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as to advancing the storyline, i was told that the 6th ed rules book would be advancing it, and that the emp will die, to this i responded "Thats what they said about EoT, and i will believe it when i see it" but he seemed pretty convinced

take THAT rumour with an everest of salt
the guy who told me wasnt my normal source so i dont believe anything he says yet, and considering the validity of this rumour, i dont think i will.

thought id share though

Game Three – Necrons

My opponent was a returning vet from the U.N. sanctioning actions in Canada, so he had been out of the game a while. He came back to discover his Necron army was viable again. He hadn’t bought anything new, but his Apocalypse size selection of old models made for a force that was pretty darn strong. He was my favorite opponent of the day and it turned out he only lived about an hour away from me. So we exchanged emails. We ended up becoming gaming buddies; we play about twice a month now. The words you’re looking for are “awe, shucks that’s cute”.

So his army today included a 1 Skimmer Lord, Lords for the Squads, 1 C’Tan, 9 destroyers and an obscene number of warriors in 5 squads (I think he had about 50 on the table). I was surprised that he didn’t bring any Scarabs, but also relieved, they would have eaten my transports alive.

Our mission was a five objective job, but every turn you held an objective you got a Mission Point. Whoever had the most at the end of the game would win. One was automatically in the center, and the other four we took turns deploying, but only one per table quarter. We had a spearhead deployment. I put one in my deployment as near the center as I could, and the other in the other corner along my edge, as close to the center as I could. He placed his two in terrain in the quarters.

I deployed first, placing the Raven in reserve and the rest of my army as close to the center as I could. The Vindicares made the flanks rough, especially for the lord and C’Tan, holding back to far for the destroyers to get too, but making sure to be a threat if anything came to far forward.

He failed to seize, and I held my ground, pumping as many shots as I could into the C’Tan. I managed two get three wounds onto it between my Vindicares and Str 6 heavy bolters. I got two points (having moved onto the second objective in the center).

My opponent moved to his second objective, splitting his warriors a bit. I took a lot of Str 6 shooting but managed to survive the combined fire. All of his necrons not holding an objective marched forward, took a few shots but didn’t do anything else.

My turn two the raven came in. I pushed hard for the objective I put near the middle but out of my quarter. I got to it (moving flat out) and managed to take the C’Tan down with the Assault Cannon. I then took shots at with the vindicares, and using my ability to pick models hurt the lords buried in two of the squads.

I held my ground, weathering a lot of fire for a few rounds, knocking his lord out of the air and hitting him where I could from range. Holding my three objectives till round 4 won me the game.

In the coming months he picked up some of the new kits and rounded is force out a lot more, and is quite a challenge to play against. He routinely makes Mech Guard players who haven’t adapted to the new metagame cry foul with his Scarabs and multiple C’Tan.

That's the quote from bloodofkittens blog. Seems very interesting....

You do realize that he's just making things up for a story about a tournament that takes place next year, right?

agnosto wrote:You do realize that he's just making things up for a story about a tournament that takes place next year, right?

I read through it, but I was aware that he has posted rumors before. Could be nothing, could be something. Take it how you will.

I take it as a hint of what our HQs are going to look like at how existing units are going to effectively be deployed with the new dex. Could be a big pile of BS but Tastytaste usually hides a nugget of truth in every pile of dog pooh.

If there is anything to it at all, and it is not just a bunch of made-up rubbish, the main hint I get is that Scarabs will be very effective against mech (is this what they are now, or not?), and there might be more than two C'tan (although "multiple" could be two as well of course) available (for Apocalypse games).

Since everything these days is mech mech mech it would be cool if lowly Scarab swarms are going to be a solution for Necrons to force other strategies on opponents. I'm not a big fan of mech spam, so this would be very welcome.

TBD wrote:...Scarabs will be very effective against mech (is this what they are now, or not?)...

