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Here we have it, folks, the one, the only, the original, 40K DEATHMATCH! Thank you for joining us for our fourth instalment, and our first with our new co-host, Lord Magnus! Give him a round of applause, xenos and heretics! Magnus will be our resident fluff-expert, and if you all have any questions as to the feats, capabilities, or histories of any of our contestants, he's your man!

Now then, on to our contestants! In the blue corner, armed with two twin-linked, Godhammer pattern Lascannons and a twin-linked heavy bolter, armored in bonded layers of thermoplas, ceramite, and adamentine, is the Land Raider! This hardened behemoth is a moving fortress, and it's biggest advantage is it's armor, which is nigh impregnable, and unlike most battle tanks, is equally strong on every facing. A tough cookie no matter how you wanna bite it! On top of that, the Land Raider is fitted with a potent AI, called a Machine Spirit! This autopilot is capable of taking over for the crew and continuing the fight, if they are ever disabled for any reason! It's so effective, that, in the Battle of Rynn's World, a Land Raider called Rynn's Might destroyed an Ork WARBOSS, and his bodyguards, all on its own!

In the red corner, armed with a single railgun, propelled by powerful anti-grav engines, armored with a mysterious nano-crystalline alloy, and fitted with, if Lord Magnus is correct, special distruptor fields, for extra resiliency, it's the Tau Hammerhead Gunship! It is agile, and it's railgun is powerful, but can it stand up to the Land Raiders INCREDIBLE staying power and greater number of weapons? YOU DECIDE!

Now that we have our contestants lined up, let's go over the rules. A vote of an overwhelming victory awards one point, while a rough victory awards half a point. A vote of straight draw awards a half a point to both parties, while a majority vote of mismatch leads to no contest. The voting is based on fluff and personal opinion, so NO MATH-HAMMER ALLOWED. Keep all discussions civil, and let the best tank win!

Hammerhead, easily. It has a longer range, a stronger weapon and is more manoeuverable.

Good, good. Keep it coming, xenos and heretics! You only have TWO DAYS to vote!

The filthy xeno contraption of plastic and carton board cannot stand to the blessed engine of destruction that is the venerated Land Raider. The land raider is tougher and possesses significantly more weaponry as well as having ten thousand years of service in the wars of the Imperium of man behind it.
+1 OVERWHELMING vote for the Land Raider!

Yori wrote:The filthy xeno contraption of plastic and carton board cannot stand to the blessed engine of destruction that is the venerated Land Raider. The land raider is tougher and possesses significantly more weaponry as well as having ten thousand years of service in the wars of the Imperium of man behind it.
+1 OVERWHELMING vote for the Land Raider!

Yori, your zeal is always appreciated.

I'm surprised at how this is going. The Imperial propaganda is obviously working. Fluffwise a Hammerhead never has to let the LR get within range to shoot it.

Castiel wrote:I'm surprised at how this is going. The Imperial propaganda is obviously working. Fluffwise a Hammerhead never has to let the LR get within range to shoot it.

As am I, but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense. Think of it this way; The LR has phenomenal armor, that a Hammerhead may not penetrate on the first shot. On the other hand even with the disruption field, you're only cutting incoming fire by a third. And the LR has four shots in full salvo. So the Hammerhead only has the advantage the first shot, which may or may not do significant damage to the Land Raider before it takes four las-shots, any one of which is capable of knocking it out.

This is fluffwise though, so the Hammerhead can shoot, move back and shoot again.

Castiel wrote:This is fluffwise though, so the Hammerhead can shoot, move back and shoot again.

Also true, but that's what makes it a good match. Each one has things it does better, and there is no category that is the be-all, end-all of warfare.

TermiesInARaider wrote:Yori, your zeal is always appreciated.

Zeal and Fury are rewarded with Victory!
I cant believe there are so many blueey xeno huggers lending their voice to the enemy .
Ah I don't think I can take it if the tau win. That would scar my soul.

The tau must win. Imperial souls must be scarred!

