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so there is a tournament coming up on the 29 to celebrate the end of the year and i would like some of your guy's feedback on my list and if you think that i should change anything

players i usually see at the tournaments
1 who plays shootinators and papa smurf with usually 2 flyers and a couple preds
1 nids player that spams MC's
2 GK's one mechanized and one footsloggin both with usually 1 flyer
1 IG Flyer Spam
1 Daemon he is new to are club i am not sure about his list and tactics
1 Mechanized Blood Angel
1 Speed Freaks Orks
1 Aegis Spam Tau with Fire Warrior walls
1 Dark Angels Deathwing

so we are pretty varied on our armies and builds so i am mostly going for a heavy durable list that can take the hits and also still deliver

Here is my list so far

HQ
Imotekh the Stormlord-225

Royal Court
Cryptek-40
Harbinger of Eternity
Chronometron
Cryptek-35
Harbinger of the Storm
Lightning Field

Anrakyr the Traveller-165

Royal Court
Necron Lord-90
Res Orb
Mindshackle Scarabs
Warscythe
Necron Lord-90
Res Orb
Mindshackle Scarabs
Warscythe

TROOPS
5x Warriors-65
5x Warriors-65
5x Warriors-65
5x Warriors-65
Night Scythe-100

FAST ATTACK
3x Destroyers-120
3x Destroyers-120
3x Canoptek Scarabs-45

HEAVY SUPPORT
Annihilation Barge-90
Monolith-200
Monolith-200
2x Canoptek Spyders-130
2x Gloom Prism

Fortifications
Aegis Defence Line-100
Quad Cannon

my tactic is to put one of the warrior squads with the stormlord hunkered down in the aegis and throw anrakyr into the night scythe with the lightning cryptek and a lord to drop out and knock out that one big vehicle or any vehicle that is really threatening my forces or maybe cap an objective

im going to use the barge as mostly an anit-air weapon to make sure those flyers that my quad gun didn't take out from interceptor or the other flyer that my interceptor couldn't take out that turn

my destroyers will be mostly there to take out those heavy infantry or MC's and rush them up the sides for linebreaker

my scarabs will be just an overall vehicle omnomnomnoms

my spyders will be there for psychic defense and reinforcing my scarabs so they can absorb some shots and still be able to take out a vehicle or 2

and the 2 monoliths are there to wipe out squads of shootinators or any clumped up infantry and from the last couple times i have seen the people play they have had a lot more plasma over anti-tank that could actually punch a whole in a monolith and not just the one or 2 lascannons in a tactical squad.

the main weakness i see in this list is how i will deal with MC's and mephiston's and their equivalents other than my lords mindshackling them in a challenge

any help would be appreciated

Huh, I don't see any particular reason for your Lords to be carrying ResOrbs.
I mean, if Anrakyr was with a unit of Lychguard (thus giving them Counter-attack and Furious Charge... mmm, S8 Warscythes), THEN I could see a reason to include ONE ResOrb Combat Lord (expensive squad, after all).
But two Orbs for a couple of 5 Warrior units? ... something doesn't seem right, there.

I'm assuming you're putting the Harbinger of Eternity with Imotekh. If you're going to go combat squad I would suggest sticking with Immortals since for 5 points per model more you get a better weapon and a better armor save, ESPECIALLY since you're taking Anrakyr.

Also check the sticky for the rule about posting point costs for each individual Wargear/Ability (Hint: Its a no-no )

Wait, unless you're thinking about running a mini-Royal Court Disco Inferno?
(the 2 Lords staying together as a Royal Court unit of 2, Anrakyr joining them, as well as the Stormtek)
... but even then, you'd still only really need the one Orb.

I took tje two orbs because i was previously running two ten man warrior squads but then I forgot about that I need 4 troops for double force org so I quick split them into groups of five

Where would you suggest I move the extra 60 points if I'm going to take out the orbs? I only have 5 immortals and 20 warriors currently but i plan on getting at least one more box of warriors before the tournament

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I'm going to try and rearrange the points a little to get two big squads of ten again so the res orbs actually make sence


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I think that although it would be more difficult to cap objectives if I were take 2 squads of ten, but they would be more durable than 4 squads of five warriors or immortals, and would be able to get back up after anything more than small arms fire, also would get back a lot better because of the orbs.

