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According to BoLS, here are the prices for the new DA stuff coming in January:

Codex: Dark Angels (English) 104pp Colour Hardback $49.50
Ravenwing Dark Talon 1 Mini $75.00
Land Speeder Vengeance 1 Mini $65.00
Deathwing Command Squad 5 Minis $60.00
Ravenwing Command Squad 3 Minis $50.00
Dark Angels Battleforce 8 Minis $110.00

That's right. $75.00 for that flier and $50.00 for three bikes. Oh, and don't forget that awesome DA Battleforce with eight whole models.

I heavily rely on Dark Angels figures for my DYI chapter but I'm wondering if GW has finally hit that magical point where I simply can't justify the cost of their product. I have more disposable income than a lot of people out there so I expect that many of you have already hit this wall. If so, when did it happen for you? If you haven't hit it yet, how is your hobby future looking?

Myself? I find that I am migrating over to Malifaux these days, that and spending obscene amounts of money on kickstarters (damn you McVey, Poots, and the rest). Some small purchases and some specific Forge World purchases are still in the cards, but I'll certainly not be starting up any new armies with GW. I used to buy every codex when it came out. Now I only buy the onces I actually use. Once the annual price increase hits this coming summer, my GW portion of the hobby will likely be reduced to painting. Shame, really.

For me it was when it became apparent that the codicies were going hard back. I hd been wavering upto that point, but when it became apparent that I would need to shell out 40 -50 bucks -just to find out- what new models I would be needing to buy...that is when GW died for me. Ain't no way I was going to stay same or married when I figured it was going to cost me 50-200 bucks just to bring an army up to snuff, even taking into consideration the vast mounds of metal I had already aquired.

My hobby is fine though. Switched to WWII historicals mostly. Nice thing about that is that a 15mm PzIVH will always be a 15mm PzIVH no matter the rules system. There are no PzIVH with alternate plasma gatling guns being created for any historical system out there.

I even had a buddy offer to give me a pdf of the 40K rulebook he had aquired. I couldn't even get motivated for that.

I will say that, next to gold, my 40K "investment" has increased nicely. There are several models I have sold second and third hand that cost much much less at the time of original purchase.

They pushed me out a couple of years ago with their various policies, but their prices are now such that I don't think I would return even if they became a shining beacon of excellence

What are the 8 minies in the force?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
What are the 8 minies in the force?

My guess is Terminators and vehicles.

Their prices haven't priced me out completely, but I certainly don't buy as much as I would if they were cheaper. Right now, I can barely justify a box every few weeks, while 2-3 years ago when I got back into the hobby, a box a week was perfectly reasonable.

I'm not ready to flip a table and wig out, but I certainly look to more than just GW for my gaming these days.

6 Bikes, a Trike, and a Landspeeder. So it is not as bad as it is made out to be.

Karnophage wrote:
6 Bikes, a Trike, and a Landspeeder. So it is not as bad as it is made out to be.

That's what it is now at $115.00. The new one is $110 and I don't know if it's the same models or not.

At these prices, GW's mainstream product line has, without question, clearly crossed into Forgeworld pricing levels.

The new Land Speeder Vengeance is actually more expensive than FW's Land Speeder Tempest, and the new Deathwing Command Squad is the same price as Forgeworld's Tartaros pattern Terminators.


This is obviously...interesting, for several reasons.

I am waiting for this years prices increase to see what these go up too. Do you guys think these prices are so high because they are SM? I mean CSM had a £45 flyer and walker where Necrons were priced at £25/30 or is a 6th Edition trend?

I guess I lucked out on crons, fairly inexpensive and great rules compared to CSM. I don't think I will be getting a new army anytime soon unless its for another gaming system. I feel bad for the people in the GW shops, they got to try and sell someone a box of 5 dudes for £36.

The SM thing is something I thought of too.
Many SM players just at up all the available merch for them.

I guess the fact that these are SM is affecting my perception somewhat. The Chaos flier was just so stupid (imo) that I wasn't even considering it regardless of cost. The DA stuff hits a lot closer to home.

I expect that many people will either be affected or unaffected depending on what gets released for "their" army.

So, honestly, I was feeling iffy with $50 terminators. But $60? Guess I need to do my Paladin army before the next price rise.

Yes.

I've personally passed on the chaos codex, dinobot swoop, and now the DA Chbi hawks over price. The DA fliers would have to almost half what it is for me to buy.

