Rumour about changes of GW paint range (now with paint names and colour diagram)

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**Lockark**

Aerethan wrote:2 weeks? Is shipping that slow in the North?

While I'm not saying that Vallejo needs to be the ONLY paint you use, if a color by GW is discontinued like Pink, but Vallejo still makes it, then you can just order the one color you no longer have and be done with it.

Is your LGS a GW store? If not then I'm quite sure that they can special order Vallejo paints through their wholesaler.

I personally drive 60 miles to get Vallejo Paints(buying at least $40 worth at a time to justify the trip), but have access to Reaper, P3 and GW paints locally. Then there are specialty items like Polyurethane Primers and certain Liquitex products that I have no option but to order online. While it isn't ideal, I need those products and get them where I can.

Yes. Shipping can be that long here in Canada, or at least the part I live in.

If it was a GW store, I would of said GW store. This is a LGS. And no.

I'm quite sure their supplier dose not carry Vallejo. He can Order in GW, P3, and Reaper. He tried carrying P3 paint but no one ever bought it, only the GW paint ever sold. So he has not tried stocking reaper paints, to not go threw that agien. (In the end he had to mark P3 paint at 50% off just to try and get rid of the stock he had). So no, he can't special order Vallejo. Their supplier dose not stock it.

The point I'm making is that for me and my local gaming community, If GW discontinues a colour it sucks for us.

**Polonius**

I guess I don't know much about canadian distributors, but if your FLGS can't special order a product for you, they're not super friendly.

**Lockark**

Polonius wrote:I guess I don't know much about canadian distributors, but if your FLGS can't special order a product for you, they're not super friendly.

Huh? Just because their supplier doesn't carry Vallejo paint?

Trust me, if he could order in Vaelljo paints, he would. He's had enough people ask for them that he was consider stocking them regularly. The problem is he's used other suppliers before with more selection, but they were VERY unreliable. (Longer waits for orders to be shipped out, when they went out of stock on things it was longer waits, ect.)

The guy is ridiculously obsessive about making sure he supports the local wargameing community, and making sure his store is a friendly atmosphere. Trust me when I say this guy is on the up and up, and even IMPLYING the guy and his store isn't friendly is a insult I can't sit back and take in all honesty.

Really what it comes down to is all the suppliers aren't very friendly.
XD

**Buckybits**

Saying Canadian Distributors are unreliable is like saying the surface of the sun is mildly warm. I've worked for game companies and I order from my LGS and I can honestly say that the store owners and the game companies are screwed by the distribution companies up here. Incidentally, if anyone has money, a good game distributor would be amazing.

Anyway, back to paint.
-John

**Polonius**

Well, as I said, I don't know about the distributors. If that's the case, than it's not the fault of your FLGS.

It's just really odd, because there isn't much, in print or out, that my FLGS couldn't get to me.

**Cameron Baum**

Is there any further developments? Is there any further news that there will be a paint change?

Point of interest, all of the painting guides are missing from the GW website...

**Lockark**

Jbuckmaster wrote:Saying Canadian Distributors are unreliable is like saying the surface of the sun is mildly warm. I've worked for game companies and I order from my LGS and I can honestly say that the store owners and the game companies are screwed by the distribution companies up here. Incidentally, if anyone has money, a good game distributor would be amazing.

Anyway, back to paint.
-John

Yah. With the old supplier the LGS here had before, a guy once had to wait more then 6 mounths before getting a box of panzers for flames of war.... Atleast with the guy's he's with now, he can get most things with-in 1-2 weeks of ordering it.

=/

With his currently supplier It's mostly hobby supplies he gets screwed over on mostly. No Vallejo, Army Painter, no Generic Kneadatite(just GW's), ect. I was surprised in all honesty when I found out he could get reaper paints.

And yes. If anyone has the money, game distribution in Canada is probably a safe investment. You don't have to try to hard to be better then most of the one's here.
>____>

**Kroothawk**

Cameron Baum wrote:Is there any further developments? Is there any further news that there will be a paint change?
Point of interest, all of the painting guides are missing from the GW website...

Inquisitors from GW HQ Nottingham are currently travelling around to inform the GW HQs in other countries, with Germany due this week. So we should know some more quite soon.

**Cameron Baum**

Kroothawk wrote:
Cameron Baum wrote:Is there any further developments? Is there any further news that there will be a paint change?
Point of interest, all of the painting guides are missing from the GW website...

Inquisitors from GW HQ Nottingham are currently travelling around to inform the GW HQs in other countries, with Germany due this week. So we should know some more quite soon.

Thanks for that. Maybe soon we'll be told what we probably know already, then...

**Catyrpelius**

Lockark wrote:
Polonius wrote:I guess I don't know much about canadian distributors, but if your FLGS can't special order a product for you, they're not super friendly.

Huh? Just because their supplier doesn't carry Vallejo paint?

Trust me, if he could order in Vaelljo paints, he would. He's had enough people ask for them that he was consider stocking them regularly. The problem is he's used other suppliers before with more selection, but they were VERY unreliable. (Longer waits for orders to be shipped out, when they went out of stock on things it was longer waits, ect.)

