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So Black Mace + Enfeeble is pretty nice.
Clearly Black Mace is best given to a DP for the AP2.
Taking an unmarked Sorcerer at level 3 gives you a 50% chance of rolling Enfeeble on the Biomancy Dicipline table.

My question is, is there any better option or additional ally you could take to give you more chance of sucessfully rolling up Enfeeble?

Clearly Black Mace is best given to a DP for the AP2.

Not sure that the DP's AP2 can be combined with the black mace which is AP 4. I know that players who field a DP w/ black mace want to believe that then the mace wounds on AP2. But generally, effects of different weapons are not cumulative.

Oh, I thought it was faq'd some place, well that's what the guy in GW said, but of course, they aren't rules masters

Can anyone confirm if The black Mace is or is not AP2 when used by a DP?

 wuestenfux wrote:

Clearly Black Mace is best given to a DP for the AP2.

Not sure that the DP's AP2 can be combined with the black mace which is AP 4. I know that players who field a DP w/ black mace want to believe that then the mace wounds on AP2. But generally, effects of different weapons are not cumulative.

Daemon Princes have Smash, which states that all wounds caused by a model with Smash are resolved at AP2.

Can anyone confirm if The black Mace is or is not AP2 when used by a DP?

There are two threads at ''You make the call'' here at Dakka. But the outcome will not confirm anything.

GW will either have to clarify or we should as always assume that effects from different weapons cannot be combined.

Thanks DarkCorsair but that didnt answer the question. I see in the thread "Daemon Princes and You" seems to confirm that The Black Mace does wound at AP2.

 wuestenfux wrote:

Can anyone confirm if The black Mace is or is not AP2 when used by a DP?

There are two threads at ''You make the call'' here at Dakka. But the outcome will not confirm anything.

GW will either have to clarify or we should as always assume that effects from different weapons cannot be combined.

It confirms everything. Smash is not a weapon, black mace is. Weapon profile Str User Ap 4 Special yada yada, all attacks made with a Prince are AP2. That all would include any he makes with a black mace.

ah ok, thanks.

So back to the original question, anyone think of a way to better secure enfeeble or possibly something else that causes a reduction in toughness that could be allied in or otherwise?

 L0rdF1end wrote:
ah ok, thanks.

So back to the original question, anyone think of a way to better secure enfeeble or possibly something else that causes a reduction in toughness that could be allied in or otherwise?

I think you're on the money if you want to try and get enfeeble.

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

Can anyone confirm if The black Mace is or is not AP2 when used by a DP?

There are two threads at ''You make the call'' here at Dakka. But the outcome will not confirm anything.

GW will either have to clarify or we should as always assume that effects from different weapons cannot be combined.

It confirms everything. Smash is not a weapon, black mace is. Weapon profile Str User Ap 4 Special yada yada, all attacks made with a Prince are AP2. That all would include any he makes with a black mace.

Smash isn't a weapon it's a USR that modifies the str and ap of a mc's attacks and reduces the # of attacks. Saying a mc can't smash with it's weapon is like saying a mc can't use preferred enemy or hatred with it's weapon.

 schadenfreude wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

Can anyone confirm if The black Mace is or is not AP2 when used by a DP?

There are two threads at ''You make the call'' here at Dakka. But the outcome will not confirm anything.

GW will either have to clarify or we should as always assume that effects from different weapons cannot be combined.

It confirms everything. Smash is not a weapon, black mace is. Weapon profile Str User Ap 4 Special yada yada, all attacks made with a Prince are AP2. That all would include any he makes with a black mace.

Smash isn't a weapon it's a USR that modifies the str and ap of a mc's attacks and reduces the # of attacks. Saying a mc can't smash with it's weapon is like saying a mc can't use preferred enemy or hatred with it's weapon.

Well, smash can be combined with the black mace since its not a weapon. But non-smash attacks cannot.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 schadenfreude wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

Can anyone confirm if The black Mace is or is not AP2 when used by a DP?

There are two threads at ''You make the call'' here at Dakka. But the outcome will not confirm anything.

GW will either have to clarify or we should as always assume that effects from different weapons cannot be combined.

It confirms everything. Smash is not a weapon, black mace is. Weapon profile Str User Ap 4 Special yada yada, all attacks made with a Prince are AP2. That all would include any he makes with a black mace.

Smash isn't a weapon it's a USR that modifies the str and ap of a mc's attacks and reduces the # of attacks. Saying a mc can't smash with it's weapon is like saying a mc can't use preferred enemy or hatred with it's weapon.

Well, smash can be combined with the black mace since its not a weapon. But non-smash attacks cannot.

Even when you aren't doing Smash attacks, by having the Smash USR you're AP2 whenever you make a wound, regardless of whether it was a Smash attack or not.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 schadenfreude wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

Can anyone confirm if The black Mace is or is not AP2 when used by a DP?

There are two threads at ''You make the call'' here at Dakka. But the outcome will not confirm anything.

GW will either have to clarify or we should as always assume that effects from different weapons cannot be combined.

It confirms everything. Smash is not a weapon, black mace is. Weapon profile Str User Ap 4 Special yada yada, all attacks made with a Prince are AP2. That all would include any he makes with a black mace.

Smash isn't a weapon it's a USR that modifies the str and ap of a mc's attacks and reduces the # of attacks. Saying a mc can't smash with it's weapon is like saying a mc can't use preferred enemy or hatred with it's weapon.

Well, smash can be combined with the black mace since its not a weapon. But non-smash attacks cannot.

Umm have you read the special rule?

Smash pg 42
"All of the CC attacks except HoW Attacks, or a model with this SR are resolved at AP2 (unless attacking with an AP1 weapon).

That sums it up nicely.
All CC attacks

I cant remember of the top of my head who has biomancy if you bought the psychic card box it should have an insert of all to disciplines other codex can take as chaos is the newest codex and the insert no longer applies to them