That was their original purpose back in 2nd edition - they were obscenely tough and could latch onto a tank to make its armour easier to penetrate.

yep, remember the scarabs used to do a str8/10? suicide attack? vs vehicles, its a bit fuzzy i cant quite remember.

this was the chapter arpoved article before the necron codex came out, when scarabs were not a swarm but a single model.

Str8 scarabs?!?! /drool

Praxiss wrote:Str8 scarabs?!?! /drool

yeah it was something like that, i cant quite remember, but it was a single models and a single attack, and i think it killed the scarab afterwards, and only in CC with a tank

Necron Bomb squigs ftw

I'm getting conversion ideas now

Scarabs used to sit on enemy tanks and eat their armour and disrupt weapons. I started buying White Dwarf with he issue that first featured Necrons in a battle report (Massacre at Sanctuary 101?)

cheers da boss, now i know which white dwarf it was, i will post the rule when i find through it (i have stacks and stacks lol)

I know it's a bit out of context with the narrative of this rumor thread, but I just wanted to say here in a thread where lots of Necron players are talking, I went ahead and bought myself the Necron Battleforce today. I had a GW gift card from a bunch of friends, and I'm incredibly excited about starting a Cron army.

I'm not buying more stuff until the update, but I figure warriors and destroyers are probably here to stay. I've been playing Space Marines since the beginning of Fifth, and painting my first scarab swarm today, I can already tell that these robotic zombie legions are a breath of fresh air.

Thanks for picking apart these rumors in depth, it's really exciting to read what you all have to say.

Good for you

Expect the mandatory 'Necrons are sooo OP Cheese' from people It hasn't been true in years, but once an idea gets lodged

Hopefully our new codex, when we eventually get it, will support this opinion

Congrats on your first 'Cron purchase. make sure to post a pic when you have painted some up. not enough necron pictures in the gallery.

If this July rumour is true we should be seeing an 'incoming' email sometime next month. I'm betting on a Oct/Nov Release though as this matches previous release patterns by GW. July would be awesome though.

I think it's been prettty much agreed that we MIGHT see an Incoming in July/August with the actual release October/November

Ok.

Take this with Salt, and don’t believe me if you don’t want to but here goes:

So first things first. There is a lot that can and will change, but this is what I know for now:

New kits done in plastic:
Destroyers/Heavy Destroyers. This will be released as one kit with lots of options. They look like the old hybrid kits, but in plastic with fancier torso’s. The skimmer body things don’t look much changed, actually. But I don’t think that’s a bad thing. With the hefty price drop from their current points cost, expect to be buying a lot of these to deal with your enemy termies and the like, since with the exception of one of the Special Character Lords they are your best option for dealing with 2+ saves, though there is an option for a lawn mower (lown mower as in a gun that has alot of shots, to mow throw hordes) type weapon too if you want to deal with hordes, though considering the other weapon options you have with these guys and the number of other units in the new codex with slaughter hordes better, its sort of a waste. You get 1 per box.

Immortals – These look coolish…kinda. I think I liked the simpler look of the old ones, but if you are a fan of all the “bling” that GW has started throwing on with remakes like the BA and GK, then you will like the new Immortals. I don’t really find that they fit with the Necron look, but time will tell, and maybe they will look better painted. They are also bigger. One of the Special Character ‘Cron lords makes them troops. Will come in boxes of 5, can be in units of up to 10.

Tomb spider is getting a nice remake, haven’t seen the model yet but I hear it looks cool. Like the Destroyers, the rumor is that this will have several options and be able to fulfill a Varity of roles in the army. 1 per box.