I have been feeling this way a lot lately, even though I got a ton of new GW stuff for Xmas. I have started buying wargames factory shock troops, 18 guys for. ~$20 bucks, can't beat that!

I was shopping for my 2 year olds birthday today and while in toys are us I went to check out the cool new Star Wars toys I saw that the new millennium falcon is $250!! http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000LRKTZ8/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1357173681&sr=8-36&pi=SL75 I was shocked! anyway I ended up buying my daughter a Woody from toy story which was $35 and Buzz cost $55 (both expensive IMO) I guess the price of everything has gone up a lot. The days of $7.99 metal blister packs of 2 terminators is long gone (1995). Luckily for me I have been into the hobby for 20 years. I have a large number of models and while $75 for a flyer is expensive, it's not so bad since I already have the rest of the army. I would never "get into" this hobby today if I wasn't already invested. As for the hardback codexes, they are the last thing I want. Why would I want to spend more money on a heavier book to have to lug around?

Anyway GW will just keep shaking the money tree.

The priced me out, more or less, right around when 6th hit. I still have yet to buy the 6th edition rulebook. I'm not saying a quit because of 6th, simply using that as a reference point, timeframe-wise.

The models at that point, in my mind, started having worse aesthetics for higher prices. It used to be there was always one clownishly bad looking model per launch for us to all roundly guffaw at, but that percentage has been rising quite a bit IMO - the Chaos Codex is a good example of that, and the DA one continues that with it's small-child, G.I. Joe stylings. I'd be inclined to buy this stuff and fix it up proper if it wasn't so damn expensive.

I play with my nephew and we really only play Imperial Armour games. I will continue padding out my IA8 armies, and will occasionally pick things up if I can find a good deal on ebay or whatever towards that end, but I'm essentially done with any further evolution of the HHHobby.

Let me re-iterate - it's not solely the money that's become a problem - it's the increased prices combined with the stupid sculpting and the wildly hit and miss QA that is finecast no longer represent a justifiably outlay for me. Finecast, I know there are a lot of mixed opinions for me, seriously hurt GW's standing with me. I believe in the material but they simply don't seem to be able to get it together.

If other people don't feel that way, great! You're supposed to enjoy your hobbies; have a blast.

The Hobbit special edition boxed set did it for me.
I would have been happy to shell out $80-$90 bucks for it, but for what they're asking - no.

 TheLionOfTheForest wrote:
I have been feeling this way a lot lately, even though I got a ton of new GW stuff for Xmas. I have started buying wargames factory shock troops, 18 guys for. ~$20 bucks, can't beat that!

I was shopping for my 2 year olds birthday today and while in toys are us I went to check out the cool new Star Wars toys I saw that the new millennium falcon is $250!! http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000LRKTZ8/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1357173681&sr=8-36&pi=SL75 I was shocked! anyway I ended up buying my daughter a Woody from toy story which was $35 and Buzz cost $55 (both expensive IMO) I guess the price of everything has gone up a lot. The days of $7.99 metal blister packs of 2 terminators is long gone (1995). Luckily for me I have been into the hobby for 20 years. I have a large number of models and while $75 for a flyer is expensive, it's not so bad since I already have the rest of the army. I would never "get into" this hobby today if I wasn't already invested. As for the hardback codexes, they are the last thing I want. Why would I want to spend more money on a heavier book to have to lug around?

Anyway GW will just keep shaking the money tree.

Pretty much this. Everything is more expensive today then it was 16 years ago when I started. I used to be able to get a 5 man terminator squad for $32, and I thought that was pricey in 1997.

I shop for bargains on ebay, where I recently picked up a brand new tervigon for 48.50, delivered. The Canadian retail price is $69.25, that's 30% off for the same damn thing....baffles me, it really does.

Also looking into third party manufacturers for my henchmen.

It comes down to what you spend on hobbies. My brothers like dirt biking, and their bikes, gear, fuel and maintenance is probably $1000 a year. I spend half that on GW stuff, and have about 1 unit a month to assemble and paint, which is plenty. I mean, Warhammer isn't cheap, but compared to other mainstream hobbies, it's not really that bad overall in a money to hours of enjoyment ratio. If you cannot afford it though, then you cannot afford it, but there are plenty of ways to cut corners money wise.

