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Yellin' Yoof




As the title says i was just wondering if any of you know what the relationship between sisters of battle and space marines is like? Do the sisters see the space marine chapters as borderline heretics that lye outside of the Ecclesiarchy control that need to be purged? Do the space marines see the sisters of battle as a bunch over zealous bunch of Muppet's that send more time praying than fighting?

Now i know there will be a few out lying factors such as the different chapters standing with the rest of the imperium for instance the space wolves, black dragons and flesh teares will be more disliked than lets say the black Templar's. But i am asking for a general over view not the little nitty gritty individual relation ships.

Also dose any one know if the sister hood and the space marines have ever clashed and if so how did it end?

Also do the sister hood and space marines try to avoid each other? As i have only ever heard of them fighting side by side on one occasion in the grey knight novel and then it was only by accident.

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Slippery Scout Biker




Midwest, USA

Well the most general of overviews would be that they respect each other. Whether it is grudging or genuine respect, that would vary from Chapter to Chapter and Order to Order. Both view each other as capable warriors, whether they view them as misguided or not, and again views of that nature would vary wildly.

I'll answer your third question before going into your first: The Adeptes Astartes and the Sisters of Battle don't necessarily avoid one another. You just have to realize that of all the fighting arms of the Imperium, these two branches are the most limited in number. For random responses to distress calls, deployments to warzone, you'll see Guardsmen far more likely than Astartes or Sisters. That doesn't mean that they have not fought side by side. I think there have been a few occasions where they fought with Black Templars (but don't quote me, I cannot provide an exact source and could be mixing that up with some fluff written by a gamer at the local uFLGS).

As for occurances where the Sisters and Astartes have clashed, there have been a few occasions where this has happened. The Sisters of Battle are the executioners of the Ordo Hereticus. When a Chapter of Marines goes renegade, it is the Sisters who are usually called in to cleanse them. There was a thread based on this very subject (Soritas purging Astartes that is) not that long ago. There were several good quotes and resources that were provided over the course of the discussion. It was a good read, despite how quickly derailed and vehement some people got when discussing their favored factions.

Hope that helps!

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Hellacious Havoc




Commorragh

Spoiler:
A whole Order turned to Chaos by one Slaaneshi Keeper of Secrets.
A whole Order Mind Controlled by one chaos Psyker. fething Goto.
A strike force of Celestians and an Inquisitor being killed, cannibalized, and sacrificed by the Sons of Malice Astartes chapter for disturbing their victory rites and falsely accusing the chapter of heresy. (Imperium does nothing... Apart from declaring the Sons of Malice to be heretics anyway.)
A whole Commandery being killed by Flesh Tearers Astartes chapter (who were eating allied militia at the time). (Imperium does nothing.)
Three whole Orders killed by the Space Wolves Astartes chapter when they try to inquire about that ship full of unarmed priests the Space Wolves shot down earlier. (Imperium, again, does nothing.)
99% of sisters in the galaxy vanishing due to to a retcon in the two whole paragraphs of fluff given them by the 5e rulebook. Considered by most to be proof of what was to come, considering the clown-car that is the current Sisters of Battle army on tabletop.
A whole shrine-world of Sisters killed by Chaos Dreadnought. Said dread shrugs off meltas, meltabombs and multiple Exorcist volleys, a Living Saint even gives up her divinity to stop it, and fails. It's destroyed instantly when a Marine throws a hammer at it. We are not making this gak up.- ++Hell Brute, not a dreadnought++
An entire Order of Sisters of the Order of the Sacred Rose dying and ultimately destroying their base and everyone in it, who were sent to the Kaurava Campaign and killed by Vance melon-fething Stubbs after they refused to feth off. Unlike the majority of the entries on this list, the Sisters led a valiant defense action, crippling the Imperial Guard forces for weeks and hamstringing the Imperium's campaign to reclaim the worlds of the Kaurava system.
An entire convent of Sisters killed by Grey Knights, their bodies violated and their blood applied to the Grey Knights' armor, so the Grey Knights can be immune to demonic corruption, even though they were already immune to all forms of demonic corruption, due to the fact that they are the Imperium's daemon killers. See also: Khornate Knights.

The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always."

-- First Captain Sevatar, when asked why the Night Lords aren't the Emperor's sanction force against other Legions.

 
   
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Androgynous Daemon Prince of Slaanesh





Norwalk, Connecticut

Personally, I think the Space Marines should let the Sisters of Battle deal with the Tyranids all by themselves. After all, they should be used to dealing with bugs-damn things get into the kitchen all the time...

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Hallowed Canoness




Ireland

"Occasionally the Battle Sisters will have common cause with the firce Space Marines of the Adeptus Astartes. Although the relationship between these two organisations is only civil at best, the Space Marines and Battle Sisters both respect each other's prowess and skill at arms. Many times, the foes of the Imperium have been eradicated by a combined attack from these two elite forces."
- 2E C:SoB

Due to following universal tenets and sharing a common origin, there is little difference between the various Orders of Sisters Militant, but of course the Space Marines with their more varied culture will have much more diversity regarding their opinions of the Ecclesiarchy and, in extension, the Sisters of Battle. Occasionally there is armed conflict between the two organisations (the Order of the Argent Shroud in particular is said to have some sort of reputation there), and the fact that the Sisters are the Ordo Hereticus' "blood hounds" when it comes to the task of hunting down rogue/excommunicated Marine Chapters would surely make for some tension as well, yet at the same time they seem to be fighting side by side more often than against each other, so I suppose it's safe to say that it indeed depends on the Chapter and how it "digests" the Sisters' affiliation and treatment of their brethren (some of whom a Chapter may have quarrel with themselves). The Black Templars, for example, do keep a battle banner honouring the Ecclesiarchy's forces.

