Release Schedule Rumors and 6th Edition Detail Rumors- OP updated 6/12

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**pretre**

More from Darnok and Whitehat on 6/12

Whitehat wrote:
Reroll hits in CC & Shooting AND Rerolls 1 to wound.

I've checked, Black Templars vow, accept any challenge only gives Preferred Enemy in combat (damn)

The Pancake rule set is mainly wrong, but there is a lot of stuff that made it into the final product.

Expect FW to put out a book of there flyers but with added 6th Ed goodness.

From Darnok on Warseer
AP are on ccw but he says power weapons are ap 2, not 3.
When you charge it's double your move, infantry move 6, bikes 8 cav 7 etc.
It's move assault then shooting now!
Fnp is 5+. Master crafted ccw give you a 5+ invuln save
When you shoot you roll to hit depending on the speed of your target. Fast vehicles you always need a 6.
A unit can't claim a object while inside a vehicle.
There's new kinds of instance death. If your say strengh 8 vs a space marine captain toughness 4
you only do 2 wounds! Strengh (9?) or more would do 3 wounds & kill him.
In kill point missions you get kill points based on what the units points cost, so for example a
landraider would be worth 5 kill points & a unit of marines 3pts.

Whitehat wrote:I mistyped re: the cover saves. Ruins are 4+, the vast majority of stuff is 5+

I did not mistype WS1 for moving vehicles, they are not WS10 if they moved - flyers might be different; not sure.

Preferred Enemy change of reroll 1's to wound is in addition to current rules for Preferred Enemy

Flyers are noted in the BRB changing some of the existing vehicles (Summary sheet in the back)

Eldar Flyer, Void Raven and Tau I believe are in the same wave.

tetrisphreak wrote:More pancake style rumors are cropping up. These are from war seer.

Originally Posted by Darnok These come from a birdy, but I'd advise on heavy
NaCl-usage... AP are on ccw but he says power weapons are ap
2, not 3.
When you charge it's double your move, infantry
move 6, bikes 8 cav 7 etc.
It's move assault then shooting now!
Fnp is 5+. Master crafted ccw give you a 5+ invuln save
When you shoot you roll to hit depending on the
speed of your target. Fast vehicles you always need
a 6.
A unit can't claim a object while inside a vehicle.
There's new kinds of instance death. If your say strengh 8 vs a space marine captain toughness 4
you only do 2 wounds! Strengh (9?) or more would do 3
wounds & kill him.
In kill point missions you get kill points based on
what the units points cost, so for example a
landraider would be worth 5 kill points & a unit of marines 3pts.

I'm going to reiterate that the Pancake playtest is closer to our final document than GW would admit.

tuebor wrote:Darnok just posted these on Warseer:

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Darnok wrote:There are also "Munitorum Templates" (£12, designed with a metal effect look), "Munitorum Tape Measure" (£10, looking like a Servoskull) and "Munitorum Dice" (£10, while stocks last).

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More from Whitehat on 6/11
Rumor Tracking Thread

Whitehat wrote:More Info (unsure if others have mentioned it however)

Plastic Plaguebearers & Nurglings, Finecast Blue Scribes in August (amongst what Im presuming is that metal daemons will be released with Finecast Versions.)
Finecast will replace all metal models in the next year (unsure if that means specialist)

6th ed - a few morsels
Random Charges are 2D6 pick the highest (unless going through Difficult Terrain where its 3D6 and you drop the highest.) Move through cover I believe adds an extra D6

Vehicles are WS0 if stationary, and WS1 if they move, no matter how far they go.

Vehicles go the same distance in the movement phase (I believe 6" and fire everything regardless if fast or not) but in the shooting phase can make an extra move (apparently some kept forgetting what vehicles moved to fast to fire...

Vehicles cannot contest (unsure if scoring units in transports can

6 Missions and 3 deployment types (2 of the deployments are the same as current, Spearhead & Pitched Battle.)

Troops are the only ones that can score (including of course 'scoring units')

5+ Cover save for most things including ruins.

Allies rules are in, but its meant to be for team games (ie separate force org chart, distrusted ally rules similar to Fantasy)

Percentages are *not* in

Wound Allocation is closest to furthest.