 Breotan wrote:
According to BoLS, here are the prices for the new DA stuff coming in January:

Codex: Dark Angels (English) 104pp Colour Hardback $49.50
Ravenwing Dark Talon 1 Mini $75.00
Land Speeder Vengeance 1 Mini $65.00
Deathwing Command Squad 5 Minis $60.00
Ravenwing Command Squad 3 Minis $50.00
Dark Angels Battleforce 8 Minis $110.00

That's right. $75.00 for that flier and $50.00 for three bikes. Oh, and don't forget that awesome DA Battleforce with eight whole models.

I heavily rely on Dark Angels figures for my DYI chapter but I'm wondering if GW has finally hit that magical point where I simply can't justify the cost of their product. I have more disposable income than a lot of people out there so I expect that many of you have already hit this wall. If so, when did it happen for you? If you haven't hit it yet, how is your hobby future looking?

Myself? I find that I am migrating over to Malifaux these days, that and spending obscene amounts of money on kickstarters (damn you McVey, Poots, and the rest). Some small purchases and some specific Forge World purchases are still in the cards, but I'll certainly not be starting up any new armies with GW. I used to buy every codex when it came out. Now I only buy the onces I actually use. Once the annual price increase hits this coming summer, my GW portion of the hobby will likely be reduced to painting. Shame, really.

-pays 63 for 10 tactical marines-
-pays 110 for a LR or SR-
-PAYS 170 FOR THE 8 MODEL BATTLEFORCE.-

The battleforce, mind is possibly one of the more acceptable prices - all the models in it are actually very useful in the right kind of army (a SM bike force is usually speeders and bikes, afterall.)

For me, 6 bikes = $120, the attack bike = 41 and the speeder = 50. That kit gives me a free attack bike - which I will actually use.

Oh, and I can't buy from europe.

I haven't hit a wall yet. I still need my plastic crack.

I have so much GW stuff (most of it unassembled, etc) I dont really need anything else, but yeah they have priced me out basically. My money is going to Flames of War, Warmahordes and Infinity, and I'm wearily eyeing Malifaux... if I could figure out how to get the starters for the masters i want then id be all over it too.

I jumped ship when the price increase/ 6th Ed rules hit I had enough, now I have a bunch of WM/H stuff and am loving it.

Sadly I just looked on eBay and BRB arnt really selling. DV ones are though.....

Priced out? No.

Fed up with seeing the community and player base suffer as a result of them? Yes!

The issue also isn't just that the prices go up, inflation is a fact of life.

It's the fact that they're increasing faster than the rate of inflation often a 2-3x the rate, meaning that it costs significantly more as a portion of ones of income today than it did 5 years ago or 10 years ago.

I never had a particularly high purchase rate, since I've been at uni that has dropped to zero. The last things were either DC or wolf guard, whichever was released last. More out of curiosity than any desire for the models, I will be interested in seeing what we will be paying for them.

It's just poor business practice on their part. Anyone who's taken even an introductory economics course can confirm that there's at least two ways to go about things: Charge a lot for your product and have fewer people buy it, or charge less for your product and have more people buy it. If GW is convinced that, by some miracle of the cosmos, their company is the only company whose product has a set number of people who will buy it regardless of the cost, then by all means they're doing a great job.

As for me, they priced me out of their retail stores when I ran an excel sheet from last years price increase. They may claim to be the leaders in model minatures, and their company does post "profits" for their shareholders, but any company that finds it is necessary to raise the price on their products an average of over 12% (some as high as 40%) is either producing ground-breaking new products the likes of which can't be found anywhere and are without competition...or they're finding their revenue is shrinking and it's all they can think to do to increase their bottom line. It's out of line with the economy and completely out of line with their particular product.

It stands as a testament to what they expect from their enthusiast. They want new people to come into the game, and they want you to spend around $500 to build up your army. From then on out, anything extra you spend is icing on the cake.

What they don't seems to be terribly fond of is you branching out and building new armies, trying out their other systems, or growing with them as a long-term customer.

Much like the price of gas, I don't think there will ever be a point where someone somewhere won't pay to get it, but I find it highly unlikely they're going to continue into the digital age well if they also want to keep 20th century business practices (brick and mortar stores, scripted selling pitches, etc.)