Garvy wrote:A whole Order turned to Chaos by one Slaaneshi Keeper of Secrets.
A whole Order Mind Controlled by one chaos Psyker. fething Goto.
A strike force of Celestians and an Inquisitor being killed, cannibalized, and sacrificed by the Sons of Malice Astartes chapter for disturbing their victory rites and falsely accusing the chapter of heresy. (Imperium does nothing... Apart from declaring the Sons of Malice to be heretics anyway.)
A whole Commandery being killed by Flesh Tearers Astartes chapter (who were eating allied militia at the time). (Imperium does nothing.)
Three whole Orders killed by the Space Wolves Astartes chapter when they try to inquire about that ship full of unarmed priests the Space Wolves shot down earlier. (Imperium, again, does nothing.)
99% of sisters in the galaxy vanishing due to to a retcon in the two whole paragraphs of fluff given them by the 5e rulebook. Considered by most to be proof of what was to come, considering the clown-car that is the current Sisters of Battle army on tabletop.
A whole shrine-world of Sisters killed by Chaos Dreadnought. Said dread shrugs off meltas, meltabombs and multiple Exorcist volleys, a Living Saint even gives up her divinity to stop it, and fails. It's destroyed instantly when a Marine throws a hammer at it. We are not making this gak up.- ++Hell Brute, not a dreadnought++
An entire Order of Sisters of the Order of the Sacred Rose dying and ultimately destroying their base and everyone in it, who were sent to the Kaurava Campaign and killed by Vance melon-fething Stubbs after they refused to feth off. Unlike the majority of the entries on this list, the Sisters led a valiant defense action, crippling the Imperial Guard forces for weeks and hamstringing the Imperium's campaign to reclaim the worlds of the Kaurava system.
An entire convent of Sisters killed by Grey Knights, their bodies violated and their blood applied to the Grey Knights' armor, so the Grey Knights can be immune to demonic corruption, even though they were already immune to all forms of demonic corruption, due to the fact that they are the Imperium's daemon killers. See also: Khornate Knights.
Whoah there. Half the stuff in this list is licensed fiction that has a disturbing tendency to outright contradict GW's own fluff, and the other half is blatantly misleading personal interpretation or quite simply false.

I'll do the effort of addressing each point individually:
- Daemonifuge. *nods* Good comic, but it's worth pointing out that GW's own fluff emphasises their resistance to corruption all the time, and never has it been mentioned that even a single Sister got turned that way.
- Have not read that book, but it kind of contradicts the Sisters' resistance to psychic powers. Also: lolgoto.
- Sounds like the Index Astartes. The Inquisitor in question assembled too small a force in too little time. *shrug* Happens. The Imperium however does not do "nothing" but rather sends an IG regiment to exterminate the entire fething population of their homeworld, which was suspected to have tainted the Chapter's own culture (resulting in the cannibalistic habits), whilst the Sons of Malice escape Imperial retribution by fleeing into the Eye of Terror.
- Armageddon 3. The Sisters do not even engage in combat with the Flesh Tearers much less "get killed"; they simply withdraw and their Canoness reports the FT's attack on the allied militia to General Kurov and the Inquisition. The Flesh Tearers are now "close to excommunication".
- Space Wolves Codex, and it makes no mention whatsoever about these Orders supposedly being "killed". It says that the attacking forces withdrew after a couple weeks of fighting.
- 3 out of 6 Major Orders being omitted are not even 50%, and it was a writer's mistake that was corrected in the publications that followed. Not a glorious thing, but hardly something that has to do with their fluff.
- Have not read that book either, but it serves to underline my reservations regarding individual Black Library author interpretations.
- That is one of X possible endings, all depending on who you played in the campaign. Also, the Imperial Guard is not "the Imperium". Considering that Canoness Selena's forces acted under Inquisitorial authority, it is them who have every right to assume command of the situation, not the Space Marines, nor some local general of a garrison force which failed to deal with Orks breeding within their own system for centuries.
- Grey Knights are obviously not 100% immune by default when they require paraphernalia like "blood of the innocent" to confer this effect. Other than that, I have no issues with that story. Goes to show how far the Inquisition is willing to go to achieve its goals. Cue Grimdark.

Seriously. Get this stuff right if you post a list like this. Someone might actually believe it.
   
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Hellacious Havoc




Commorragh

Sorry @lynata I used 1d4chan quotes, because I'm too lazy for detailed report - ty for correcting me

The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always."

-- First Captain Sevatar, when asked why the Night Lords aren't the Emperor's sanction force against other Legions.

 
   
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Hallowed Canoness




Ireland

Ahh, /tg/ ... so much win, so much fail. I remember 1d4chan's wiki article on the Sisters being horribly mysogynistic, too.

Anyways, no problem. Goes to show how dangerous the telephone game can be.
   
 
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