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First off, here is the list

HQ

Creed/CCS: 4 plasma, carapace armor w/Chimera

Primaris Psyker (will team up with PBS)

Elite

Psyker Battle Squad: 1 Overseer, 9 Psykers w/ Chimera

Troops

2x Veterans: 10 Vets, 3 meltguns w/ Vendetta
Veterans: 10 vets, 3 plasma w/ Vendetta
Veterans: 10 vet, 3 plasma w/ Chimera

Fast Attack

3 Vendettas (same as the ones listed above)

Heavy Support

2x Leman Russ w/ Battle Cannon
Manticore Launcher

By my math, I have 95 points left over. Any advice on how to spend them? Also, does this list work as a mech list? (I'd use Creed's scout ability to outflank a Chimera. From my understanding of the rules I can't reserve a Vendetta with a veteran squad inside because it's not a dedicated transport, which is what I'd rather do)

Thanks in advance for any response.

Ricedaddy wrote:First off, here is the list

HQ

Creed/CCS: 4 plasma, carapace armor w/Chimera

Primaris Psyker (will team up with PBS)

Elite

Psyker Battle Squad: 1 Overseer, 9 Psykers w/ Chimera

Troops

2x Veterans: 10 Vets, 3 meltguns w/ Vendetta
Veterans: 10 vets, 3 plasma w/ Vendetta
Veterans: 10 vet, 3 plasma w/ Chimera

Fast Attack

3 Vendettas (same as the ones listed above)

Heavy Support

2x Leman Russ w/ Battle Cannon
Manticore Launcher

By my math, I have 95 points left over. Any advice on how to spend them? Also, does this list work as a mech list? (I'd use Creed's scout ability to outflank a Chimera. From my understanding of the rules I can't reserve a Vendetta with a veteran squad inside because it's not a dedicated transport, which is what I'd rather do)

Thanks in advance for any response.

This is more air guard then mech guard. I prefer chimera over vendetta for transports for multiple reasons.

1. You can shoot out of chimera with up to 5 guys.
2. Vendetta's are already going to draw a lot of fire and having vets inside will only further prioritize them to your opponent.
3. You need the vendetta's only moving 6" so you can shoot all 3 las cannons.
4. If the vendetta get shot down and in most games they do your left without a transport for those vets.
5. If I run vets in a vendetta they are demo vets and I scout them up and assault turn 1 with melta bombs into gun lines.
Note: Vendetta's can scout move before the game or you can reserve them and have them outflank. If a squad doesnt have a dedicated transport it can start in the vendetta and outflank or scout with it.

As for the heavy slots:
Are the two lemon russ's seperate or a squadron? I would run them separately as you can fire at different targets and you might consider making one a demolisher. Strength 10 Ap2 big blast come in handy for dealing with those terminators and those T5 heavy infantry that have multiple wounds.

The Primaris psyker
I thought about running one in my list for adepticon but took a commissar instead. Reasons:
He is a Leadership 9 psyker
Most psychic hoods are leadership 10 so even if I get the power off he cant be nixed pretty easy.
If I go against GK they can have me taking leadership 4 psychic test thanks to aegis and reinforced aegis.
He has to shoot at the same target as his unit. (so if you put him with the psykers they are stuck shooting the same target. Also god help you if mindstrike missiles hit you.

Creed
I dont personally run Creed. The fluff for my army is that my company commander is young creed before he was the head honcho. If you do run creed he is better with sgt kell with him so they can get that leadership 10 for your orders. In addition, Creed is better for your army when your running a heavy foot list. You cant issue orders to squads that are embarked in transports.

You can make a couple of changes to this list. I personally would drop creed for now until you get the army down to an art and master the list that he fits into. I would take those points and get chimera's for your vet squads. When you buy those transports they also come with multi-lasers and hull heavy flamers free of charge. Your list might struggle with killing models in cover and those heavy flamers do wonders.

You've got a lot of good stuff, but none of it seems to go together well. Your Vendettas are great, but they are more of a tank hunter, not a transport. I'd take troops in them as more of an afterthought. If you deep strike them, you can only fire 1 TLLC when you hit the ground. If your gonna be taking troops, I'd go with melta vets and valkries. Your valkries can drop and fire all their weapons, best to take MRL and heavy bolters.

I've never been a big PBS fan and those seem to work best with snipers and mortors.

At 2000 points I don't think your hitting with enough units. You could keep your Vendettas, drop your Leman Russ' and add Chimeras to make it mech, then use your empty Vendettas for tank hunting! Then with creed and your vets together in their Chimeras he can issue his 4 orders per turn and tear into the enemy! I'd also drop the armor on your CCS, you don't need carapace armor if your in the Chimeras. That being said, you could add demolitions to your vet squads. It's risky chucking that demo charge out the chimera, but can do A LOT of damage if you get the throw.
If you do drop your PBS, I'd suggest going for Metla or plasma storm troopers. They hit hard against anything but Termies, I find them worth it.

Hope some of that helps!