So I might drop the barge for invuls on the lords, or something else like a couple more warriors, or maybe some fabricator claws on my spyders.

Another thing I might do is add an invul to eternity as its pretty cheap, 2+ on the lords and claws on spyders.

I would still suggest bringing at least 1 unit of Immortals or you're wasting half of Anrakyr's potency (just don't stick Anrakyr with your new Phyrian Eternals, they already have Furious Charge and Counter-Attack)

You're new, so this might not be easy for you to understand... but I'll try anyway: ResOrbs are NOT worth it for anything less than 15 Warriors.
I'm not going to go into the mathhammer specifics, but the gist is, for the points it costs, you could just get more Warriors, which would actually be more useful.
ResOrbs should never be given to Immortals, unless they have a lot of HQ accompanying their unit.
ResOrbs SHOULD be given to units like Lychguard and Praetorian, because those models individually are expensive, so the Orb makes its points back.
Warriors? Only in blobs.

This is my suggestion for your army list. I put in spoilers in case you wanted to make your own modifications first.

errr, a few things about S.K.Ren's suggested list: ...it's just full of ineffective use of points.

Here's my new edited list

HQ
Imotekh the Stormlord-225

Royal Court
Cryptek-40
Harbinger of Eternity
Chronometron
Cryptek-25
Harbinger of the Storm

Anrakyr the Traveller-165

Cryptek-25
Harbinger of Storm

TROOPS
10x Warriors-130
5x Warriors-65
Night Scythe-100
5x Warriors-65
Night Scythe-100
9x Warriors-117

FAST ATTACK
3x Canoptek Scarabs-45

HEAVY SUPPORT
Annihilation Barge-90
Monolith-200
Monolith-200
Monolith-200
2x Canoptek Spyders-115
1x Gloom Prism

Fortifications
Aegis Defence Line-100
Quad Cannon

I tossed in another monolith because i know that the people at my club usually are minimal on anti-tank for heavy tanks and if i field just one then it is usually useless and will get popped turn 2-3 from the 2ish lascannons in tac squads.

i dropped the lords and added a stormtek and a night scythe for more air superiority and the tank popping abilities of the haywire with rapid fire from 5 warriors and anrakyr's mind in the machine.

also i buffed up the footsloggin warriors so that they dont get picked off by small arms fire.

debating replacing anrakyr with zahndrekh for the night vision abilities and furious charge/counter attack. Also he seems much more prepared for many diffferent armies and can save yourself from a charging mob of orks by dropping them down to strength 3 again and giving you the advantage in the fight with counter attack+overwatch.


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Alternate List

HQ
Imotekh the Stormlord-225

Royal Court
Cryptek-40
Harbinger of Eternity
Chronometron
Cryptek-25
Harbinger of the Storm

Nemesor Zahndrekh-185

Cryptek-25
Harbinger of Storm

TROOPS
9x Warriors-117
5x Warriors-65
Night Scythe-100
5x Warriors-65
Night Scythe-100
8x Warriors-104

FAST ATTACK
3x Canoptek Scarabs-45

HEAVY SUPPORT
Annihilation Barge-90
Monolith-200
Monolith-200
Monolith-200
2x Canoptek Spyders-125
1x Gloom Prism
Fabricator Claw

Fortifications
Aegis Defence Line-100
Quad Cannon

iirc There is nothing in the rules that says that Imotekh's Lord of the Storm does not work when he is not on the field. The only requirement is that he be in the army. You could argue however you can't use the Chronometron to reroll the keeping the Night Fighting rules roll until they come on the table as the Chronometron has no such exception in terms of functionality. And the Lightning Field was just 10 extra points tacked on in the end. Left the Fortifications because they were in his original list. And I put lettered {Brackets} by units I felt should be joined together the Lord went with Anrakyr and the Stormtek and a group of Warriors. The Orb was to keep the 3 High cost and 5 Low cost guys alive a little longer.

@A Gumybear: Also I still see you are neglecting to put in a group of Immortals. Its only 4 points per model more expensive and you get a better armor save, a better weapon and Furious Charge/Counter-attack...

Just saw the 3 Monoliths and it made me laugh. If you're going to to put that many in you might as well go all out. Note this army is a joke:



Keep in mind as of the 1.1 FAQ for Necron you can re-enter a Night Scythe from its base despite being a Zooming Flyer.