Dueling is similar to challenges in fantasy but contrary to earlier rumors, they don't replace Combat res, just add to sides. A IC can challenge another IC in the same combat even if not in base to base. If the defending IC refuses, he simply cannot attack that turn, if he does he counts as being in b2b and no one else can hurt him apart from the attacking IC. I'm guessing this is to offset the Wound Allocation rules

Preferred Enemy is including shooting and you may reroll wound rolls of a 1 (either shooting or combat)

Rapid Fire weapons may now can shoot at long range while moving. restriction on assaulting after rapid firing remains.

Jump Infantry get a free strike at I10 when they charge into combat

Psychic Power Decks using a dice system similar to Fantasy.

Flyers are in.

FNP drops to 5+ Save.

I'm calling it now - Infantryhammer

Kroothawk wrote:More extensive overview by stickmonkey (maybe you should edit the thread title to "Release schedule rumours"):

Rumored Daemon wave:
Plague bearers (5x box) Plastic. Priced as pink horrors
Furies (5x box) plastic. Priced as de scourges
Blue scribes (finecast)
Herald of nurgle (finecast)
Maybe a little surprise here too...
Plastic GDs are done, rumored to have pieces to build named GD as variants ( though not expected til 2013)

Rumored flyer wave:
De bomber
Eldar fighter
Tau fighter
(go look at relevant thread for details)

Rumored box set contents:
Marines
Chaos
( go look at relevant thread for details)

Rumored next Codex:
Chaos Space Marines
( go look at relevant thread for details)

Rumored July release:
6th Ed hard back
6th Ed special edition
Limited templates, game aids, and what not for 6th edition...
( go look at relevant thread for details)

(...)
(On Deffcoptas)
They are a little bulkier, but not that much bigger. A few pilot options, and some (I think 2) grot hangers on. And some other flavor bits. Like all ork kits you can go to town with making it unique. It's 1 full sprue per Kotpa. To do 3 per box would mean the rhino size box.

Apparently, Whitehat thought that the rumor accuracy thread needed rumors in it. I added him to the list with a lot of pendings. Most of them seem pretty safe, but still interesting.

Here's what I posted for him:

Massive Confirmation Spree
I tried to organize his 'confirmations'. I underlined the ones that appear to be new rumors and not just confirmations

Releases
October WOC Release is Delayed PENDING
October will not see a WOC Release PENDING
Dark Angels will not be in May/June TRUE
Eldar will not appear in Oct/Nov PENDING
Tau, is not the first codex in 2013 PENDING
The "DA not updated anytime soon because GW doesn't want to invest in armies no one plays" is not true PENDING
No Eldar before 6th TRUE
No Tau / BT right after CSM PENDING
Chaos Legions will not be the codex PENDING
CSM will appear late in the year PENDING
CSM get one of newest dexes in 6th PENDING
August is Daemons wave (plastic troops, last two boxes) PENDING
DA Early next year PENDING
Apart from CSM, no more codexes/Armybooks this year PENDING

6th Ed
6th Edition will not be in July/August PENDING
June 30 is 6th Ed PENDING
CCW get AP in 6th Ed PENDING
Premeasuring in! PENDING
Wound Allocation is closest models to shooting unit first. PENDING
40k will have challenges similar to fantasy PENDING
Hardcover book PENDING
Starter Box will not feature Dark Angels vs. Eldar PENDING
No EW Levels PENDING
Hull Points PENDING

Other
Eldar flyer spotted PENDING

For context, I think he is listing things from the Rumor Accuracy thread with his own rumor/confirmation/etc right after them. Here's quotes of the original posts:

Whitehat wrote:October WOC Release PENDING

Delayed

CCW get AP in 6th Ed PENDING

Yes

Premeasuring in! PENDING

Yes

Wound Allocation is closest models to shooting unit first. PENDING

Yes

40k will have challenges like in fantasy PENDING

Similar

Hardcover book PENDING

Yes

Eldar flyer spotted PENDING

Yes

Dark Angels (May/June) PENDING

No

6th Edition (July/August) PENDING

No

-Starter Box featuring Dark Angels vs. Eldar PENDING

No

Eldar (Oct/Nov Xenos slot) PENDING

No

October WOC Release PENDING

No

No EW Levels PENDING
Correct

Hull Points PENDING

Yes

Chaos Legions mid Year PENDING

Late, CSM, not Legions

Tau, first codex in 2013 PENDING

No

DA not updated anytime soon because GW doesn't want to invest in armies no one plays PENDING

No

Eldar before 6th PENDING

No

CSM get one of newest dexes in 6th PENDING

Yes

Tau / BT right after CSM PENDING

No

No TOS in 2012 PENDING

No to the Negative

pretre wrote:@Whitehat: Where are you getting your confirmations?

