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According to Congressman, Toni Cantó, animals have no rights to life or freedom; on the debate of declaring Bull Races of cultural interest.

Link to the news (in Spanish): http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/politica/toni-canto-upyd-toros-congreso-2316821

Excerpt of his speech, translated by me:

"The bulls, or any other animal, lack both of our fundamental rights: the rights to freedom and life" and he added "they have no rights as they have no obligations [...] since they lack free will and ability of taking decitions, we can't consider them ethical beings able to tell wrong from good"

Wait, the Spanish have questionable standards when it comes to animal protection?!!?

Since when!!?







In case you can't tell, I'm being sarcastic.

Everybody, to the bull fights!

What's the difference between an animal and a human?

 daedalus wrote:
What's the difference between an animal and a human?

...

Killer dance moves at the disco?

 daedalus wrote:
What's the difference between an animal and a human?

Our brain.

And we are off...

 djones520 wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
What's the difference between an animal and a human?

Our brain.

I'm pretty sure both taste similar and both serve as filler for ravioli.

 Dark wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
What's the difference between an animal and a human?

Our brain.

I'm pretty sure both taste similar and both serve as filler for ravioli.

A man's brain isn't much for taste though... best mixed in your wiskey for power.

 djones520 wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
What's the difference between an animal and a human?

Our brain.

Which difference in our brain?

There's evidence to suggest that dolphins and some apes are self-aware.

Animals have been witnessed having enough problem-solving skills to use tools.

My dog knows how to be deceptive.

I can therefore conclude that there exist animals at least as intelligent as my coworkers.

And smarter then most governments.

Soladrin beat me to the joke lol.

Why is this even being debated? We can murder unborn children for having club foot, so why the concern about an animals right to life?

The article itself was pretty short on details, was this in relation to a lawsuit? It almost sounds as if someone was trying to obtain human rights for animals and got knocked back.

Essentialy, they want to make bull fighting a cultural heritage. So it's a apparently good to brutally and painfully murder animals.

 Soladrin wrote:
Essentialy, they want to make bull fighting a cultural heritage. So it's a apparently good to brutally and painfully murder animals.

Well, it kind of already is part of their cultural heritage, at least regionally. Whether it's a part of their cultural heritage that everybody likes or not is something different of course.


What do they do with the bulls after a bull-fighting match? Do they eat them or otherwise use the body for anything useful?

That reminds me of a joke:

A tourist goes to a local Spanish restaurant and orders the special. He gets two big pieces of meat and finds them delicious. He asks the waiter what they are and is told "they are the testicles of the bull that lost today's match. We consider them a delicacy!" The man was very impressed and returns the next weekend for another meal. The food was as delicious as last time, but the portion was a lot smaller. He calls the waiter over to tell him that the meal was delicious and to ask about the smaller size today. "I am glad you liked your meal, but today the bull won the match..."

 Hordini wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:
Essentialy, they want to make bull fighting a cultural heritage. So it's a apparently good to brutally and painfully murder animals.

Well, it kind of already is part of their cultural heritage, at least regionally. Whether it's a part of their cultural heritage that everybody likes or not is something different of course.


What do they do with the bulls after a bull-fighting match? Do they eat them or otherwise use the body for anything useful?

Pretty sure they do get eaten. Its not like the fight does anything harmful to the meat.

Of course the meat of a full grown bull is going to be very different to your typical beef which comes from a steer or an old milk cow. Being a full adult male with all his normal hormones does stuff to the texture and flavor. Very strong flavor and tough texture.

 daedalus wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
What's the difference between an animal and a human?

Our brain.

Which difference in our brain?

Most importantly, a wider net of mirror neurons and nervous structures exhibiting mirror properties than other animal species have.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_neuron

More directly on-topic ; It's gakky. Keeping in mind that no sane person wants to go all hippy, it'd be nice if we could all agree that animals have a basic right to live free from suffering caused only for the sake of human amusement.

Except spiders. Spiders can go feth themselves with a claymore for all I care.

Humans are still very different from animals. While some animals do share some of the same features such as emotions and self-awareness there is still a gap. It may not be completely definable, but it is there.

And on the specific, let's not forget there is no manlier thing than to fight a starved, half sedated, beaten up and scared bull, with 4 lads with pikes to assist me.

Starved, sedated, beaten up? I wasn't aware they did that to the bulls before the fight. Those arn't condusive to a good fight.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Humans are still very different from animals. While some animals do share some of the same features such as emotions and self-awareness there is still a gap. It may not be completely definable, but it is there.

Let's go with 'pedantic and obscure quotation in a foreign language' ;

''Ce qui se conçoit bien s'énonce clairement''
- Boileau, l'art poétique (1647)

No sprekenze frenchy.

It should be a fair fight.
Human gets no weapons and no clothes.
Bull gets no weapons and no clothes.
Fight until one of them surrenders.

Except the bull does have weapons. Horns, his head(which qualifies as a blunt force weapon), and his body weight.

 Grey Templar wrote:
No sprekenze frenchy.

A quick search... oh and gak it it's only a sentence.

''What is well conceptualized can be easily expressed''.

Body weight isn't a weapon.
It's a statistic.
You only get what your born with.
Humans have a head (Blunt force weapon)
Humans are intelligent. A human could stockpile research relating to bulls, allowing him to understand the nature of bulls and therefore give him an edge in strategic play.

 purplefood wrote:
A human could stockpile research relating to bulls, allowing him to understand the nature of bulls and therefore give him an edge in strategic play.

You mean, like, understanding that bulls are not a danger to any reasonnable human being and that we shouldn't try to engage them in combat?

feth you Spainards. That is all.