New MC/Vehicle type thing that can throw down some long range hurt but is still underwhelming compared to things like the Manticore, and will likely be unpopular. 48” range I believe. It looks really stupid and out of place in the Necron force. 1 per box

New giant MC guy with either ranged or melee options. Has a very Wraith Lord feel all around. One of the guns looks similar (maybe the same?) to the new gun the destroyer guys are getting which works well against hordes. He has a lot of weapon options and looks….ok. I am not a big fan of giants though so maybe it’s me. Defiantly a MC like a wraith lord and not a vehicle like a dreadnaught/sentinel however. I think people will either build lists around 3 of these guys (you can’t take them in squadrons, so they really eat up your HS slots, which honestly surprised me since GW seems to be letting people take walkers in groups of 3 so they can sell more) or won’t take them at all. Still in the age where half the guardsman and space marines in the galaxy seem to run around packing plasma or melta guns, I don’t expect these guys will be that competitive even with their high toughness just because to kit them out with the best weapon options makes them a bit more expensive then they are worth, and giant models tend to attract a lot of fire power. I think I saw something about a way to make them available in elite slots as well as HS slots. Maybe through a special character? 1 per box.

New fast attack unit that finally gives Necron’s some non MC melee options. Look kinda like flayed ones. They have an 18” charge with their special ability. Think jump infantry with special rules. 5 per box


Warriors will come 10 to a box; have some new options and also other colors of rod (orange and red I think? Orange is not bright orange, but sort of dark, kinda like a beer color almost) Otherwise look the same.

Didn’t see a plastic lord, but didn’t hear that there wasn’t one. Still, I can’t really say either way, though it would be nice if they put one out I don’t really have any evidence that this is the case.

I didn’t see or hear anything about an LED kit for the Monolith. I am not saying that something like that isn’t going to happen, but I haven’t heard even the slightest hint of something like that happening, or seen any evidence to suggest it other then what people post on forums like this.




New Blisters:
There is a new metal lord on foot, has a staff. Looks really cool, but I don’t like painting metal, so I don’t know if I will be picking him up.



Rules:
WBB is basically FNP for most guys. Not saying its FNP exactly, but well…it pretty much comes out to being FNP. The way Res orbs work has, obviously, been reworked as well.

Phase out is…well phased out. Not saying the rule is completely gone, but you won’t have to buy a ton of unit X to keep your enemy from just destroying your “Necrons” units and causing your army to get removed.

C’tan are gone, and are replaced with powerful named Necron lords and special characters.

One of the Lords makes Immortals troops, though I am not sure if they are scoring.

Another Special Character has some really nice anti psyker abilities. I don’t think he is a lord, some other sort of Necron maybe? I don’t play Necrons myself, but I didn’t get the impression that he was a boss ‘Cron.

Unlike what people have been saying, not all gauss weapons are rending.

Living metal is changing, but if anything its getting better. Kinda.

A lot of the weird complicated rules from the codex are getting simplified and a lot of the war gear options are vanishing, though many of them will be back in slightly altered form as special abilities or items owned by some of the new special characters.

Necrons will have their magic power guy, but no he isn’t a psyker. I mean he is LIKE a psyker, but is not actually, you know, a psyker. Even if he plays and feels…well you know, just like a psyker.

While the Ctan are themselves out of the codex ( a good thing, since they were way underpowered for gods) look to see their influence still in place.

Over all Necrons are a lot cheaper across the board point wise, though that’s to be expected (GW wants you to buy more little plastic men, and the best way to do this is make it so it takes more of them to fill up an army). Monoliths remain expensive though, and one of the lords was something crazy, like 240 points or somewhere around there. He looks like he has potential to be beastly in CC though.

I didn’t see any rules for a transport for the warriors, though I was really hoping they would get something to bring them into the age of 5th edition mech. I wish I could tell you they had a necrhino or nechimera but I just didn’t see anything like that, and I didn’t hear about anything like that either. They have been giving some interesting new fast attack and CC options, but it looks like, at least to me, that they still won’t be at the power level of BA/SW/GK. Still, they will get a much needed boost from their current state, and should be a lot less confusing to play.

I don’t have a release date, but I am expecting an October release. That’s a guess though.

Again I fully expect at least some of this to change, so take this with all the salt you want, but I thought maybe some folks might want some more rumors, and since no one else seemed to want to put this stuff out, I figured I would. Likewise I am only human and it’s possible I remembered something wrong. Anyway, Enjoy.

Well, Tabitha, Welcome to Dakka!

Some interesting rumors you have there, they seem nice.