Whitehat wrote:Confirmations are confidential

June 30 is 6th Ed
August is Daemons wave (plastic troops, last two boxes)
DA Early next year
Apart from CSM, no more codexes/Armybooks this year

**catharsix**

Daemons in August is kinda out of left field, although I can certainly see a need to make all the basic Daemons in plastic kits. Isn't it only the Plaguebearers right now that don't have a plastic set?

Here's my guesses (completely not in the know, just common sense+gut+hunches+voodoo mind powers)

Releases
Dark Angels will not be in May/June PENDING

Almost certainly true. July at earliest is my guess. 1st post-6th Ed. Rulebook Codex/Release wave?

Eldar will not appear in Oct/Nov PENDING

Think this is probably right. DA (Aug), then 6th Ed. Starter set w/models (Sept.), CSM (Oct. or Nov., depending on if the do some WHFB release), then... BT? (1st 2013 Codex), then Tau after that (March 2013?)

Tau, is not the first codex in 2013 PENDING
The "DA not updated anytime soon because GW doesn't want to invest in armies no one plays" is not true PENDING -
No Eldar before 6th PENDING
No Tau / BT right after CSM PENDING
Chaos Legions will not be the codex PENDING

For the 5 above, I'm predicting yeah - See above.

CSM will appear late in the year PENDING
CSM get one of newest dexes in 6th PENDING

As per above again, these 2 sound solid.

August is Daemons wave (plastic troops, last two boxes) PENDING

Big surprise if true, but probably need to round out plastic troops, etc.

DA Early next year PENDING

This seems like it isn't true. I think DA should be within this year. I haven't seen or heard anything that would indicate it won't be.

Apart from CSM, no more codexes/Armybooks this year PENDING

Surprise to me, though maybe I've seen infor to this effect already? (I'm scatterbrained

) What would the reason for NO CODICES at all for half a year?

6th Ed
6th Edition will not be in July/August PENDING
June 30 is 6th Ed PENDING
CCW get AP in 6th Ed PENDING
Premeasuring in! PENDING
Wound Allocation is closest models to shooting unit first. PENDING
40k will have challenges similar to fantasy PENDING
Hardcover book PENDING
Starter Box will not feature Dark Angels vs. Eldar PENDING
No EW Levels PENDING
Hull Points PENDING

All sounds pretty much in line with multiple rumor sources, and not totally crazy.

I want to know if ALLIES will be in. I'm of two minds on this:

1). Seems like, rules/meta-game-wise, this could be breaking. You can plug the weakness of your army with a unit (or units?) from another which perfectly fill that role your army can't. Every army need a weakness. Or, put another way, every army needs limitations. This could change that.

2). I would love to see it because then it gives me an excuse to paint up a full squad of Army X that is not my Army, but I really like Unit Y, but can't justify spending $$$ on them if I can't play with them. This makes that expenditure (of $$$, time, effort, paiting, etc. worth it. Would be a smart business move on GW's part if you ask me.

Just my 2 cents.

-C6

**pretre**

Yeah, my opinion of this new guy is that he went the 'party line' on rumor mongers for most of them and made safe bets. Pretty much the only 'new info' was the daemons thing.

**H.B.M.C.**

Plaguebearers and... what else? Something already in Finecost/metal that is moving across like the Crushers did?

**Aeon**

Nurglings maybe? Would that be good enough for a seperate box thou? (he didnt specify PBs, rather troops...)

**Acardia**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Plaguebearers and... what else? Something already in Finecost/metal that is moving across like the Crushers did?

Fiends resculpt in a 3 box pack would sell well. I'd likely buy 4 boxes.

**H.B.M.C.**

As would Flamers and Screamers...

**MasterSlowPoke**

Everyone's favorite, Furies of Chaos!