-LoS

HQ

CCS: 4 plasma w/Chimera

Primaris Psyker (will team up with PBS)

Elite

Psyker Battle Squad: 1 Overseer, 9 Psykers w/ Chimera

Troops

2x Veterans: 10 Vets, 3 meltguns w/ Chimera
Veterans: 10 vets, 3 plasma w/ Valkyrie (likely outflanking from reserve)
Veterans: 10 vet, 3 plasma w/ Chimera

Fast Attack

Valkyrie w/HB and MRP (same as the one listed above)

Heavy Support

Leman Russ w/ Battle Cannon
Leman Russ w/ Demolisher Cannon
Manticore Launcher

Total: 1715

Ok, so I'm almost 300 points short. I'd given thought to maybe a Devil Dog and a Bane Wolf, but would it be better to just grab more Vets w/ Chimera (redundancy being important for an army that can be as squishy as I've seen the IG be)?

Ricedaddy wrote:HQ

CCS: 4 plasma w/Chimera

Primaris Psyker (will team up with PBS)

Elite

Psyker Battle Squad: 1 Overseer, 9 Psykers w/ Chimera

Troops

2x Veterans: 10 Vets, 3 meltguns w/ Chimera
Veterans: 10 vets, 3 plasma w/ Valkyrie (likely outflanking from reserve)
Veterans: 10 vet, 3 plasma w/ Chimera

Fast Attack

Valkyrie w/HB and MRP (same as the one listed above)

Heavy Support

Leman Russ w/ Battle Cannon
Leman Russ w/ Demolisher Cannon
Manticore Launcher

Total: 1715

Ok, so I'm almost 300 points short. I'd given thought to maybe a Devil Dog and a Bane Wolf, but would it be better to just grab more Vets w/ Chimera (redundancy being important for an army that can be as squishy as I've seen the IG be)?

Well if you got the points bring 2 more vendetta's. That is 260 points and they make great firing bases and can move flat out to get cover saves before the game starts if you start them on the board. You can run one of the hellhound variants though, they are pretty fun. My personal favorite is the hellhound itself it can shoot a S6 ap4 template up 12" from where its at and hit models in cover on turn 1. As for your squad that is outflanking what is there role as an outflanking unit? What are you looking for them to do? If your trying to hit vehicles in their backfield then melta's might be the way to go but ymmv. Did you see my last post about the issue of having the primaris in the same squad as the PBS. They will have to shoot the same target. So you might move the psyker to another unit so you can weaken resolve units etc... without wasting more shots at them. Your call there though.

What about placing the Primaris in the Chimera with a Plasma veteran squad and using weaken resolve to try to get some units running? I could outflank the Valkyrie w/ Plasma Vets to attempt to either clean enemy troops off of an objective in their DZ, or try an "Hammer and Anvil" tactics. The Primaris and Vets (the hammer in this metaphor) get a unit to flee due to weaken resolve, while the Valkyrie is (hopefully) still alive to intercept their retreat and finish them off. I know there are a lot of variables that could ruin that, but does it sound like it may work? As I've said before, I've not run a battle with guard, so I really only have observations, not experience.

Off Topic:

Do you own all the models in your first list. I only ask because you have $350 in Vendettas alone.

This will be mostly a VASSAL army. My main army is Space Marines, and I'm averaging about two purchases a year (it's only at about 1K points, too). So, no, I don't own any of these models, I do have some IG infantry from about 4 years back, but they were put together before I even knew what a codex was, to be honest.


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I just don't have the time or money to try and build/collect two physical 40K armies right now, but I wanted to be familiar with two in case i wanted to fight a battle but wasn't feeling SM.

Silentway wrote:Off Topic:

Do you own all the models in your first list. I only ask because you have $350 in Vendettas alone.

lol, so 3 vendetta's at retail price is 186 dollars. How are you getting $350?

Tomb King wrote:

Silentway wrote:Off Topic:

Do you own all the models in your first list. I only ask because you have $350 in Vendettas alone.

lol, so 3 vendetta's at retail price is 186 dollars. How are you getting $350?

I misread his post....what's it to you?

Besides 3 Vendettas retail for $66 that times 3 is $198 excluding tax and shipping if any so how is it $186?

How about we focus on the topic at hand instead of trying to be a d1ck on an off topic question.

A very simple list, not totally what your going for but close and simple. I think you could do a lot with it.

HQ:
CCS 4x plasma, chimera -165

Elite:
Psyker Battle Squad, 10 man squad, chimera -165

Troops:
Vets, 3 plasma, chimera -170
Vets, 3 plasma, chimera -170
Vets, 3 plasma, chimera -170
Vets, 3 melta, shotguns -100 (Vendetta)
Vets, 3 melta, shotguns -100 (Vendetta)
Vets, 3 melta, shotguns -100 (Vendetta)

Fast:
Vendetta -130
Vendetta -130
Vendetta -130

Heavy:
Leman Russ -150
Leman Russ -150
Leman Russ -150

-1980 total

Keep everything behind your tanks, use weaken resolve to drop low Ld troops, use your plasma vets to finish them off and take objectives, use your vendettas to go off on their own and tank hunt and to take objectives as a secondary role.
With this, you have a strong, powerful core army with a fast moble vendetta force to move with the battlefield. Lots of anti-tank and anti-infantry fire power.