Under voted, so I will step in. The Hammerhead has the superior tech, weaponry, and longer range, it can easily fire while moving as fast as the Land Raider. Not only is it the same speed, but it flies over obstacles increasing its speed. If the Hammerhead can move quickly, the Land Raider won't be able to catch it, and in no time it will be "Hammered dead."

Lord Magnus wrote:Under voted, so I will step in. The Hammerhead has the superior tech, weaponry, and longer range, it can easily fire while moving as fast as the Land Raider. Not only is it the same speed, but it flies over obstacles increasing its speed. If the Hammerhead can move quickly, the Land Raider won't be able to catch it, and in no time it will be "Hammered dead."

It seems that's what the people think, so far. But are we giving the Land Raider enough credit for its Machine Spirit? How much of a factor does that play in this fight, Magnus?

Not much, the machine spirit isn't terribly accurate. It would keep the LR rolling, and firing its weapons, but the chances of it hitting would be reduced.

That depends if it can resort to cyber warfare, its remnant technology from the Dark Age, so if that is indeed the case i doubt the hammerhead's crew can do anything about it. Though i doubt this, since there isn't any fluff on that. I just can believe that a the hammerhead can beat a portable headquarters, the thing is outfitted to be one, also aren't Land Raiders outfitted with a single Hunter-Killer Missile that is basically a guaranteed kill on a target?

Yori wrote:That depends if it can resort to cyber warfare, its remnant technology from the Dark Age, so if that is indeed the case i doubt the hammerhead's crew can do anything about it. Though i doubt this, since there isn't any fluff on that. I just can believe that a the hammerhead can beat a portable headquarters, the thing is outfitted to be one, also aren't Land Raiders outfitted with a single Hunter-Killer Missile that is basically a guaranteed kill on a target?

It's not in their standard kit, so no. There are no upgrades in use, so no HK missiles for the Raider, and no SMS for the Hammerhead.

TermiesInARaider wrote:

Lord Magnus wrote:Under voted, so I will step in. The Hammerhead has the superior tech, weaponry, and longer range, it can easily fire while moving as fast as the Land Raider. Not only is it the same speed, but it flies over obstacles increasing its speed. If the Hammerhead can move quickly, the Land Raider won't be able to catch it, and in no time it will be "Hammered dead."

It seems that's what the people think, so far. But are we giving the Land Raider enough credit for its Machine Spirit? How much of a factor does that play in this fight, Magnus?

The problem is that the Land Raider will never be faster than the Hammerhead, and the Hammerhead may fly over anything in its path. The Machine Spirit will allow it to be nearly as fast as the Hammerhead. If the Hammerheads railgun didn't have so much range (1.5x that of the Lascannon) on the Land Raider, then the LR would have a sure win. Unfortunately, the powerful, long range weaponry gives the Hammerhead a deadly, nearly unconquerable advantage in this fight.

Lord Magnus wrote:

TermiesInARaider wrote:

Lord Magnus wrote:Under voted, so I will step in. The Hammerhead has the superior tech, weaponry, and longer range, it can easily fire while moving as fast as the Land Raider. Not only is it the same speed, but it flies over obstacles increasing its speed. If the Hammerhead can move quickly, the Land Raider won't be able to catch it, and in no time it will be "Hammered dead."

It seems that's what the people think, so far. But are we giving the Land Raider enough credit for its Machine Spirit? How much of a factor does that play in this fight, Magnus?

The problem is that the Land Raider will never be faster than the Hammerhead, and the Hammerhead may fly over anything in its path. The Machine Spirit will allow it to be nearly as fast as the Hammerhead. If the Hammerheads railgun didn't have so much range (1.5x that of the Lascannon) on the Land Raider, then the LR would have a sure win. Unfortunately, the powerful, long range weaponry gives the Hammerhead a deadly, nearly unconquerable advantage in this fight.

Noted! It looks like an up hill battle from here, but there's still a day left to see if the Land Raider can make it! Though I must say, with the way the score's going now, it doesn't seem likely.