The guy is ridiculously obsessive about making sure he supports the local wargameing community, and making sure his store is a friendly atmosphere. Trust me when I say this guy is on the up and up, and even IMPLYING the guy and his store isn't friendly is a insult I can't sit back and take in all honesty.

Really what it comes down to is all the suppliers aren't very friendly.
XD

Game stores can order from more then one supplier...

That being said, Reaper has alot of their own paints that match GW's stuff to. Take a gander and the paint conversion chart and have him special order what your missing.

**Goatboy**

Let me clear something up.
Game store can order from any supplier - check
Do they want to carry the min amount? - unsure
Does the supplier have any objection with other lines in the store?
Are there monthly minimums they have to sell or order?

these are the questions they are asked, maybe his game store doesnt carry the product because of these , maybe they cant order so small of an order

**Alpharius**

Yeah, check this one out:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Paint_Range_Compatibility_Chart

Good times!

**Polonius**

Goatboy wrote:Let me clear something up.
Game store can order from any supplier - check
Do they want to carry the min amount? - unsure
Does the supplier have any objection with other lines in the store?
Are there monthly minimums they have to sell or order?

these are the questions they are asked, maybe his game store doesnt carry the product because of these , maybe they cant order so small of an order

It's understandable, I just think that it's more reasonable to expect people in more remote areas to have to mail order a few paints a year than to stop a complete overhaul of the Citadel paint line.

The argument isn't "my colors are going away forever," it's "It will now be inconvenient for me to get my colors."

I like convenience, it's a great thing. But this isn't a time where I feel a huge amount of empathy.

**Cameron Baum**

If you are painting your army with many differrent colours, this is a nightmare. I have eliten troops in one colour, Trueborns in another, I'm working out another colour combination for a squad/group of Wyches, the vehichles have a certain scheme... And when you hear that the paints are changing, you start to get headaches, because you don't know if you can keep the same colours, or have to work out new combinations... And what if there is too much difference between the old combination, and your closest match-up with the new? Do you then re-paint the old batch?

Not a happy development...

**Orinoco**

Lockark wrote:
The point I'm making is that for me and my local gaming community, If GW discontinues a colour it sucks for us.

Only because you're so die hard militant that you'll do yourself an injury rather than shop anywhere else, ever. If you feel that way your shop could order from the war store or somebody else.

**Aerethan**

Polonius wrote:
Goatboy wrote:Let me clear something up.
Game store can order from any supplier - check
Do they want to carry the min amount? - unsure
Does the supplier have any objection with other lines in the store?
Are there monthly minimums they have to sell or order?

these are the questions they are asked, maybe his game store doesnt carry the product because of these , maybe they cant order so small of an order

It's understandable, I just think that it's more reasonable to expect people in more remote areas to have to mail order a few paints a year than to stop a complete overhaul of the Citadel paint line.

The argument isn't "my colors are going away forever," it's "It will now be inconvenient for me to get my colors."

I like convenience, it's a great thing. But this isn't a time where I feel a huge amount of empathy.

Exactly this. The only reason most people use GW paints in the first place is convenience. They are everywhere that GW products are sold. Do you really use so much paint that you need it NOW and can't wait a few days for shipping? I just view this whole "GW is the only thing I use because I have excuses" thing as unreasonable.

**Alpharius**

Things are getting a bit heated here - Time to get back on track and discuss the actual rumors and/or changes to GW's paint range.

Other stuff will be considered Off Topic.

Please take the philosophical side of the discussion to a different section of the forum (i.e., not the News and Rumors section).

**Aerethan**

right, OT: FOUNDATION WHITE.

April can't get here fast enough!

**yakface**

The new paint names from the same source as before:

BASES
Ceramite White
Averland Sun
Jokaero Orange
Mephiston Red
Khorne Red
Naggaroth Night
Daemonette Hide
Kantor Blue
Macragge Blue
Caledon Sky
Stegadon scale green
Incubi Darkness
Caliban Green
Waaaagh! Flesh
Castellan green
Death world forest
Zandri dust
Steel Legion Drab
Bugmans Glow
Ratskin Flesh
Mournfang brown
XV-88
Rhinox hide
Dryad bark
Mechanicus standard grey
Celestus grey
Abaddon Black (the only black in the range)
Rakarth flesh
The fang
Screamer pink
Leadblecher (metal)
Balthasar Gold (metal)
Screaming Bell (metal)
Warplock brown (metal)

