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Just to be sure, I have some questions.
First of all a couple of short cuts to the rules:
A]
p79. Disembarking restrictions
"[..] cannot declare a charge in their subsequent Assault phase".
B]
p.80 And Damage effect on passengers.
Wrecked
"The passengers [...] disembark..."
Explodes
"placed"; No mention of disembarking.
C]
Another rule that was in FAQ (but the BRB FAQ went away) that stated that, if vehicle is gone, all the benefits to passengers are gone.
D]
p.33 Assault Vehicle
"Passengers disembarking [...] can charge in the turn they do so, even when the vehicle was destroyed"
E]
p.9 The turn
"Whenever a rule refers to 'a turn' it always means 'player turn' unless it specifically refers to a 'game turn'.

So, let's have a situation:
My enemy has Land Raider full of Khorne Berzerkers. In my turn I move my Fire Dragons and melt Land Rider away. A couple of questions:
1) First of all, does rule C] exist anywhere RAW? I don't remember this one in 6th BRB. If not, does it still apply?
2) If I wreck LR, can Berks assault my Fire Dragons or can I ride safely into the sunset in the nearby Serpent.
2b) What if LR is a Rhino.....
3) If I make LR explode, can Berks assault my Fire Dragons or can I ride safely into the sunset in the nearby Serpent.
3b) What if LR is a Rhino.....

EDIT:
Added Assault vehicle.
EDIT 2:
Added Turn.

these are really good questions.

Macok wrote:
1) First of all, does rule C] exist anywhere RAW? I don't remember this one in 6th BRB. If not, does it still apply?
2) If I wreck LR, can Berks assault my Fire Dragons or can I ride safely into the sunset in the nearby Serpent.
2b) What if LR is a Rhino.....
3) If I make LR explode, can Berks assault my Fire Dragons or can I ride safely into the sunset in the nearby Serpent.
3b) What if LR is a Rhino.....

1. This wasn't so much a rule as clarification. You don't benefit from things that don't exist. It's that simple.
2. Wreck is disembarking, no. There's no longer a Land Raider around to let you benefit from Assault Vehicle.
3. Wreck is disembarking, no.
3. Explodes is not disembarking, yes.
4. Explodes is not disembarking, yes.

Time to drive backwards at my enemy!

Funnily enough, rulebook is contradictory on what to do with passengers from exploding vehicles.
Page 80 says they're placed where vehicle used to be, page 426 says that they must disembark and are limited to 3" move.

1) It was not a rule per se, but FAQ answer. It probably still exists as Assault Vehicle USR specifically says that it works even on the player turn that vehicle was destroyed.

2) No, as it's their subsequent assault phase they cannot declare charge and assault Vehicle USR only benefits them during your turn in this case.
2b) Same as 2

3) Now, this depends on which is correct, page 80 or page 426. If page 80 is correct, they can assault you as they technically didn't disembark. If page 426, answer is same as 2)
3b) Same as 3

Wait, if you blow it up on your turn, on their turn they should be able to assault you...

I don't have a BRB in front of me, but I'm pretty sure If I disembark on MY turn I can't assault you in my subsequent assault phase.

But if you blow up a vehicle and I disembark on your turn, assuming i'm not pinned or anything, i'm going to move, shoot and assault like normal.

Is this the question we're answering?

Luide wrote:
Page 80 says they're placed where vehicle used to be, page 426 says that they must disembark and are limited to 3" move.

I know it won't necessarily convince anyone, and it's not official, but in the gaming world, rules usually take precedence over summaries.

Pg 80 has the rule, pg 426 is a summary.

But like I said, this may convince no one.

The BRB does say open top vehicles the guys can still assault even if it was destroyed that turn. I'm guess that non open topped wouldn't get to assault.

DarknessEternal wrote:1. This wasn't so much a rule as clarification. You don't benefit from things that don't exist. It's that simple.

That is false.

Page 33: Assault Vehicle rule says they can charge on the turn their vehicle was destroyed.

jcress410 wrote:Wait, if you blow it up on your turn, on their turn they should be able to assault you...

I don't have a BRB in front of me, but I'm pretty sure If I disembark on MY turn I can't assault you in my subsequent assault phase.

But if you blow up a vehicle and I disembark on your turn, assuming i'm not pinned or anything, i'm going to move, shoot and assault like normal.

Is this the question we're answering?

I'm with jcress. I'm quite confused.

So, we're all wondering that if Player X blows up Player Y's Vehicle with stuff in it, can that stuff assault in the next assault phase? Hmm, well... Hang on a minute, they can't anyway, because it's Player X's turn. And the stuff being unable to act in Player Y's next turn doesn't seem right, so I can't see the problem.

I'm missing something, aren't I?

Assault Vehicle specifically states you may assault from the vehicle, even if it was destroyed.

The Shadow wrote:

jcress410 wrote:Wait, if you blow it up on your turn, on their turn they should be able to assault you...

I don't have a BRB in front of me, but I'm pretty sure If I disembark on MY turn I can't assault you in my subsequent assault phase.

But if you blow up a vehicle and I disembark on your turn, assuming i'm not pinned or anything, i'm going to move, shoot and assault like normal.

Is this the question we're answering?

I'm with jcress. I'm quite confused.

So, we're all wondering that if Player X blows up Player Y's Vehicle with stuff in it, can that stuff assault in the next assault phase? Hmm, well... Hang on a minute, they can't anyway, because it's Player X's turn. And the stuff being unable to act in Player Y's next turn doesn't seem right, so I can't see the problem.

I'm missing something, aren't I?

The problem here is Player Y wouldn't be able to assault if his vehicle was wrecked. But when the transport explodes it seems like they can. (so as wereat says : time to drive bavkwards to enemy!!)

jcress410 wrote:Wait, if you blow it up on your turn, on their turn they should be able to assault you...

