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It looks like the writers of our new rulebook have a sick sense of irony. As the 13th black crusade closes in, threatening to swallow Holy Terra itself, the Imperial Guard laugh at the pathetic war machines of their elite Space Marine comrades. Soon, all xenos, devotees of chaos, and even loyal followers of the Imperial Truth will be swept away in a storm of violence by the Imperial Guard.

Every time you fail a charge on those veterans and get blasted by multiple rounds of meltaguns, or miss their Vendettas with your autocannons, or watch your AV 12 vehicles get blown away in a storm of multilasers, all you will see is the laughing faces of those humans you once called puny.

We the Grey Knights will resist! Even though our paladins cry at the idea of Overwatch as they charge Chimeras, and our Dreadnoughts cower in fear from multilasers, we shall attempt to throw them back with our half-assed power weapons and considerably easier to negate physic attacks.

Your only hope now is to desert your former comrades and join the Space Wolves, so you can hide your Long Fangs behind an invincible wall of Thunder Wolves, while hoping in vain than your flak missiles will be enough.

To those with a sense of duty and honor, I bid you a quick death, for the alternative is much worse.

uh huh. So that is your 'tactic'? play guard?

Doomscythe says: "hi guyz! I'm in your base annihiliating your vehicles! lol"

All hail vendettas!

Neorealist wrote:uh huh. So that is your 'tactic'? play guard?

No, it's "Die slowly."

In 6th Ed. my Nids are 4-0 against IG. They are definitly not autowin and they are still very easy to kill. And I have faced 1 flyer spam list (3 Valks), 1 Mech list (Hydras and tanks), and 2 blob IG armys.

They play diffrent, but so does every army now. IG strengths are just easier to see.

Moused this thread: "In 6th Ed. my Nids are 4-0 against IG", then opened it and saw your nid-coloured vendetta.

For a moment there I thought some nid player had finally snapped and started a deliberately half-assed nid counts-as IG army. Guardsmen with little termagant tails and LRBTs with carnifex talons.

I came here looking for a Necron thread.

Needless to say, I am disappointed.

And considering IG: pfff, those former effective gun lines have been vaporized by my Doomscythes often enough. Even managed to destroy a FoR in a single turn.

Sigvatr wrote:

And considering IG: pfff, those former effective gun lines have been vaporized by my Doomscythes often enough. Even managed to destroy a FoR in a single turn.

/clap?

helium42 wrote:

Sigvatr wrote:

And considering IG: pfff, those former effective gun lines have been vaporized by my Doomscythes often enough. Even managed to destroy a FoR in a single turn.

/clap?

It's just incredibly satisfying to finally get rid of those parking lot lamers. Seeing their smile fade away is pure gold. Their bitter tears fill my metal heart with joy.

Just as our beating hearts sing with joy as the last of your flyers fall out of the sky.

The hydra gunner turns to his driver and says, "isn't it funny that with all their super technology and mechanical precision, the necron's airships are so flimsy? You'd think they'd take a page from our book and... idunno, maybe bolt on some sheet metal. Might be able to take a bullet then."

Famous last words.

what, sheet metal?

lets break down things in the 40k universe that remind us of sheet metal:

Storm Shields (awesome)
Leman Russ hulls (more awesome)
Anything the Mechanicus gets it's hands on (includes titans, so super awesome)
Necron Warrior's dead bodies after taking 40 las shots to the chest (useful for field-repairing Chimeras [conservation awesome])

Yeah, i'll stick by sheet metal as pretty awesome last words

I'd like to add shields that only exist in the split-second a shot hits.

And haha, Titan Armor is awesome? Tell that to my litte bug friends over here. nomnomnom.

The Mechanicus is awesome. A whole group of humans corrupted by a C'Tan...cool. Let them make more armor please

Not to mention: living metal. Since we're talking about fluff here, living metal just takes the cake. No competition.

I iz wiff da 'umies. If it isn't tuff enuff, bolt more metal on it. If it's tuff enuff, bolt more metal on it anyways. If da enemy has tuffer wagons dan you, smash dem and bolt the pieces on your wagons. Any mek knows dat.

Jidmah wrote:I iz wiff da 'umies. If it isn't tuff enuff, bolt more metal on it. If it's tuff enuff, bolt more metal on it anyways. If da enemy has tuffer wagons dan you, smash dem and bolt the pieces on your wagons. Any mek knows dat.

Ork Logic, gotta love it!!!

+1 kan of red paint ta youz

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hold up, inaccuracy here. You mean to tell me that in the 40th millennium, a race of super advanced sentient robots who are able to transfer souls into mechanical bodies, AND teleport are threatening all of mankind, but haven't worked out trinary computing?

The same race of super advanced sentient (?) robots is described as the technically most advanced race in the universe and what do they produce?

Open-topped vehicles.

And vehicles with drivers. You're robots for cryin out loud, doesn't it seem odd that instead of having a vehicle that drives itself, you have a robot sitting there driving your robot hover skiff?

Can we have a mod send this to Discussions? This is nowhere close to being about tactics. Or practically anything else for that matter...

IG fliers have nothing on the necron air force. it's not even close to them. People need more crazy necron friends to show them how broken 3 doom sythes +3 -4 night scythes + wraiths + ccb and a bunch of 2+ MSS overlords can be.

