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Hey all, a search didn't answer my question. So here we go.

There is no rule stating that, when fighting challenges you respect the models true weapon skill and true toughness. Their seems to be only one section talking about determining to hit values and to wound values, and in both cases they make no mention of anything but unit-wide.

In the challenge section, the only passage I could find was that the models in a challenge are treated as being in base to base with only each other, this would not invalidate majority WS and toughness...

Is this an oversight? Working as intended?

Hmmm, it would appear to be an oversight. They seem to have copy-pasted it directly over from Fantesy and forgotten that Fantesy doesn't use majority toughness or WS.

Since the challenge is treated as a completely separate melee, it's working as intended. You still check between the two models.

But it doesn't say that. It just says they are only in BtB with each other.

You can only allocate to the model you're in the challenge with, though. You can't use the weapon skill/toughness of a unit you can't allocate to to determine what you need to roll.

Again, the challange rules don't override the overarching rule that units use majority T and WS in combat. The only thing the challange rules say is that LoS can't be taken and the 2 models can only attack each other(which means wounds go on each other)

Use model T and WS. It's not RAW, but it's RAI (I hope), it's how GTs have ruled it, it's how the GW Midwest Battle Bunker TO has ruled it, and rumors are the FAQ coming out this month says that too.

Pure RAW, seems to say nothing concrete, but depending on how you read 429 in the BRB, it can go either way.

This will have to wait until after the faq comes out and we know for sure if challenge wounds do or do not overflow. If they do not (which they do not but we have to wait to be 100% certain) than what was said earlier is true: since wounds can only be allocated to the opponent in the challenge you use his WS/T. If they do overflow, you would have to use majority since it is not a separate combat.

Looks like a rules hiccup to me. I can't see anyone trying to abuse this.

Beamo wrote:You can only allocate to the model you're in the challenge with, though. You can't use the weapon skill/toughness of a unit you can't allocate to to determine what you need to roll.

The model you challenged is still a part of the unit he came from. The challenge rules don't treat him as a separate unit, you just allocate specifically to him.

Having said that, I would definitely agree with the 'oversight' camp on this one.