They aren't though.

jcress410 wrote:
I don't have a BRB in front of me, but I'm pretty sure If I disembark on MY turn I can't assault you in my subsequent assault phase.
But if you blow up a vehicle and I disembark on your turn, assuming i'm not pinned or anything, i'm going to move, shoot and assault like normal.

Here you're wrong. The restrictions from disembarking apply to the units subsequent Shooting and Assault phase. So if I'm player A and my opponent is player B and I wreck my opponents LR with berzerkers inside in Turn 2 A, he cannot declare assault on me during Turn 2 B as it is the berzerkers subsequent assault phase.
If the rule lacked "their" you'd be right though.

jcress410 wrote:
Is this the question we're answering?

Partially. You're missing the wrecked vs exploded distinction (disembark vs placed).

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Assault Vehicle specifically states you may assault from the vehicle, even if it was destroyed.

Yes, but it also states that it's on the turn it was destroyed. I will add this to the OP.

Macok wrote:

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Assault Vehicle specifically states you may assault from the vehicle, even if it was destroyed.

Yes, but it also states that it's on the turn it was destroyed. I will add this to the OP.

Yes...but one turn includes both players turn. Example...It's turn 1, Player A goes then Player B goes. Now it's turn 2.

If you guys are going to abuse the wording "their subsequent assault phase", then I'm going to abuse the wording of Turn.

DeathReaper wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:1. This wasn't so much a rule as clarification. You don't benefit from things that don't exist. It's that simple.

That is false.

Page 33: Assault Vehicle rule says they can charge on the turn their vehicle was destroyed.

Right, but it was wrecked in MY turn, not yours.

I might just not play until all of this kind of stuff gets FAQ'd.

If RAW a unit can't assault in the top of turn 2 because its transport blew up in the bottom of the turn...

That's a crazy advantage for going first, really nerfs every ork army I'd want to play...

Grugknuckle wrote:
Yes...but one turn includes both players turn. Example...It's turn 1, Player A goes then Player B goes. Now it's turn 2.

"Turn" always means "player turn" and not "game turn" unless specified. The rules tell us this.

Again..it says, "on THE turn their vehicle was destroyed" not on the player turn that the vehicle was destroyed.

In each turn both players get a player turn. So say it's turn 1 and you go first and wreck my Land Raider during your shooting phase. I can still assault on my turn because it is still Turn 1 - the same turn my land raider was destroyed.


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DarknessEternal wrote:

Grugknuckle wrote:
Yes...but one turn includes both players turn. Example...It's turn 1, Player A goes then Player B goes. Now it's turn 2.

"Turn" always means "player turn" and not "game turn" unless specified. The rules tell us this.

page #?

Grugknuckle wrote:Again..it says, "on THE turn their vehicle was destroyed" not on the player turn that the vehicle was destroyed.

In each turn both players get a player turn. So say it's turn 1 and you go first and wreck my Land Raider during your shooting phase. I can still assault on my turn because it is still Turn 1 - the same turn my land raider was destroyed.

Darkness is correct. I updated OP.

Grugknuckle wrote:

Macok wrote:

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Assault Vehicle specifically states you may assault from the vehicle, even if it was destroyed.

Yes, but it also states that it's on the turn it was destroyed. I will add this to the OP.

Yes...but one turn includes both players turn. Example...It's turn 1, Player A goes then Player B goes. Now it's turn 2.

If you guys are going to abuse the wording "their subsequent assault phase", then I'm going to abuse the wording of Turn.

Unless they changed it and I missed it any reference to turn is player turn not game turn unless stated otherwise.

Grugknuckle wrote:

Macok wrote:

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Assault Vehicle specifically states you may assault from the vehicle, even if it was destroyed.

Yes, but it also states that it's on the turn it was destroyed. I will add this to the OP.

Yes...but one turn includes both players turn. Example...It's turn 1, Player A goes then Player B goes. Now it's turn 2.

If you guys are going to abuse the wording "their subsequent assault phase", then I'm going to abuse the wording of Turn.

Except there is a part in the BRB (don't have it on me right now) which specifically says turn means player turn unless it specifically says game turn

Someone give me a page number. I need to look that up.

Grugknuckle wrote:Again..it says, "on THE turn their vehicle was destroyed" not on the player turn that the vehicle was destroyed.

In each turn both players get a player turn. So say it's turn 1 and you go first and wreck my Land Raider during your shooting phase. I can still assault on my turn because it is still Turn 1 - the same turn my land raider was destroyed.


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DarknessEternal wrote:

Grugknuckle wrote:
Yes...but one turn includes both players turn. Example...It's turn 1, Player A goes then Player B goes. Now it's turn 2.

"Turn" always means "player turn" and not "game turn" unless specified. The rules tell us this.

page #?

Page 9.

Is it really that hard to use an index.....

Whenever a rule refers to 'a turn' it always means' player turn' unless it specifically refers to a 'game turn'.

Page 9

Gah....

Is this different from 5th ed?

I quoted the turn rule like 10 minutes ago.
I'm sorry Grugknuckle, but you are incorrect on this matter. Can we move on..?
EDIT:
No, it's the same.

Grugknuckle wrote:Gah....

Is this different from 5th ed?

No, 5th had the same rule.

This really seems like a pretty glaring oversight. Doesn't the first game or two of playtesting expose glitches like these?

Why do we have to wait for a faq before the rules are complete?

jcress410 wrote:This really seems like a pretty glaring oversight. Doesn't the first game or two of playtesting expose glitches like these?

Why do we have to wait for a faq before the rules are complete?

There's no glitch, everything in his question is defined in the ruleset. (but ignore my first post, I was wrong about the Assault Vehicle non-existence thing)