Just my two cents

Well I havent been priced out yet.....yet...HOWEVER, where I used to have about 8 armies at one time (usually 4 for each system - 40K, WHFB), I have downsized to 2 and 2, one of which is a Forgeworld Chaos Dwarf army, so dont know if that counts as 1 for GW or not. At this point I am seriously considering selling my Grey Knights.

yes, 6th ed officially did it for me, as the codex's got so expensive, the models are not my style and I dislike the gameplay
(oh and I hate it when the GW staff try and sell me things like I am some dumb noob, even after you tell them you've been playing for 12 years and don't need anymore of X army but they still try and say you do)
it got so expensive I couldn't afford to play it nowadays, I now have to go online, to second hand markets to buy it.
Even if I wanted it new, 150 dollars (and then 50 or so for the codex to go with it) to get the most recent LotR thing...god no

I should give Warmachine a try... I didn't much like Trollbloods but I think Minions might be a better way to go

Shotgun wrote:
For me it was when it became apparent that the codicies were going hard back. I hd been wavering upto that point, but when it became apparent that I would need to shell out 40 -50 bucks -just to find out- what new models I would be needing to buy...that is when GW died for me. Ain't no way I was going to stay same or married when I figured it was going to cost me 50-200 bucks just to bring an army up to snuff, even taking into consideration the vast mounds of metal I had already aquired.

My hobby is fine though. Switched to WWII historicals mostly. Nice thing about that is that a 15mm PzIVH will always be a 15mm PzIVH no matter the rules system. There are no PzIVH with alternate plasma gatling guns being created for any historical system out there.

I even had a buddy offer to give me a pdf of the 40K rulebook he had aquired. I couldn't even get motivated for that.

I will say that, next to gold, my 40K "investment" has increased nicely. There are several models I have sold second and third hand that cost much much less at the time of original purchase.

There are no PzIVH with alternate plasma gatling guns being created for any historical system out there- Clearly you have not heard about the latest secrets fo the wermacht book from Battlefront

But seriously, I noticed the trend in fantasy even more than 40k, I'm trying to get rid of a few fantasy armies, and its hard these days (maybe because fantasy is less unique than 40K, it seems many more people are leaving WFB than coming in)

BTW, I wonder what is going to happen to GW during the coming years. I know a LOT of people who were once Warhammer-addicts (including myself), but are turning away from GW en masse because they don't longer like the "improved" games such as WH40K, WFB or Space Marine. It seems GW is producing more and more stuff that should attract younger players (e.g. steam tanks, noise marines, childish magic etc...). And if so, where are all those younger players going to get the money to buy a lot of expensive miniatures.

The post I just quoted was from 1992. Some things never change.

 Rainbow Dash wrote:
yes, 6th ed officially did it for me, as the codex's got so expensive, the models are not my style and I dislike the gameplay
(oh and I hate it when the GW staff try and sell me things like I am some dumb noob, even after you tell them you've been playing for 12 years and don't need anymore of X army but they still try and say you do)
it got so expensive I couldn't afford to play it nowadays, I now have to go online, to second hand markets to buy it.
Even if I wanted it new, 150 dollars (and then 50 or so for the codex to go with it) to get the most recent LotR thing...god no

I should give Warmachine a try... I didn't much like Trollbloods but I think Minions might be a better way to go

Just wondering, this sort of attitude. You never complained about the rules at all, merely, the prices, so I'm going out on a limb that you don't still mind playing the game.

As you said, you have been playing for 12 years. You dislike it when staff pressure you to buy more, because you don't need to buy more.

How are you 'priced out'? The most you're doing is buying a few kits and a couple of books when there's an edition changeover and, I'd imagine, if anything new caught your eye.

Yet, you are interested in starting a whole new game - one with models jsut as expensive as GW - where you will be buying entire armies from scratch.

I see this sort of statement all the time, and I just don't get it. Veterans that have been playing long enough that you have everything they need outside of any new releases they might want, yet are perfectly happy to consider trying a game where they'd be spending bucketloads just as startup costs, just to 'stick it to em' for charging... as much as they're going to be paying for the other game.

I'm no stranger to trying new games due to rising prices, but I though the idea was to move to a game that's actually cheaper, not one that's going to cost you roughly the same. That's why I started Infinity.

Im not priced out but I used to buy 3 or 4 armies a year. Paint up about 3000 points or so. I can still afford to do that but why should I? I am settling on maybe 2 a year, so regardless of price increase they are losing money from this loyal customer. I understand the occasional price hike, but it seems they are jacking up everything with each new release. What new customer is going to start a hobby with an initial $300 plus buy that requires hours of work before you can even use it? If things continue I will be out by the end of the year. I expect at least $35 for 5 SM when that new codex hits.