If I were to throw in a group of of immortals I would need more points and more money you see, I still am in need of another night scythe and I just ordered a couple of crypteks and tomb spyders so I'm broke for a bit and I don't see anywhere in my list where immortals would be out performing my warriors for the small 5 immortals that I actually own

I meant replacing one of the 5 Warrior squads you already have. Its only 20 Points

Lol at the new monolith spam list but I only have 4 sadly and I would be wasting points and remember that this is a 2012 point tourny so you have a little wiggle room to meet that 2000 mark


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Replacing a squad of warriors in a night scythe would be a bit of a waste of points because they will mostly be tank hunting although if I were to give them tank hunter from zahndrekh they would be firring strength 6 weapons and with tesla that could be really devastating especially with stormtek

 A GumyBear wrote:

Replacing a squad of warriors in a night scythe would be a bit of a waste of points because they will mostly be tank hunting although if I were to give them tank hunter from zahndrekh they would be firing strength 6 weapons and with tesla that could be really devastating especially with stormtek

Hehe, Now you're thinking. That's actually pretty good just as long as you aren't facing much AV13+ but then that's what the Storm-teks are for.

ya but they could be in trouble if zahndrekh doesnt have los of them to give them tank hunter and i miss out on popping the side of that vindicator and it pops that s10 pie plate on them or my other precious hunks of metal so i think i will just rely on my warriors to be glancing land raiders to death in one turn they are a bit more of a buffer for stormteks to be mopping the floors with any vehichle and i dont have to rely on them getting tank hunter to be killing tanks

I could just give the immortals gause but that would just be a waste of their ap4 when i could just be doing the same with warriors sure they have a better save but if the enemy really wants them gone they will be gone and immortals are more scary than simple warriors so fire wont be drawn towards them as much and more will be drawn towards my warriors with stormlord and chronotek hunkered down in the aegis and if i throw zahndrekh in their they will draw more fire and since zahndrekh has a res orb they will be alot more durable

THREE Scarabs?!
MSU Warriors with no real purpose?
Imotekh and big guns?
There are just so many things wrong with this list, I--
You know what? No, I don't care anymore.
Good luck.

i got big guns with imotekh because at 24" range on most of my guns at most they will be getting a +1 to their cover saves

i got 2 spyders and last tourny i played in 3 was plenty to survive one round if i didnt get to go first which i did more often then less cuz imotekh steals on 4+ if you can find the points in my list to add a couple more scarabs great then let me know

also i got zandrekh so i can give night vision to a units that really needs it and i prefer my huge giant towering monoliths to get at least a save against a lascannon dev squad instead of just rolling over like a fish and dying

the msu warriors are for the stormteks and night scythes to go up and pop vehicles

the other semi-medium size squads are for holding objectives in the back or moving up if my stormtek squads go down (at least one usually will).

I think we broke him... but he is right. You army is still all over the place. In all seriousness you are not fielding enough Troops to make taking all those monoliths worth it. Take one at most and put the rest into filling out your Troop choices.

Additionally if you are bringing Scarabs you NEED to bring alot of them to be worth anything. At least 5 imho, more if you don't bring Spyders (Why you wouldn't I don't know) or not bring them at all.

if you do mathammers a 3 man scarab squad can more than take out a land raider or any tank for that matter if buffed by zahndrekh or given more scarabs from spyders unless your tau with flechets

On charge 15-25 attacks hitting on 3's if it moved=10-16.33 hits
if vehicle did not move all hit=15-25 hits

entropic touch omnomnom powers on 4+=5-8.1515 points down
if it didn't move=7 1/2-12 1/2 points down

6's to glance armor 9=1 2/3-4.166 glancing hits
if given furious charge from zahndrekh 5's glance 6's pen=1 2/3-4.166 glancing hits 1 2/3-4.66 penetrating hits

so if i needed to i could take out a land raider with nothing but 45 points worth of scarabs buffed from zandrekh's furious charge

Alright, how's this list look to you?