**Melissia**

Ah, damn . Sisters not even mentioned at all.

Figures.

**lord_blackfang**

Aeon wrote:Nurglings maybe? Would that be good enough for a seperate box thou? (he didnt specify PBs, rather troops...)

I wouldn't be terribly opposed to a "character mini sprue" with 10 nurglings on it.

**terranarc**

How much was "confirmed" BEFORE Blood of Kittens and BoW came out with their official leaks? You can't say, GUYS I HAS A RUMOR! NO ELDAR BEFORE 6TH EDITION, a month before 6th's release, and expect any credibility.

**Aeon**

Lol! There are official rumors now?

**deejaybainbridge**

pretre wrote:

6th Ed
6th Edition will not be in July/August PENDING
June 30 is 6th Ed PENDING
CCW get AP in 6th Ed PENDING
Premeasuring in! PENDING
Wound Allocation is closest models to shooting unit first. PENDING
40k will have challenges similar to fantasy PENDING
Hardcover book PENDING
Starter Box will not feature Dark Angels vs. Eldar PENDING
No EW Levels PENDING
Hull Points PENDING

So most of this is what has been stated by Beasts of War in the recent video series.
Confusing when you state 6th will not be in July but maybe the day before (30th June). It will fall under a July release (WD Issue) if both those rumours are true.

I do however like the sound of Hull points.

Releases
October WOC Release is Delayed PENDING
October will not see a WOC Release PENDING
Dark Angels will not be in May/June [b]PENDING [/b][i]
Eldar will not appear in Oct/Nov PENDING
Tau, is not the first codex in 2013 PENDING
The "DA not updated anytime soon because GW doesn't want to invest in armies no one plays" is not true PENDING
No Eldar before 6th PENDING
No Tau / BT right after CSM PENDING
Chaos Legions will not be the codex PENDING
CSM will appear late in the year PENDING
CSM get one of newest dexes in 6th PENDING
August is Daemons wave (plastic troops, last two boxes) PENDING
DA Early next year PENDING
Apart from CSM, no more codexes/Armybooks this year PENDING

Only one Dex for the rest of the year is interesting. Hoped for two at least.

Also Dark Angels will not be in May/June is a bit obvious given it's the 7th June.

**reds8n**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Plaguebearers and... what else? Something already in Finecost/metal that is moving across like the Crushers did?

I've heard talk about this wave possibly including something new... which presumably would have rules in WD ( or online ?) or somesuch.

Something like plastic heralds would be nice, especially if there was decent compatibility with the plastic troop models.

**SagesStone**

Maybe Fiends or Beasts of Nurgle. Interesting either way seeing as didn't we have a Daemon wave last August? I remember as the release was on my birthday.

**Vemores32**

I'm seeing contradictory rumours there.

Chaos Legions will not be the codex

Apart from CSM, no more codexes/Armybooks this year

Unless this means there are 2 Chaos codexes coming?

**AlexHolker**

Vemores32 wrote:I'm seeing contradictory rumours there.

Chaos Legions will not be the codex

Apart from CSM, no more codexes/Armybooks this year

Unless this means there are 2 Chaos codexes coming?

That's not contradictory: he's saying there is a CSM codex coming, but it's not a Chaos Legions codex.

**Chaos Emperor**

would love a chaos legions 'dex and a chaos renegedes (with huron and lots of new guys).
as for daemons; fiends of slaanesh, beasts of nurgle, furies (hopefully rescult), plastic heralds would be cool with options for chariot and stuff. also flesh hounds plaguebearers, flamers, screamers and fincast masque and epidemius, as well as whichever greater deamons aren't finecast.
there is also the lack of a few character models such as; skarbrand, ku'gath, the blue scribes (all of which have seemingly fallen off the face of the earth)

**Vemores32**

AlexHolker wrote:
Vemores32 wrote:I'm seeing contradictory rumours there.

Chaos Legions will not be the codex

Apart from CSM, no more codexes/Armybooks this year

Unless this means there are 2 Chaos codexes coming?

That's not contradictory: he's saying there is a CSM codex coming, but it's not a Chaos Legions codex.

Ahh thanks, I haven't heard anything about a Legions codex in quite some time, so I assumed there would only be 1 codex.