Well, the voting is closed, and the winner is clear. The Hammerhead Gunship totally dominated the Land Raider, now excuse me while I go get into a xenos state of mind. Stay tuned here, I'll have the fluff for you in a day or so. It may be on sunday, however, since tomorrow is Sabbath.

I like how one out of 11 people think they are somewhat fairly matched. Good deathwatch.

Dayvuni wrote:I like how one out of 11 people think they are somewhat fairly matched. Good deathwatch.

Well, it's not that they're mismatched. They're both designed as main battle tanks. The thing is, The Hammerhead does it better. What would be an unfair match up is pitting the Hammerhead against, say, an Attack Bike. Now THAT'S not fair.

TermiesInARaider wrote:

Dayvuni wrote:I like how one out of 11 people think they are somewhat fairly matched. Good deathwatch.

Well, it's not that they're mismatched. They're both designed as main battle tanks. The thing is, The Hammerhead does it better. What would be an unfair match up is pitting the Hammerhead against, say, an Attack Bike. Now THAT'S not fair.

Here I was thinking the Land Raider was a line breaker, and the hammerhead a pew-pew trabant

Yori wrote:

TermiesInARaider wrote:

Dayvuni wrote:I like how one out of 11 people think they are somewhat fairly matched. Good deathwatch.

Well, it's not that they're mismatched. They're both designed as main battle tanks. The thing is, The Hammerhead does it better. What would be an unfair match up is pitting the Hammerhead against, say, an Attack Bike. Now THAT'S not fair.

Here I was thinking the Land Raider was a line breaker, and the hammerhead a pew-pew trabant

-Restate, Both tanks (based on the poll) Will either dominate the other, or get dominated.
Yea, the hammer head is tau which is more advanced technology wise.

Dayvuni wrote:

Yori wrote:

TermiesInARaider wrote:

Dayvuni wrote:I like how one out of 11 people think they are somewhat fairly matched. Good deathwatch.

Well, it's not that they're mismatched. They're both designed as main battle tanks. The thing is, The Hammerhead does it better. What would be an unfair match up is pitting the Hammerhead against, say, an Attack Bike. Now THAT'S not fair.

Here I was thinking the Land Raider was a line breaker, and the hammerhead a pew-pew trabant

-Restate, Both tanks (based on the poll) Will either dominate the other, or get dominated.
Yea, the hammer head is tau which is more advanced technology wise.

Yeah, I can definitely agree that it's a very polarizing fight. The Hammerhead has the edge when it comes to range, but the Land Raider just totally eclipses it in terms of raw firepower. After you get that out of the way, it's the entire maneuverability-vs-armor argument, and depending on the situation, the battle could be very different. For instance, in an urban situation, the Hammerhead's maneuverability would be severely compromised, and the Land Raider would have a much easier time getting inside the range of that railgun. Still, though, the people have spoken.

TermiesInARaider wrote:

Dayvuni wrote:

Yori wrote:

TermiesInARaider wrote:

Dayvuni wrote:I like how one out of 11 people think they are somewhat fairly matched. Good deathwatch.

Well, it's not that they're mismatched. They're both designed as main battle tanks. The thing is, The Hammerhead does it better. What would be an unfair match up is pitting the Hammerhead against, say, an Attack Bike. Now THAT'S not fair.

Here I was thinking the Land Raider was a line breaker, and the hammerhead a pew-pew trabant

-Restate, Both tanks (based on the poll) Will either dominate the other, or get dominated.
Yea, the hammer head is tau which is more advanced technology wise.

Yeah, I can definitely agree that it's a very polarizing fight. The Hammerhead has the edge when it comes to range, but the Land Raider just totally eclipses it in terms of raw firepower. After you get that out of the way, it's the entire maneuverability-vs-armor argument, and depending on the situation, the battle could be very different. For instance, in an urban situation, the Hammerhead's maneuverability would be severely compromised, and the Land Raider would have a much easier time getting inside the range of that railgun. Still, though, the people have spoken.

A hammerhead can fly to some extent, a city would be easier for it than for a land raider.

So, are you gonna continue with these series? Or was that just all of it?
Don't mean to come off as judgmental only wondering.