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I found myself in a semi-local game store today and on a whim bought a few of the new "specialty" GW paints: a couple of the dry paints, a glaze and one of the textured paints.

The green glaze worked as I expected and has a nice effect on my Ork skin.

The dry paints seem nice because they are always the right consistency for the job. I have had issues with Vallejos being too watery to drybrush with even with lots of shaking, so it seems like it will be nice to be ready to roll as soon as the pot is open with these ( I got the necron metallic and the bone colored one).

I am thinking of using the textured paint for a slight mud/grit buildup on vehicle treads,etc. rather than for basing, but I havent tried it yet.

Anyone else tried/using them?

Thoughts?

I havent yet had chance to try them either, but i'd also like to find out what they're like. Specifically I'd like to know if theyve improved the yellow.

New textured paints are worse than useless for their intended purpose, basing. I may have to strip three metal sentinels to undo the crappy looking basing they provided. They might be useful for texturing parts (mud, dirt, grit, etc), but every other technique I've ever used (sand, multi-sized sand, hobby flock, grit, gravel, textured medium) looks better than this. Save your money, I should think.

Maybe someone else will come up with a new technique for using it, but as a way of speeding up basing a model, it speeds up redoing a model. Very irritated.

Da Butcha wrote:New textured paints are worse than useless for their intended purpose, basing. I may have to strip three metal sentinels to undo the crappy looking basing they provided. They might be useful for texturing parts (mud, dirt, grit, etc), but every other technique I've ever used (sand, multi-sized sand, hobby flock, grit, gravel, textured medium) looks better than this. Save your money, I should think.

Maybe someone else will come up with a new technique for using it, but as a way of speeding up basing a model, it speeds up redoing a model. Very irritated.

I actually found the texture paints incredible...Mourn Mountain Snow with a wash of whatever the new blue shade is gives a wonderful and simple winter base.

DarkCorsair wrote:

Da Butcha wrote:New textured paints are worse than useless for their intended purpose, basing. I may have to strip three metal sentinels to undo the crappy looking basing they provided. They might be useful for texturing parts (mud, dirt, grit, etc), but every other technique I've ever used (sand, multi-sized sand, hobby flock, grit, gravel, textured medium) looks better than this. Save your money, I should think.

Maybe someone else will come up with a new technique for using it, but as a way of speeding up basing a model, it speeds up redoing a model. Very irritated.

I actually found the texture paints incredible...Mourn Mountain Snow with a wash of whatever the new blue shade is gives a wonderful and simple winter base.

I concur that the new textured base paints are good. They aren't a substitute for proper use of flock and sand, but they are another item in the toolbox to make things like realistic mud. I was quite impressed when I had a chance to play with it.

You'll be disappointed if you were expecting a replacement. But if you were playing around with it, you'll see that it's a valuable tool.

The texture paints are a nice idea, but way to expensive. For 3€, you get 12ml. Considering how much you need for one base, the price is very high.

Vallejo does basically the same thing, but for a fraction of the cost. Here, for 10€ you get 200ml worth of paint. You can check their range out over at http://www.thewarstore.com/StoneTextureWaterEffects.html

Cheers,


IK-Painter

Wow those Vallejo Texture Paints are nice! +1 exhalt

if you don't ask , you never find out these things! thanks!

I'm reluctant to say the least about these "new paints".
I've heard a lot of fear-mongering about how the colours are nothing like the original.

For example, the apparent Red Gore comparison is way off.
I've heard the same about a lot of other colours and tbh I think those texture paints looks really bad.
A little TLC with some sand, PVA and grass makes a base 100% more interesting that some thick gloopy and ugly coloured sand.

IK-Painter wrote:Vallejo does basically the same thing, but for a fraction of the cost.

You can also go visit your local artist supply shop and get various mixing mediums for even less, with the benefit of being able to use them with whatever color you desire.

I've tried the base, layers & wash recommended for Ork skin and I was pleasantly surprised... The base paint was a little thinner than the old foundations, but went on well enough, and the layers were great. I've tried 3 of the new shades and found them much improved over the old washes...

I was at the Raleigh GW opening just poking around and got the opportunity to play with a few of the new paints. I have to say that the new bases are awesome. White, red, and yellow cover in about 1 or 2 coats. The new shades are pretty good as well. Didn't get to play around much with the dry paints or textures but I will definitely be painting up a squad of Imperial Fists because the yellow was so much easier.

The more I use them, the better I like them. It isn't that they take any getting used to, just that all the preconceived notions one tends to get when reading about this hobby were melted away with time - the paints are good by and large.

It's just like anything though, try it for yourself. I've heard that the Leman Russ Punisher is a waste of points and I've heard it's a game winner. It doesn't matter in the end, I like it.

Most of all I'm impressed with the layers, they make excellent glazes and dry at just the right rate for me to really enjoy using them. Base white is a gem too.