It's pretty terrible to fight against currently with nothing but Twin linked to help. (quad gun does not survive all those tesla shots)

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I take offense to that. Anyway, Guard is once again the most OP army, what else is new?

Technically, we only have the Rulebook for now, so the other factions are still unbalanced. Somehow...this thread reminds me of troll bait.

Sigvatr wrote:I came here looking for a Necron thread.

Needless to say, I am disappointed.

And considering IG: pfff, those former effective gun lines have been vaporized by my Doomscythes often enough. Even managed to destroy a FoR in a single turn.

Agreed...see those Leman Russes in the center? Suicide charge with Land Speeders armed with Multi-meltas...follow up with flanking hit-and-run strikes with Space Marine Bikes and any remaining Land Speeders against foot soldiers and transports. If the HQ is separated, a beheading strike with a biker captain and co. will do nicely. Or instead of a suicide charge, typhoon launchers...bomb them from a distance with missiles.

androcles138 wrote:And vehicles with drivers. You're robots for cryin out loud, doesn't it seem odd that instead of having a vehicle that drives itself, you have a robot sitting there driving your robot hover skiff?

Lore-wise, it makes sense to me as Necron aren't robots but former...humanoids that traded their souls for immortality, thus it makes sense that they still have pilots, gunners, etc. although technically, they would not need them.

Jidmah wrote:I iz wiff da 'umies. If it isn't tuff enuff, bolt more metal on it. If it's tuff enuff, bolt more metal on it anyways. If da enemy has tuffer wagons dan you, smash dem and bolt the pieces on your wagons. Any mek knows dat.

"Hmmmm.... dem laindraiders are ded 'ard... we need our wagonz to be dat 'ard...."

One wrecked landraider Bolted onto a battlewagon later...

"COME CHECK OUT MAH NEWEST INNOVASHUN BOYZ!"

And that is why battlewagons have AV 14 on the front boyz.

Has anyone actually played an optimized guard list?

x2 CCS w/ x4 Meltaguns + Astropaths in Chimeras

x3 Vets w/ x3 Meltaguns and x3 Autocannons in Chimeras

x3 Vets w/ x3 Meltaguns one w/ Autocannon

x3 Vendettas

x3x2 Hydras

This kind of firepower most certainly will not struggle to take down vehicles of any kind. Honestly, 9 or so melta shots is enough to take out any flyer, and this list has 26. And blob guard is solidly tier three in 6th ed.

Mustela wrote:Has anyone actually played an optimized guard list?

x2 CCS w/ x4 Meltaguns + Astropaths in Chimeras

x3 Vets w/ x3 Meltaguns and x3 Autocannons in Chimeras

x3 Vets w/ x3 Meltaguns one w/ Autocannon

x3 Vendettas

x3x2 Hydras

This kind of firepower most certainly will not struggle to take down vehicles of any kind. Honestly, 9 or so melta shots is enough to take out any flyer, and this list has 26. And blob guard is solidly tier three in 6th ed.

Yeah, so... how you plan on dealing with a green tide man? Because even if you put heavy flamers on all those chimeras and hydras, there's no way you're chewing through a 180 boyz without being overwhelmed. Or mas infantry guard, or the Tyranid baby monster spam (tervigon, termagaunt, can't remember its name)

Just because you can kill armor doesn't mean its an optimized list.

For the Necron guy:


Taldashi aren't typhoons str8? So they're not really too effective against Leman Russes. Especially Leman Russes in cover with a 3+ or a 4+.

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:

Taldashi aren't typhoons str8? So they're not really too effective against Leman Russes. Especially Leman Russes in cover with a 3+ or a 4+.

Which is why primary tactic is a suicide charge/deep strike and hit them hard with Multi-meltas. Its a messy tactic, I know, but the alternative is flitting around the Land Speeders and just firing missiles (which would take time and patience). The rest of the army I can take care of with hit-and-run strikes with Bikes...just have to be real patient, except with the tanks. Those HAVE to go, and fast.

Mustela wrote:Has anyone actually played an optimized guard list?

x2 CCS w/ x4 Meltaguns + Astropaths in Chimeras

x3 Vets w/ x3 Meltaguns and x3 Autocannons in Chimeras

x3 Vets w/ x3 Meltaguns one w/ Autocannon

x3 Vendettas

x3x2 Hydras

This kind of firepower most certainly will not struggle to take down vehicles of any kind. Honestly, 9 or so melta shots is enough to take out any flyer, and this list has 26. And blob guard is solidly tier three in 6th ed.

No offense whatsoever,

But this might be THE most narrow-minded, most netlist-tryhard, cookie-cutter mishmash that will absolutely crumple against a real list.

Let's see here.

MeltaCCS's
Using your warlord as a close ranged tank-hunting unit? Smells like a free Warlord-kill VP

Meltavets in Chimeras
Sorry, these don't instawin games anymore. With the weakening of transports, you're going to see a lot more foot-infantry. "Oh you can ID my guardsman and his lasgun? Good thing I've got 39 more."

Meltavets in Vendettas
This is the best place for meltavets right now, but drop the autocannon. They're going to get dropped by a tank, pop it, and probably get lit up. That AC is wasted if you use them right.

Vendettas and Hydras
Redundant. The Vendettas will be fine for anti-flyer, maybe take 1 Hydra, but you don't want all that paper-thin Heavy Support, especially if the opponents don't even run flyers.

Find some plasma. This is 6th edition. GetsHotHammer 40k has begun.