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So I got in an argument the other day during a game about fortune and allied independent characters and the psychic power fortune being cast upon groups they are in.
I was told that they would not be affected by said psychic power, and my opponent got all upity and brought a GW store rep over, unfortunately this rep mostly plays fantasy, lets say it did not go in my favour.

Anyway I decided to make a rules proof, and I don't see any breaks in the rules logic, but I'm wondering if anyone else does?
::Start Proof::
So I have my Shas'O Tau commander join a unit of wraithguard (possible due to battle brothers being able to join allied units, BRB112)

according to independent character rules he "counts as part of the unit for all rules purposes" (BRB 39)

My farseer attempts to cast the power fortune on the group

first he expends a warp charge (BRB 67)

He declares the wraithguard a target in line with the power which states "nominate one eldar unit with a model within 6" of the farseer" (C:E 28) *note*the tau does not change the fact that any wraithguard unit is 'eldar', as there is no rule on independent characters changing what a unit is

farseer takes a psychic test and passes (BRB 67)

skip deny the witch and resolve the power (BRB 67)
the power states "This unit re-rolls any failed saves it makes until the start of the next eldar turn" (C:E 28)

the unit is affected, tau included as per the independent character rules and battle brother rules
::end proof::

Your thought process is correct.

for now anyway, and your commander should be not unstoppable so i would say I agree with this.

You were correct, as I understand it. The way it will not work was if you attached a Eldar Farseer to a Dark Eldar unit, and then tried to cast it.

An allied IC joining an Eldar unit will be affected by it.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
BTW, it seems this was already hashed out.

I still stand by my view of it though.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/475016.page

djones520 wrote:
You were correct, as I understand it. The way it will not work was if you attached a Eldar Farseer to a Dark Eldar unit, and then tried to cast it.

An allied IC joining an Eldar unit will be affected by it.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
BTW, it seems this was already hashed out.

I still stand by my view of it though.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/475016.page

hashed out to a stand still... don't try it please... don't be TFG

Nothing new will be covered in here, the guy might as well read through there and draw his own conclusions.

djones520 wrote:
Nothing new will be covered in here, the guy might as well read through there and draw his own conclusions.

yeppers i don't plan to drag it up suffice to say it's controversial.

Welcome to Dakka
And your thought process is correct.

Just so as you know, the best recipient for this trick is the Dark Eldar Archon It works very well.

-Farseer Tahril

Yeah, I just brought it up in this different context and wanted to see what people would think

I find that it's not a cut and dry deal within the community so I wanted to see if I could get some sort of consensus in any way if I gave the same exact situation with different allies

I'm actually gonna bring tau for my next couple battles because people get really offended when I try to have DE IC's fortuned, I don't really understand why, but they really seem to fight hard so that I can't do it, doubt they'd care if I was trying to guide a haemonculi with a hexrifle, but they do

but thanks for all the calm responses, and logical looking at my rules scenario, I appreciate it

You were completely right, your opponent was either being difficult or couldn't read.

Iranna.

New extension of my question, how do shield drones work into this equation? are they part of the unit too?

Unfortunately you are in a bad position.
There are numerous situations where people won't even look at the rules and claim that you are wrong.
If something is counter-intuitive / opposite to what was played / may be powerful (this case I guess) there may be resistance in acknowledging the rules.
Any "change" is instantly considered rules lawyering and power gaming no matter if it's wrong or right.

To people who disagree with OP:
If you think it's stupid, it doesn't matter. If you think it's powerful, it doesn't matter. Will it be changed in new codex/FAQ? Very possible. For the time being this is how the rules work.
As for 'too powerful'. Remember, this is second oldest codex, currently near the bottom of the food chain.

Your proof is very sound and very correct. I like how people even still try to deny it from tau IC's too.