Just curious where you heard them from though.

I would love to have some of those changes, esp in the kits you mentioned.

Almost done reading the Fall of Damnos and it mentions some of what was just mentioned there.

There is a, what can only be described as, Tomb Stalker like construction that spits Guass beams from its mouth with the ability to split into 3-Tomb Spyder things

A Flayed Lord, and other special Lords to

Edit:*

And some sort of reworked Pariah guys that have a leader for their squad.

It also mentions a second gun that Destroyers were able to mod themselves with and that some of the BFG guns are being given to heavier ground units.

*The Chronomancer is Not a Lord, it seems to be a promoted Necron of a sort who is now, what's called, a Cryptek. He is directly linked with the Tomb and is responsible for construction of Spyders and Scarabs, though it is also mentioned that there are more then one. The sentience of all is debated but confirmed that one can have a personality.

Just things I have seen or in some cases talked about with my friends who have seen them.

I am a long time lurker, first time poster, and don’t really expect people to do much more then take this with a bit of salt, believe it if you want, don’t if you don’t. Just trying to get some info out there for anyone who might want to know.

Your post reads like a parody of the Tyranid and Grey Knight releases. Did you get it from 4chan or something?

lord_blackfang wrote:Your post reads like a parody of the Tyranid and Grey Knight releases. Did you get it from 4chan or something?

"Parody" or "Following a noticable trend"?

I'd really like to know if the Tomb Stalker is going to be available as Heavy support. I would think so, and I feel sure of it. There is still that little bit of nagging doubt though.

lord_blackfang wrote:Your post reads like a parody of the Tyranid and Grey Knight releases. Did you get it from 4chan or something?

I don't know this 'Tabitha' rumor looks to be on par with allot of the 'leaks' coming from GW. This looks to be the new format they are using for promoting future product. Just not sure why GW doesn't just write an article in White Dwarf and sell it to the masses. I know I'd be willing to drop $10 on a that crappy magazine if it actually included information like this, and wasn't just a glorified catalog.

IF that stuff is true it all sounds a bit underwhelming to be honest. There have to be more nifty things to make people want to start the army.

I'm still hoping there will be Scarab Swarms that completely disrupt mech, forcing disembarked ground combat all over the place.

I believe its been said before that GW's idea for the Necrons is to keep them a good 'beginners' army. That is an army that is cheaper to put together, easy to build and easy to play.

Some of the more 'nifty' hooks in other armies also tend to require some experience to play or take advantage of.

I really think it fits the flavor of the Necrons to keep them kinda dull lumbering hard to kill robots and these rumors seem to support that.

Azure wrote:Almost done reading the Fall of Damnos and it mentions some of what was just mentioned there.

There is a, what can only be described as, Tomb Stalker like construction that spits Guass beams from its mouth with the ability to split into 3-Tomb Spyder things

A Flayed Lord, and other special Lords to

A Chronomancer Lord, abilities include moving many, many kilometers in a few nanoseconds and projecting an aura of despair and suicide planet wide at times

And some sort of reworked Pariah guys that have a leader for their squad.

It also mentions a second gun that Destroyers were able to mod themselves with and that some of the BFG guns are being given to heavier ground units.

D: how did you get it? I thought it doesn't release till mid April

Also, VERY NICE! Loving these rumors, hearing WBB is not exactly FnP but still a sort of form of it is confusing me BUT hearing it's not just a copy/paste is satisfying.

Can't wait for this release, very eager to buy all the new shinies and reap a great tally for the Nightbringer once more. But this time 5th ed competitive.

Hmmm, more ornate immortals........i'll reserve judgement till i see them. I am one of those people who actually liked that lack of ornamentaion on the models.

Part of the reason i started necrosn was that i liked the thought of an implacable force of ientical warriors. more gun options are defintaly a plus, although i was hoping for a box set of 3 Destroyers TBH, although if they lower the cost per model that coudl work as well.

Might have to save up my pennies and buy another Battleforce before they re-launch, at least that way all my basic warriors will look the same.