them online. this would allow people to read up on any FW/IA units being used?

For Example if Hesh tank on hadnt have told me what the stuff he wanted to take did , Id have been sh*tting myself till I read up on it. So time to prepare and know the enemy could be crucial

Also @Hesh , how do kill points work for the tow vehicle?

masterjock wrote:Id have no problem whatsoever playing against FW , I think one thing that may be an issue is the unknown factor? maybe the To could get the lists in a couple of weeks out and post them online. this would allow people to read up on any FW/IA units being used?

For Example if Hesh tank on hadnt have told me what the stuff he wanted to take did , Id have been sh*tting myself till I read up on it. So time to prepare and know the enemy could be crucial

Also @Hesh , how do kill points work for the tow vehicle?

^ this

Most of the time, in NON-IA games, you can guess what everyone is bringing and prepare accordingly.

So knowing everything thats going to be fielded IA-wise, might make it a bit more...fair.

Example, i KNOW there will be GK players, and I KNOW someone will field Draigo, so i'll bring X unit to counter him .

Even though I ain't gonna be there, I can see wolfie's point

Pre posting lists is a good idea.

EYIG

Pre posting list may be an option
I agree with the fear of the unknown, ok so taking it further what about full lists of ia such as eylsians ?

Wittman79 wrote:so taking it further what about full lists of ia such as eylsians ?

Much as I would like my Elysians to take the field on mass I think it is a step to far, the IA army lists contain a lot of army specific rules and equipment all needed to be remembered by the opponent instead of one or two rules for a couple of IA units.

Also the Elysians are pants and their history is only full of famous last stands (one of which will be this Saturday against Ratwolfs 'Nids)

Embrace your inner geek wrote:Pre posting lists is a good idea.

Happy with doing that and will be bringing the IA book I use to FOW in the preceding weeks.

masterjock wrote:Also @Hesh , how do kill points work for the tow vehicle?

I have always played it as a dedicated transport so 1 KP for the Gun, 1 KP for the Towing Vehicle.

Remember using victory points as tie breaker in this one
Kill points only in annhilation game

Hesh_Tank_On wrote:

Also the Elysians are pants and their history is only full of famous last stands (one of which will be this Saturday against Ratwolfs 'Nids)

.

Are you?

I thought I was playing Elliot due to you and everyother mug playing Fantasy.

RatWolf wrote:]Are you?

Aarons bringing his fantasy Orcs and having a practice game against Jacob. I dont have fantasy so was bringing Elysians like we talked about Saturday

Hesh_Tank_On wrote:

RatWolf wrote:]Are you?

Aarons bringing his fantasy Orcs and having a practice game against Jacob. I dont have fantasy so was bringing Elysians like we talked about Saturday

aaaah, I recall.

If you still want to, then i dont see why not.

RatWolf wrote:IIf you still want to

Yes, I will bring a Detachment 99 1750pts Army

D-99 Special Rules:

All of the following squads selected as part of a D-99 Detachment army gain the Surgical Enhancement and Preferred Enemy (Tyranids) special rules:
Elysian Company Command Squad, Elysian Special Weapon Squad, Elysian Veteran Squad.

Surgical Enhancement: A unit subject to this rule gains +1 Initiative and the Stubborn special rule.

Each of these squads cost an additional 20 points each to reflect these abilities.

Youll be glad to know you cant have Vendettas in the Army

Hesh_Tank_On wrote:

RatWolf wrote:IIf you still want to

Yes, I will bring a Detachment 99 1750pts Army

D-99 Special Rules:

All of the following squads selected as part of a D-99 Detachment army gain the Surgical Enhancement and Preferred Enemy (Tyranids) special rules:
Elysian Company Command Squad, Elysian Special Weapon Squad, Elysian Veteran Squad.

Surgical Enhancement: A unit subject to this rule gains +1 Initiative and the Stubborn special rule.

Each of these squads cost an additional 20 points each to reflect these abilities.

Youll be glad to know you cant have Vendettas in the Army

Hahaa, I know man xD you borrowed me the book hahaa

I dont think using a full army of FW would be too bad either if the list was posted in advance. That way people would know what they were up against.

I dont however think that the guys using FW should post their lists before other people as then lists could be tailored. Just enough time to read up a bit should be ok.

I would say instead of posting up full lists if Sean just compiled all of thee forgeworld units beign used and posted them up it would be fine. That way pesople still have some secrecy and there full list isn't out there for everyone to see. But also it means the people get to know the forgeworld units without seeing who is taking them.