If this is true it'd be lovely.

**pretre**

terranarc wrote:How much was "confirmed" BEFORE Blood of Kittens and BoW came out with their official leaks? You can't say, GUYS I HAS A RUMOR! NO ELDAR BEFORE 6TH EDITION, a month before 6th's release, and expect any credibility.

Yep, that's part of my beef with this new guy. He picked the obvious stuff and jumped in on that. Heck he picked the TOS rumor when it was announced recently.

deejaybainbridge wrote:So most of this is what has been stated by Beasts of War in the recent video series.
Confusing when you state 6th will not be in July but maybe the day before (30th June). It will fall under a July release (WD Issue) if both those rumours are true.

I do however like the sound of Hull points.

Only one Dex for the rest of the year is interesting. Hoped for two at least.

Also Dark Angels will not be in May/June is a bit obvious given it's the 7th June.

Same as above. Low hanging fruit.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Melissia wrote:Ah, damn . Sisters not even mentioned at all.

Figures.

Ahahahahaha. Oh, you were serious. Yeah, I wouldn't expect anything from sisters until about 2016 or so at the earliest. That's probably overly generous.

And for those who say 'but plastic sisters rumors'... Plastic sisters rumors have been going around for almost as long as I've been playing this game.

**Brother SRM**

pretre wrote:

Melissia wrote:Ah, damn . Sisters not even mentioned at all.

Figures.

Ahahahahaha. Oh, you were serious. Yeah, I wouldn't expect anything from sisters until about 2016 or so at the earliest. That's probably overly generous.

And for those who say 'but plastic sisters rumors'... Plastic sisters rumors have been going around for almost as long as I've been playing this game.

You sure they've only been going around that long? Wouldn't be surprised if they'd been going on for longer. Even so, a Sisters release is such a pie in the sky idea (it shouldn't be, but welp) that I won't pretend to act disappointed when I don't hear about it for another three years.

**pretre**

Brother SRM wrote:You sure they've only been going around that long? Wouldn't be surprised if they'd been going on for longer. Even so, a Sisters release is such a pie in the sky idea (it shouldn't be, but welp) that I won't pretend to act disappointed when I don't hear about it for another three years.

Well, I started around the beginning of 3rd, end of 2nd, so that's a pretty long time. The Sisters minis were relatively new back then, so I can't imagine plastic was that old a rumor when I first heard it.

**Lazarus426**

Two days ago I purchase enough components to bitz bash EIGHTY plaguebearers ... today .... this. :(

**Brother SRM**

Lazarus426 wrote:Two days ago I purchase enough components to bitz bash EIGHTY plaguebearers ... today .... this. :(

I wouldn't shed any tears until we see pictures. On the bright side, you'll have some unique daemons if/when this plays out!

**SagesStone**

If the Daemonettes and Horrors are anything to go by they may end up being tears of joy.

**biccat**

Warriors of Chaos in October? WoC is strong but they're certainly not overpowered.

What about DoC or HE if they're trying to draw back the power creep (based on previous releases)?

Or, if they're updating old army books, why not some of the ones in dire need of an update (Brets & Dwarves)?

MasterSlowPoke wrote:Everyone's favorite, Furies of Chaos!

Hey, I'd love to see some plastic furies. Only for the wings, but still...

**pretre**

biccat wrote:Warriors of Chaos in October? WoC is strong but they're certainly not overpowered.

Well, the rumor said that WOC were October but are delayed to a later date now.

**Melissia**

pretre wrote:Ahahahahaha. Oh, you were serious. Yeah, I wouldn't expect anything from sisters until about 2016 or so at the earliest. That's probably overly generous.

And for those who say 'but plastic sisters rumors'... Plastic sisters rumors have been going around for almost as long as I've been playing this game.

I was serious in saying I didn't really expect any rumors (thus the "Figures." at the end of my post), yes.

**biccat**

pretre wrote:
biccat wrote:Warriors of Chaos in October? WoC is strong but they're certainly not overpowered.

Well, the rumor said that WOC were October but are delayed to a later date now.

But does that mean that WoC is delayed in favor of another army book, or simply that WHFB is pushed off another few months?

**BladeWalker**

Are we sure this isn't just the 2 Plaguebearer boxes being redone in Finecast?