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2012/10/30 15:35:20
Subject: Daemon rule
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Despised Traitorous Cultist
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I just got the update from white dwarf yesterday. My question is do the daemon of chaos take the universal rule of their book( having a 5+ and eternal warrior) or the universal rule of the big rule book(5+ and fear). Am i missing something since i can't find the reference.
So the screamer and flamer only get a 5+ invulnerable now?
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2012/10/30 15:37:17
Subject: Re:Daemon rule
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They get the Daemon Codex daemon rule.
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2012/10/30 15:38:25
Subject: Daemon rule
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2012/10/30 15:59:41
Subject: Re:Daemon rule
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Bane Lord Tartar Sauce
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Unless an FAQ specifically overrides the original rule in the codex, models with a rule such as Daemon that has a different wording in the codex than it does in the rule book follows the wording in the rule book. The precedence is set by the FAQ for all space marine codexes, in which the effects of And They Shall Know No Fear differ between the codex and the rulebook. There is a specific admendment stating that you ignore the entry in the codex and refer to the rule book entry. Unless there is a similar entry in the Daemons FAQ (I wouldn't know, because for some reason when I try to open the FAQ to check, it gives me what I believe is the german language version), then you use the entry for Daemon in the codex, which would give a 5++ and EW.
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2012/10/30 18:19:50
Subject: Daemon rule
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Seeing as codex overules rulebook, the CD have their own version of the rule. Which converts their profile save to an equal invulnerable, gives EW and thanks to the FAQ, they get fear as well.
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2012/10/30 19:11:59
Subject: Re:Daemon rule
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Despised Traitorous Cultist
Canada
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thank everyone!
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2012/10/30 20:34:20
Subject: Daemon rule
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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 Deadshot wrote:Seeing as codex overules rulebook, the CD have their own version of the rule. Which converts their profile save to an equal invulnerable, gives EW and thanks to the FAQ, they get fear as well.
Unless the "german" faq says otherwise.
Daemons will benefit from C:CD Daemon and BGB Daemon Pg 32 explains why
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2012/10/30 22:37:53
Subject: Re:Daemon rule
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Judgemental Grey Knight Justicar
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The English 1.2 version is out. Note the bolded part.
Q: Do models chosen from Codex: Chaos Daemons and / or the White
Dwarf, August 2012, Codex: Chaos Daemons official update have the
Daemon special rule from the Warhammer 40,000 Rulebook, or do they
have the Daemon army special rule from Codex: Chaos Daemons?
(p27)
A: All models from Codex: Chaos Daemons and/or the White
Dwarf, August 2012, Codex: Daemons official update have the
Daemon army special rule listed in Codex: Chaos Daemons
with the addition of the Fear special rule from the Warhammer
40,000 rulebook and a 5+ invulnerable save.
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2012/10/30 23:16:24
Subject: Daemon rule
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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So for clarification so I can point my friend who plays daemons in the right direction:
Flamers have T4 W2 Fear and a 5+ Invulnerable save?
Or is it a 4+ Invuln save?
And why is it 4 or 5, since one book says one thing and one says another.
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2012/10/30 23:22:48
Subject: Daemon rule
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 DeathReaper wrote:So for clarification so I can point my friend who plays daemons in the right direction:
Flamers have T4 W2 Fear and a 5+ Invulnerable save?
Or is it a 4+ Invuln save?
And why is it 4 or 5, since one book says one thing and one says another.
Way I read it is everything on page 27 + Fear + 5++
They also gave Soul Grinders a 5++ whihc I guess puts it in line with a defiler
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2012/10/30 23:23:33
Subject: Daemon rule
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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DeathReaper wrote:So for clarification so I can point my friend who plays daemons in the right direction:
Flamers have T4 W2 Fear and a 5+ Invulnerable save?
Or is it a 4+ Invuln save?
And why is it 4 or 5, since one book says one thing and one says another.
The white Dwarf update gave them sv of -
They have all the normal Codex Daemon rules, and they have the BGB Daemon rules for Screamers and Flamers. statline looks right
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2012/10/30 23:36:30
Subject: Daemon rule
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote: DeathReaper wrote:So for clarification so I can point my friend who plays daemons in the right direction:
Flamers have T4 W2 Fear and a 5+ Invulnerable save?
Or is it a 4+ Invuln save?
And why is it 4 or 5, since one book says one thing and one says another.
The white Dwarf update gave them sv of -
They have all the normal Codex Daemon rules, and they have the BGB Daemon rules for Screamers and Flamers. statline looks right
Not really.
Only issue i have is that they gave a "sort of" answer to the question of the two Daemon rules. They just said that all Daemon use the Codex Rule plus they also get Fear and a 5++
They didn't say they get both rules. They just gave them the effects of both rules long hand.
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2012/10/30 23:59:58
Subject: Daemon rule
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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40k-noob wrote:jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote: DeathReaper wrote:So for clarification so I can point my friend who plays daemons in the right direction:
Flamers have T4 W2 Fear and a 5+ Invulnerable save?
Or is it a 4+ Invuln save?
And why is it 4 or 5, since one book says one thing and one says another.
The white Dwarf update gave them sv of -
They have all the normal Codex Daemon rules, and they have the BGB Daemon rules for Screamers and Flamers. statline looks right
Not really.
Only issue i have is that they gave a "sort of" answer to the question of the two Daemon rules. They just said that all Daemon use the Codex Rule plus they also get Fear and a 5++
They didn't say they get both rules. They just gave them the effects of both rules long hand.
Same difference at this point I don't really care. They get the Benefits from both rules.
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2012/10/31 00:46:35
Subject: Re:Daemon rule
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Chalice-Wielding Sanguinary High Priest
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The Codex entry for Flamers has been superceded by the White Dwarf entry, so you ignore the 4+ given in the Codex.
You then look at the White Dwarf entry to see that it has no save listed in its profile - but as it is a Daemon, per the rulebook (and the FAQ clarifies this), you get a 5+ invulnerable save.
I'm not sure on the wording in the Codex for the last part, however. If being a daemon of Tzeentch gives a +1 to invulnerable saves AND the White Dwarf entry for the Flamers gives them that Daemon of Tzeentch status (NOT the Codex entry), then and only then would they still have it as 4+.
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2012/10/31 01:35:22
Subject: Daemon rule
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Being a daemon of Tzeentch does NOT add to your invulnerable save; that only applies to Daemon Prince marks.
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2012/10/31 03:18:43
Subject: Daemon rule
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[DCM]
Tilter at Windmills
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Locking thread as duplicate.
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