Edit: Now me personally, I take twin heavy bolters for my chimeras, but it's all a personal choice. Since there is no real close ranged anti-horde choices here, I'd take a turret multi-laser and a hull heavy flamer, just in case anyone want to get a little to close. As for the last 20 points, no clue.

Silentway wrote:

Tomb King wrote:

Silentway wrote:Off Topic:

Do you own all the models in your first list. I only ask because you have $350 in Vendettas alone.

lol, so 3 vendetta's at retail price is 186 dollars. How are you getting $350?

I misread his post....what's it to you?

Besides 3 Vendettas retail for $66 that times 3 is $198 excluding tax and shipping if any so how is it $186?

How about we focus on the topic at hand instead of trying to be a d1ck on an off topic question.

Last off topic comment. I am confused by your message. Your last post came off as being rude and unproductive and discouraging. I merely stated that the amount would be a little over half your estimated amount. Didnt take a shot at you and dont know why you responded the way you did. I will continue to be on topic... I suggest you do the same for the first time in the thread.

Back on topic: Vassal is a good way to test out an army before using them. However, it doesn't give you the line of sight which is kind of a huge part of the game. For example: Manticore's can shoot over chimera but still get cover from chimera when being shot at. etc... Either way I like vassal as I dont always have time to get to a store to get a game in.

The primaris psyker can be placed wherever you might try him in one of the chimera's or in the CCS's ride.




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TheLordOfSins wrote:

Troops:
Vets, 3 plasma, chimera -170
Vets, 3 plasma, chimera -170
Vets, 3 plasma, chimera -170
Vets, 3 melta, shotguns -100 (Vendetta)
Vets, 3 melta, shotguns -100 (Vendetta)
Vets, 3 melta, shotguns -100 (Vendetta)

Only 9 melta's in a guard list and all have to disembark to shoot. Heresy!

Tomb, it's called AirCav! lol

Ricedaddy wrote:HQ

CCS: 4 plasma w/Chimera

Primaris Psyker (will team up with PBS)

Elite

Psyker Battle Squad: 1 Overseer, 9 Psykers w/ Chimera

Troops

2x Veterans: 10 Vets, 3 meltguns w/ Chimera
Veterans: 10 vets, 3 plasma w/ Valkyrie (likely outflanking from reserve)
Veterans: 10 vet, 3 plasma w/ Chimera

Fast Attack

Valkyrie w/HB and MRP (same as the one listed above)

Heavy Support

Leman Russ w/ Battle Cannon
Leman Russ w/ Demolisher Cannon
Manticore Launcher

Total: 1715

Ok, so I'm almost 300 points short. I'd given thought to maybe a Devil Dog and a Bane Wolf, but would it be better to just grab more Vets w/ Chimera (redundancy being important for an army that can be as squishy as I've seen the IG be)?

At first glance, the major thing I noticed was a major lack of anti-vehicle. Realistically, both your infantry and vehicle support do the same thing; kill infantry. I'd suggest committing one unit type with a certain task, the other with another. Since a majority of Leman Russ vehicles focus on anti-infantry, your best infantry killing power is with them, so I'd swap out a plasma Vet Squad with Meltas.

The only exception to this rule would be a Vendetta; having one could really help you kill the ranged Anti-Tank.

Not a fan of the Manticore in a Mech Army. An immobile platform can become a liability with nothing to bubble wrap it against Outflanking units. Instead of a Manticore, opt for a Vendetta or a Vanquisher. While the Vanquisher may be BS3, anything it does hit gets penned (no waiting around for those 6's on your Las Cannons).

If your going to use Creed he is a best fit for a hybrid foot/mech where there is a combined blob squads to use Creed's orders and you want a unit to outflank with Creed's ability I used Demolishers but there are other options like Banewolves.

Primaris Psyker isn't worth it. He's not LD 10 and has no hood. If he was LD10 and had a hood I'd take him.

Psyker Battle squad is good but only run 8 psykers max saves points. you get the str 8 blast and -8 leadership is good.

I also don't like taking Vets without a Chimera as if you put your vets in Vendettas get shot down first and they don't have fire points to shoot out of. Consider taking a platoon. If you want to take cheap units to make your Vendettas scoring take a platoon. The Platoon command can take up to 4 melta or flamers and special weapons squads can have up to 3 meltas or flamers abeit bs3.

I like having 6 scoring units if possible. Guardsmen aren't all that survivable once their vehicle goes boom.

3 Vendettas is pretty much an auto include in Mech Guard candidate for best vehicle in the game and you really need the ranged anti tank.

Leman Russes with battle cannons aren't so good in the current mech environment. Maybe if there was more foot lists. Consider the 2nd/3rd Manticore or Demolisher(s) instead for Strength 10.

My preferences for heavies are Manticores and Hydras. Manticores give you D3 Strength 10 large blasts which is good vs vehicles and infantry. Hydras are good vs light vehicles and not to bad at shooting infantry if you have to with a hull mounted heavy bolter giving a total of 7 shots per Hydra.