Would love to know how they go through an airbrush as I've just ordered my first but I'll know in a few days.

The textured paints are great for muddying up tracks, and adding dirt onto tanks etc rather than basing!

I personally found the textured basing paints terrible. Good for maybe adding a glob of mud but extremely inefficient for complete basing.

Da Butcha wrote:New textured paints are worse than useless for their intended purpose, basing. I may have to strip three metal sentinels to undo the crappy looking basing they provided. They might be useful for texturing parts (mud, dirt, grit, etc), but every other technique I've ever used (sand, multi-sized sand, hobby flock, grit, gravel, textured medium) looks better than this. Save your money, I should think.

Maybe someone else will come up with a new technique for using it, but as a way of speeding up basing a model, it speeds up redoing a model. Very irritated.

The textured paint works amazing ON texture, so sand, rocks, foliage, etc. It provides a gritty texture to sand, and a VERY nice molting effect (stippiling) and it works great. I have used it on a friends modles so no pics yet but I love um.

DarkCorsair wrote:I actually found the texture paints incredible...Mourn Mountain Snow with a wash of whatever the new blue shade is gives a wonderful and simple winter base.

Now this I would do over some rocks and top with static grass would look great!

I hate to be a GW whiner but I am not please at the state of the new paints. I had high hopes and thought the new paints to be better but it seems, to me at least, they have balls this up badly.
If GW could of just kept the old paints in range while letting us test the new ones first I would have been very happy.

I only used the new Layered paints but I can say they aren't up to standard.
The mixing agent GW use is quite poor so you have to shake your paints every time you wish to use them and it doesn't react with water as well as the odd paints did. I would certainly thin down all the layered paints as it very think in the bottle.

The comparison chart GW has supplied is total rubbish. Caliban Green is nothing like Dark Angels Green. Ironbreaker is closer to Boltgun Metal than Chainmail. Runefang Steel has a strange blue taint to it so isn't a replacement for Mithril Silver. It seems that the new paints are a shade darker than the old ones, so if your looking for a comparison just buy the lighter colour on the chart. Of course you can try the new paints out at GW stores, so do that before buying any new paint.

The worse offered though has to be Gehenna's Gold - Shining Gold.
Gehenna's Gold is very bad, the colours in the jar don't mix well together so you get pools of red dye that has separated from the gold. You have to mix it thoroughly before use but even then you get a red taint on everything you paint. Adding water make it worse, you get a pink tainted water and the gold colour is ruined. Mixing with other paint is equally as bad and ends up making everything pink tainted.

This could just be a bad batch that I have used, YVMV. I hope it is because the old GW paint, while expensive, was really good. Now it seems they have taken a massive step backwards and if standards don't improve I doubt I will buy any more.

Nakor The BlueRider wrote:I hate to be a GW whiner but I am not please at the state of the new paints. I had high hopes and thought the new paints to be better but it seems, to me at least, they have balls this up badly.
If GW could of just kept the old paints in range while letting us test the new ones first I would have been very happy.

I only used the new Layered paints but I can say they aren't up to standard.
The mixing agent GW use is quite poor so you have to shake your paints every time you wish to use them and it doesn't react with water as well as the odd paints did. I would certainly thin down all the layered paints as it very think in the bottle.

The comparison chart GW has supplied is total rubbish. Caliban Green is nothing like Dark Angels Green. Ironbreaker is closer to Boltgun Metal than Chainmail. Runefang Steel has a strange blue taint to it so isn't a replacement for Mithril Silver. It seems that the new paints are a shade darker than the old ones, so if your looking for a comparison just buy the lighter colour on the chart. Of course you can try the new paints out at GW stores, so do that before buying any new paint.

The worse offered though has to be Gehenna's Gold - Shining Gold.
Gehenna's Gold is very bad, the colours in the jar don't mix well together so you get pools of red dye that has separated from the gold. You have to mix it thoroughly before use but even then you get a red taint on everything you paint. Adding water make it worse, you get a pink tainted water and the gold colour is ruined. Mixing with other paint is equally as bad and ends up making everything pink tainted.

This could just be a bad batch that I have used, YVMV. I hope it is because the old GW paint, while expensive, was really good. Now it seems they have taken a massive step backwards and if standards don't improve I doubt I will buy any more.

So you used only 1 of the paints? Any particular painting techs that you used?

I have used roughly 5-8 of the layered paint. They are sort of this and the comparison chart is off in most places BUT its what you expect from GW. When Foundation paints came out they got this style of dislike and then grew on people. These will as well, Davylove21 said it right IMHO. One needs to be open minded for change, have salt dont get me wrong, BUT none the less be open minded.

The basing paints spread very nicely.