HQ[480]
Imotekh the Stormlord (225) {A}
Cryptek w/ Harbinger of Eternity, Chronometron (40){A}
Cryptek w/ Harbinger of the Storm (25) {B}
Anrakyr the Traveller (165) {B} or Nemesor Zahndrekh (185)
Cryptek w/ Harbinger of the Storm (25) {B}

TROOPS[740]
14x Necron Warriors (182)
14x Necron Warriors (182)
5x Phyrian Eternals w/ Night Scythe (185) {A} - Drop these guys off on the battle field separate from Imotekh and the Chronotek
7x Necron Warriors w/ Night Scythe (191) {B} - Anrakyr goes here or Keep Zandrekh on board when you go tank hunting.

FAST ATTACK[150]
10x Canoptek Scarabs (150)

HEAVY SUPPORT[715]
Monolith (200)
Monolith (200)
Monolith (200)
2x Canoptek Spyders w/ 1x Gloom Prism (115)

Total 1970 or 1990

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wait what? you're going with Zanrekh now?

edit: Updated list. You get your 3 Monoliths, some decent sized infantry and a full scarab unit

the problem is i only have 20 warriors atm and will only be able to get ten more but i will definitely throw in more scarabs if you guys can find the points

im gonna stick with the three monoliths cuz again with 6th the rise of plasma has taken over most anti tank areas leaving most of the people i play against generally hopeless to the big wall of av 14

think if you were in a tournament setting and you had to make a list would you spam lascannons or meltaguns? probably not, you would probably have more missiles if you needed the anti tank and maybe 2-3 lascannons/mg's, because you wont see much av 14 (at least i dont anymore) now with the whole mechanized being nerfed
and it being 3rd ed all over again for necrons and their gauss


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i might consider that if i can get my silver sea up and running by then


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if your total is around 1957-1977 and more warriors/immortals cuz the limit is 2012 not 2000 so you got some wiggle room

I made a few last minute changes

and ya i think i might go zahndrekh because im not too big on the immortals because although they are insanely better than warriors (+1 s and ap on gun and +1 save) for only 4 points i just dont like them for some reason i really dont know but i dont find to be noticably better i feel that if i take gauss i would be wasting shots glancing vehicles when i could do that with warriors and when i take tesla i rely too much on rolling 6's and overestimate them but i definitely will try to run a squad of them if i can get all the models i need in time

also you have to many heavys in the book if i am correct necrons can only field 3 heavys in there army codex

that seems viable only that i only have 7 scarabs on me and with the next box getting 10 scarabs i think the spyders would then be useless so drop the scarabs to five and toss in an aegis with quad/ annihilation barge and the list seems set


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@ patrickekirby its over 2000 Points=double force org thats y my orginal list had 4 5man warrior squads

Spyders are never useless. They can add Scarabs and are allowed to push it past it's starting unit size which is great. Only question is if you can push it past unit max size or not. Even then keeping your scarabs topped off against Blast/Template weapons will be good.

you can top them off max size but im saying that they would be useless because i wouldnt have anymore models to spawn i would have run out

Then you still have 2 MCs with which to wreak havoc.

as a matter of fact i love spyder i think that they are awsome
(they were better in 3rd but im not complaining they now give crons anti-psyker)
they are no tervigon but they can stil spawn and anything that can spawn is awsome because it can give you more points than your opponent in the middle of the game
and plus they are MC so they get smash and when given counter attack or they get the charge they have 2 each instead of 1 each so you can knock down a couple of wounds on those carnifexes or mephistons


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re worked the list a little

dropped scarabs down to 5 and dropped a warrior in scythe B for an aegis

now its at 2002 so i could add a field on a stormtek or add a claw to a spyder any suggestions?

HQ[480]
Imotekh the Stormlord (225) {A}
Cryptek w/ Harbinger of Eternity, Chronometron (40){A}
Cryptek w/ Harbinger of the Storm (25) {B}
Nemesor Zahndrekh (185)
Cryptek w/ Harbinger of the Storm (25) {B}

TROOPS[740]
14x Necron Warriors (182)
14x Necron Warriors (182)
5x Phyrian Eternals w/ Night Scythe (185) {A} - Drop these guys off with Stormtek
6x Necron Warriors w/ Night Scythe (178) {B} -Droping off with Stormtek

FAST ATTACK[150]
5x Canoptek Scarabs (75)

HEAVY SUPPORT[715]
Monolith (200)
Monolith (200)
Monolith (200)
2x Canoptek Spyders w/ 1x Gloom Prism (115)

FORTIFICATIONS
Aegis Defense Line-100
Quad Gun

2002