LAYER
White Scar
Yriel Yellow
Flash gitz yellow
Troll slayer orange
Fire dragon bright
Evil sunz scarlet
Wild Rider red
Wazdakka red
Squig Orange
Xereus Purple
Genestealer Purple
Warpfiend Grey
Slaanesh Grey
Alaitoc blue
Hoeth blue
Altdorf guard blue
Calgar blue
Teclis blue
Lothern blue
Sotek green
Temple guard blue
Kabalite green
Sybarite green
Warpstone glow
Moot green
Warboss green
Skarsnik green
Loren Forest
Straken green
Nurgling green
Elysian green
Ogryn camo
Ushabti Bone
Screaming skull
Tallarn sand
Karak stone
Cadian fleshstone
Kislev Flesh
Bestigor flesh
Ungor flesh
Skrag brown
Deathclaw brown
Tau light Ochre
Balor brown
Zamesi brown
Doombull brown
Tuskigor fur
Gorthor Brown
Baneblade Brown
Dawnstone
Administratum grey
Eshin grey
Dark reaper
Thunderhawk blue
Skavenblight dinge
Stormvermin fur
Ulthuan grey
Pallid wych flesh
Russ grey
Fenrisian grey
Pink horror
Emperors Children
Ironbreaker (metal)
Runefang steel (metal)
Gehennas gold(metal)
Auric Armour(metal)
Hashut Copper(metal)
Sycorax Bronze(metal)
Brass Scorpion(metal)
Runelord Brass(metal)

SHADES
Casandora Yellow
Fuegan Orange
Carroburg Crimson
Druchii Violet
Drakenhof Nightshade
Coelia greenshade
Biel-tan green
Athonian camoshade
Seraphim Sepia
Reikland fleshshade
Agrax earthshade (Devlan Mud)
Nuln Oil

DRY
Praxeti White
Hexos palesun
Kindleflame
Lucius Lilac
Etherium blue
Skink blue
Hellion green
Underhive ash
Eldar Flesh
Tyrant Shell
Terminatus stone
Longbeard grey
Changling pink
Necron Compound
Golden Griffon

GLAZE
Lamenters yellow
Waywatcher Green
Guilliman blue
Bloodletter

TEXTURE
Mourn Mountain snow
Stirland Mud
Blackfire Eath
Astrogranite
Armageddon Dust
Lustrian Undergrowth

TECHNICAL
Lahmian Medium
Ard coat
Imperial Primer
Liquid Green stuff

**Alpharius**

All in new confusing but trademarkable names?

Devlan Mud and Badab Black names changed... why?

Is Nuln Oil the New Badab Black? (Ha!)

**kronk**

Alpharius wrote:All in new confusing but trademarkable names?

Devlan Mud and Badab Black names changed... why?

Is Nuln Oil the New Badab Black? (Ha!)

Exactly. Why the hell would you change the name of one of your most popular sellers?

**Aerethan**

I was wondering why I didn't recognize a single name in there.

**Alfndrate**

Man, they really did rename everything...

I've decided though that anything I buy will probably consist of the shades, glazes, textures technicals, and Ceramite White

Like it has already been said, other companies make the same colors in different bottle forms, and I paint from the pot and the palette, so that doesn't really matter to me. I'm just going to have to swallow 3.70 a bottle plus tax though... Though based on what the Lahmian Medium is, it might just be better and easier to buy some Liquitex...

Also, I welcome our new Agrax Earthshade Overlords... All hail the successor to Devlan Mud the Wash, his son Agrax Earthshade of the Shades...

**Kroothawk**

So the ebay auction was genuine, even Slaneesh Grey:

**Alpharius**

Talk about some confusion...

What the hell color is "Screaming Bell" supposed to be?

I suppose we'll figure it out eventually.

And "Lucius Lilac" is just silly.

**Jayce_The_Ace**

Alpharius wrote:Talk about some confusion...

What the hell color is "Screaming Bell" supposed to be?

I suppose we'll figure it out eventually.

And "Lucius Lilac" is just silly.

Totally agree with you here - I'm looking forward to picking some up, but some of those names....seriously WTF.

Does anyone have any ideas on the realease? Can we assume that the current range will be released first under the new names, and the tottally new paints come along at some point?

**kronk**

Alpharius wrote:
And "Lucius Lilac" is just silly.

You know, that's the only one that makes any sense...

Alfndrate wrote:

I've decided though that anything I buy will probably consist of the shades, glazes, textures technicals, and Ceramite White

Like it has already been said, other companies make the same colors in different bottle forms, and I paint from the pot and the palette, so that doesn't really matter to me.

I'm of the same mind. I only use reaper master series paints on a wet palette. However, I will be trying out the textures, technicals, washes, and glazes.

**redbristles**

Some of the names don't even have anything to do with a colour! Why did they call one XV-88? It's not like the suits have a set colour that instantly makes you think of them. Some of these are absolutely awful. Waaaaagh! Flesh??? The fang?? wtf GW.

I'll add that I welcome the expanded paint range but I can';t help but wonder about some of these names.

**Kanluwen**

It looks like "Screaming Bell" is "Dwarf Bronze". I've been using Dwarf Bronze so much over the years that I'd recognize that shade anywhere.

**Kroothawk**

Screaming Bell seems to be a Foundation bronce. Nightshade seems to be Badab Black, Oil a metallic wash I guess.

Always love to have more options with paints. Also curious about the structure paints. Sound like fun.

BTW Release should be April, guess third week after Empire releases.