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I was wondering if it was possible to include a primaris psycher in a 1000pt army.
How would you kit them out? What roles would work well for them in this points range? Is it worth losing CCS orders?

He only costs 75 points so you can easily squeeze him into a 1000pt list. You get 2 HQ slots so take the command squad as well I'd think. The Psyker gets access to 4 of the psychic powers charts so just pick a good (or fun) 2 powers to run with him. Anti-infantry + unit buff, Anti-tank + anti-infantry, you have lots of options. I just steer clear of powers that buff him as you aren't going to be trying to swing him into CC.

Sencho wrote:Anti-infantry+Anti-tank

I've never really considered taking a psycher instead of LRBT. Could be a very cost efficient way of creating some points space in my list.

I saw somoeone mention Telepathy powers combined with Psyker Battle Squad. Haven't looked at it myself but might be worth a look-see.

I think the Primaris is still more of a fun option than a competitive one even with it being errated and getting the new psychic powers. I play the game for fun so throwing a Primaris in over something else is something I'll do over using those points for something more dominant. That's just me though as I don't have to win at 40k to have a good time.

I have not tried out a primaris with the new powers yet, but I can say that the fact that they can't take divination is a blow to their effectiveness in my view.

don_mondo wrote:I saw somoeone mention Telepathy powers combined with Psyker Battle Squad. Haven't looked at it myself but might be worth a look-see.

Doesn't work well. Weaken resolve is resolved in the shooting phase, while maledictions happen at the start of the turn. If WR get's faq'ed to become a malediction, it opens for amazing combinations.

Sencho wrote:
He only costs 75 points so you can easily squeeze him into a 1000pt list. You get 2 HQ slots so take the command squad as well I'd think. The Psyker gets access to 4 of the psychic powers charts so just pick a good (or fun) 2 powers to run with him. Anti-infantry + unit buff, Anti-tank + anti-infantry, you have lots of options. I just steer clear of powers that buff him as you aren't going to be trying to swing him into CC.

You can't "pick" powers. You roll randomly. He is also 70pts.

The primaris psyker has recieved a huge boost. The codex powers are terrible, but now, you have access to a lot of great powers. The random aspect means that he won't be great every game, but for 70pts, you really can't go wrong.

Kit him out? Does he have any options?
As for which disipline to choose, pick the ones that are most likely to pay off against your opponent in that game. Pyromancy is the only one that is not worth considering. (as it is all terrible)

PPs aren't dazzling, but if you want to run one, they're not so awful that I'd try and stop you.

The main problem with all the new goodies that he has access to, is that there isn't very much for him to use them on. You're going to give FNP to a HWS? Ho hum, they're mostly wiped out by S6+ fire anyways. You're going to give a PIS +1S? Not going to win close combat anyways.

Basically, most of the neat support options make good units great, but they won't make mediocre units good. That you have a random element to it makes it just that much more unfortunate.

If you want a PP, I'd just stick with the finger lightning. That one, at least, you know will be useful.

Oh, unless you want to take some CC deathstar like a straken CCS or throw it on a big unit of ogryn.

Thanks for all the advice. I was unaware he couldn't take divination. Looks like I might just give him a miss. Shame that a cool character is that weak.

To be fair, lots of psykers don't have access to divination. Only the really awesome ones like GK inquisitors do divination. It wouldn't make sense for what is effectively an up-scale guardsman to have access to the same psychic powers, especially at only a fraction of the cost.

Illumini wrote:

don_mondo wrote:I saw somoeone mention Telepathy powers combined with Psyker Battle Squad. Haven't looked at it myself but might be worth a look-see.

Doesn't work well. Weaken resolve is resolved in the shooting phase, while maledictions happen at the start of the turn. If WR get's faq'ed to become a malediction, it opens for amazing combinations.

Telepathy Primaris Power: Psychic Shriek. 12" Witchfire. Roll 3d6 and subtract leadership, unit suffers unsaved wounds equal to the result with no armour or cover saves.

1:Hit target with psyker battle squad's weaken resolve (in the shooting phase). Lower target's leadership to 2.
2: Shoot target with Psychic Shriek. Presuming you hit, the target will take 1-16 automatic wounds that ignore armour and cover.

It's sortof a hat trick, and you need to be within 12 inches to pull it off, but that's what people are talking about when they say Telepathy combined with PBS. There is no maledictions involved.

[quote=Illumini
You can't "pick" powers. You roll randomly. He is also 70pts.
The primaris psyker has recieved a huge boost. The codex powers are terrible, but now, you have access to a lot of great powers. The random aspect means that he won't be great every game, but for 70pts, you really can't go wrong.

Kit him out? Does he have any options?

McGibs wrote:

Illumini wrote:

don_mondo wrote:I saw somoeone mention Telepathy powers combined with Psyker Battle Squad. Haven't looked at it myself but might be worth a look-see.

Doesn't work well. Weaken resolve is resolved in the shooting phase, while maledictions happen at the start of the turn. If WR get's faq'ed to become a malediction, it opens for amazing combinations.

Telepathy Primaris Power: Psychic Shriek. 12" Witchfire. Roll 3d6 and subtract leadership, unit suffers unsaved wounds equal to the result with no armour or cover saves.

1:Hit target with psyker battle squad's weaken resolve (in the shooting phase). Lower target's leadership to 2.
2: Shoot target with Psychic Shriek. Presuming you hit, the target will take 1-16 automatic wounds that ignore armour and cover.

It's sortof a hat trick, and you need to be within 12 inches to pull it off, but that's what people are talking about when they say Telepathy combined with PBS. There is no maledictions involved.

I'm aware of that combo. However, there are very many rolls involved here:
1: Psychic test for WR
2: Enemy gets deny the witch
3: Psychic test for shriek
4: Bs test to hit with shriek
5: Enemy gets deny the witch
6: 3d6 roll (probablity to get here, assuming no hoods, runeweapons or farseers = 31%)

Too many places it can go wrong, and demands that your primaris is within 12", which is why it's not really a great combo. IMO, it is not worth bringing the pysker battle squad for this combo.

My favorite powerfor the primaris is the -1t & -1s in biomancy. Not often that isn't extremely useful. Too bad the primaris power of bio sucks, but there are several of the other powers which are generally useful as well.

I still like PBS on their own. Weaken resolve is always useful with the psykers around now. I'll try and make it tough on them. As for the Primaris, I also like puppet master. Dominate is not bad either. I would take my chances with the combo if adding IG as allies or in low point games. Really I want the vets and vendetta as allies anyway, so a cheap useful - albeit random HQ and a PBS adds utility to a lot of lists.

One thing I realized with the PBS and the new shooting rules. Keep the entire squad behind cover, out of LOS. When it's your turn, pop one guy up to gain LOS to the target. When/if the enemy fires back, they can only kill that one guy.

Mildly off topic but can chaos sorcerors take divination?

I typically induct the primaris into a ba army. Add in a manticore or leman russ and a platoon for cheap scoring units.

The biomancy or telepathy? Biomancy has some nice buffs and debuffs in it. Telepathy has the nice malediction of the objucation mechanicom or however you spell it. Start rerolling 6's against you and a cheap tank hunter with haywire attack skill.

For 70 points if you have the slot open take the gamble and go with it.