The paints a really nice to paint with, haven't used the basing stuff yet, but my new space wolf army looks pretty impressive, im not a bad painter and i'm pretty sure my standard has gone up a couple of notch's. they layer so well is what does it for me, im currently using a combination of old and new and you can tell the difference

Lysenis wrote:

So you used only 1 of the paints? Any particular painting techs that you used?

I have used roughly 5-8 of the layered paint. They are sort of this and the comparison chart is off in most places BUT its what you expect from GW. When Foundation paints came out they got this style of dislike and then grew on people. These will as well, Davylove21 said it right IMHO. One needs to be open minded for change, have salt dont get me wrong, BUT none the less be open minded.

I have used 5 new layered paints in total out of 140+ so your right I shouldn't judge them yet. I have been using the new Auric Armour Gold today and I am quite please with it. Its a tab more lighter and yellow than Shining Gold but its closer to it than Gehenna Gold is. it goes on nicely. Again it needs shaking before use, the paint likes to separate.

Lysenis wrote:
The textured paint works amazing ON texture, so sand, rocks, foliage, etc. It provides a gritty texture to sand, and a VERY nice molting effect (stippiling) and it works great. I have used it on a friends modles so no pics yet but I love um.

Interesting idea. I may have to try that. Thanks.

Nakor The BlueRider wrote:

Lysenis wrote:

So you used only 1 of the paints? Any particular painting techs that you used?

I have used roughly 5-8 of the layered paint. They are sort of this and the comparison chart is off in most places BUT its what you expect from GW. When Foundation paints came out they got this style of dislike and then grew on people. These will as well, Davylove21 said it right IMHO. One needs to be open minded for change, have salt dont get me wrong, BUT none the less be open minded.

I have used 5 new layered paints in total out of 140+ so your right I shouldn't judge them yet. I have been using the new Auric Armour Gold today and I am quite please with it. Its a tab more lighter and yellow than Shining Gold but its closer to it than Gehenna Gold is. it goes on nicely. Again it needs shaking before use, the paint likes to separate.

GREAT! I am completly with you on the chart. It is particularly annoying for me with my fondation paints. So I am going to finish my current army with what I got and my next army (back to nids!) will be with the new stuff. There is a better selection for greens.

I like the new paints.

It's easier for me to get them because I really don't have any older painted models that I have to try match colors to.

I play Blood Angels and Tyranids (Been playing them unpainted for far too long) So I started to paint the blood angels.

The base Mephiston Red is really nice and fits the blood angels color very well. I've tried them both under white primer and black primer. I'm trying next to see which I like the most. Just make sure you still thin down the base paints a little. 2:1 Paint:Water is what I do.

The shades and glazes do what they need to do. Shades darken the recesses well. Glazes brighten up armor or highlights.

Layers are okay. GW wants you to buy 2 layers for your models. The How to Paint Citadel Miniatures DVD showed using one layer for highlights and the second layer to highlight on the highlight you just put on to give it even more depth.

After messing around with the drys I don't think I'll be using them . Two layers are enough.

Texture paints look nice. But if I wanted to base, let's say, my Nid army then it would cost me a ton. I'll probably just stick to glue and use other basing items.

Dry brushing marines is difficult. Better for nids though. GW does want you to buy 2+ layers easy as well as everything else. Part of making more money yet making it easier to paint.

Be nice not having the lids flip down anymore with that new fin thing.

The texture paints seem good for effects and weathering, seems odd to market them for basing at all really, that seems like their least useful function to me.

A 200ml pot of white textured paint for £5 that you paint over with colours of your choice would be much better for a basing material.

I have more GW, Vallejo and random paintsthen I could ever use in two lifetimes so the new GW standard paints don't interest me much, but the specialty paints (dry, textured, etc.) present options for accomplishing specific things so have some merit as I see them.

For example I do a lot of drybrushing on terrain, vehicles, armor, etc. and can see getting good use out of the Necron dry paint.

I gave it a trial run last night and it worked well enough to justify it's purchase imho.

Brother Axel wrote:
I've heard the same about a lot of other colours and tbh I think those texture paints looks really bad.
A little TLC with some sand, PVA and grass makes a base 100% more interesting that some thick gloopy and ugly coloured sand.

I have come to the conclusion that texture paints are not a substitute, they are a supplement to basing materials. It's having another tool in the toolbox, and misusing them says more about the craftsman than it says about the material itself.

IK-Painter made a great point that for bulk applications and for value for money, Vallejo texture paints are a better deal. But if I want to put a small amount of gloopy ugly coloured sand on the tracks of my land raiders without having to use glue (just one application), then one small pot of the GW stuff will do it for me.

I love the new technical paints. They have Imperial primer which is primer you paint on. great for those hard to reach areas. . .

Here are some pics of the Imp Primer in action. The 1 armed Sang Priest was primered months ago by P3 spray

You're not suppose to prime whole models with the paint-on primer. It's mainly for touch-up work such as if you missed a section when spraying, or if you leave pieces attached to the sprue while painting.