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 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
Also Does the New Kill Mob have have the DA BOSS IZ WATCHING and DA BIGGEST AN' DA BEST rules ?

It was part of the Sanctus reach formations, so didnt have it originally.

Very good question. I am wondering what the rules are for that as well as the WAAAGGGHH band. I hope they got some nice bonuses. As it stands the waaggghh band old rules (ork warband) are entirely worthless when used in the decurion.

I am also curious as to what relics can be used for these formations.

If they didnt gain the grot turd rules (Da boss iz watchin and Biggest an'da best), the Goff Kill Mob I may run out side the orkcurion.

Well, "technically" they do get those rules but they dont do anything.

They have no Mob Rule chart, so even though they have +2 on it...they dont have the chart to begin with.
Walkers are not characters, so they cant be forced to challenge.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Well, "technically" they do get those rules but they dont do anything.

They have no Mob Rule chart, so even though they have +2 on it...they dont have the chart to begin with.
Walkers are not characters, so they cant be forced to challenge.

The kill mob has 3 units of 20 boys and Nobs, so those rules effect it if they got them

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Well, "technically" they do get those rules but they dont do anything.

They have no Mob Rule chart, so even though they have +2 on it...they dont have the chart to begin with.
Walkers are not characters, so they cant be forced to challenge.

The kill mob has 3 units of 20 boys and Nobs, so those rules effect it if they got them

The Killmob only gets them when in the Decurion, otherwise its just Fear and rerolling morale tests.

 Grimmor wrote:

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Well, "technically" they do get those rules but they dont do anything.

They have no Mob Rule chart, so even though they have +2 on it...they dont have the chart to begin with.
Walkers are not characters, so they cant be forced to challenge.

The kill mob has 3 units of 20 boys and Nobs, so those rules effect it if they got them

The Killmob only gets them when in the Decurion, otherwise its just Fear and rerolling morale tests.

Thank you ! Its kind of usable now for the way i play. So the Decurion actually makes it worse lol

Any one have a screen shot of just the Goff Kill Mob Formation ? I want to see how they changed it, so I can get a few listys going before I get the book.

where is the green tide in this? it appears to be gone.

 Swampmist wrote:
Again, main thing is that you can get infinite waaagh with Ghaz, meaning your army is fearless and ghaz gets his 2+ invuln.

Has this been confirmed? If so, that's pretty massive. Turn ghaz from terribad to AWESOME.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:

 Swampmist wrote:
Again, main thing is that you can get infinite waaagh with Ghaz, meaning your army is fearless and ghaz gets his 2+ invuln.

Has this been confirmed? If so, that's pretty massive. Turn ghaz from terribad to AWESOME.

Issue is the min 614 points to get him and you need a core choice of either a Goff Kill mob or Ork Warband first.

fair enough, and it's not like ghaz with a 2++ is going to single handedly kill everything, but it'd be kinda fun, I'd imagine.

Recalculated again. It is possible to field the Council, the Warband and a single Deffkopta under 1850 pts. To do this you must take only trukks as transports, no meganobs and all warbosses must have only 'eavy armour and powrklaws. Ghaz, Mad Dok, 2 warbosses, one mek (with either a KFF or SAG) + 3 barebones nobs inside a trukk is 752 pts. Then you can have all boys in the Warband have 11 boyz, trukks+ PK Nobs. Warboss goes with just 'eavy armor and a PK with 3 nobs with 'eavy armour in a Trukk. Thats 1057. Leaves room for 1 Deffkopta/Warbuggy. No need for Bosspoles since you will be fearless. With a little luck you get T1 assault and the enemy will have a hard time dealing with it. If you go second hide the trukks in cover or behind LOS blocking terrain. The only thing you have to care about will be the trukk with Ghaz. All in all its a masive spamm of trukks and min sized fearless units with a ghazy Deathstar.

What I am thinking of doing is mega armored warbosses everywhere. Made a fun 2500 list (Anything to do with this decurion is not competitive IMO) to play my daemon buddy and my list is a bunch of walking blobs, ghazy deathstar, Warbosses in MA (2 in ghazy 1 in the ork horde), 1 manz missle, 3 deff koptas, 2 warbuggies, 3 gretchin squads, a BW transport for the deathstar with the traditional big mek stompa at its discounted price.

The none stompa version gives each boy squad a nob with big choppa, another MA warboss and a killa kan mob.

Does not seem competitive at all and I feel much better about my 2000 ork CAD + bullyboyz list, but the ghazy deathstar could be fun. Its not like I am building the entire army around giving one guy a 2 up invuln when space marines could just take Lysander and get almost as tanky with no requirements needed. xD

Why give the warbosses eavy armor? Might as well keep em at 6+ for majority armor vs grav guns.

I ran the council of waaagh before and I was fun now it will be hilarious I think. Not remotely what I was hoping for but doesn't surprise me. Oh well now to figure out how to male it work for the footslogging.

 Orock wrote:
Why give the warbosses eavy armor? Might as well keep em at 6+ for majority armor vs grav guns.

Also an option. Leaves 35 pts to spend.

 cranect wrote:
I ran the council of waaagh before and I was fun now it will be hilarious I think. Not remotely what I was hoping for but doesn't surprise me. Oh well now to figure out how to male it work for the footslogging.

I dont think you have to footslog it. I would think the nobs could still take their dedicated transport and even if they couldnt just take a CAD outside the formation bare bones and give that a battle wagon.

 hordrak wrote:

 Orock wrote:
Why give the warbosses eavy armor? Might as well keep em at 6+ for majority armor vs grav guns.

Also an option. Leaves 35 pts to spend.

I think the MA upgrade is totally worth it though. Puts their WS 8 PKs to great use as they tear nearly anything up in CQC. Nothing short of S10 ap2 will mess up the star and even then you at least get 3 nobs to try and eat that wounds as well as the big mek. Oh and if said monsters are characters ghazy can eat it with his 2 up invuln.

Oh no I'm not footslogging the council...probably... For 1850 I might need to to get a satisfactory number of nobz. The rest of the army will be though since I'm not a fan of trukk or bike spam or speed freaks in general. I prefer goffs, blood axes, and snakebites the most.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:

 cranect wrote:
I ran the council of waaagh before and I was fun now it will be hilarious I think. Not remotely what I was hoping for but doesn't surprise me. Oh well now to figure out how to male it work for the footslogging.

I dont think you have to footslog it. I would think the nobs could still take their dedicated transport and even if they couldnt just take a CAD outside the formation bare bones and give that a battle wagon.

 hordrak wrote:

 Orock wrote:
Why give the warbosses eavy armor? Might as well keep em at 6+ for majority armor vs grav guns.

Also an option. Leaves 35 pts to spend.

I think the MA upgrade is totally worth it though. Puts their WS 8 PKs to great use as they tear nearly anything up in CQC. Nothing short of S10 ap2 will mess up the star and even then you at least get 3 nobs to try and eat that wounds as well as the big mek. Oh and if said monsters are characters ghazy can eat it with his 2 up invuln.

True. But that will be 2000 pts, not 1850. Not a big difference, however.

Messing around took a warband as core with all trukks PKs, rams and planks was able to fit 30 (3x10) tank bustas in trukks.

That is a total of 10 trukks ( 6 boyz, 1 nob , 3 bustas) , 8 Pk's at 1850

I knew we would get the Cadian treatment on the core but even the auxiliary formations are gak. Somebody at GW doesn't even understand how to encourage sales. Give orks free trukks or some other crazy bonus to make us want to buy the requirements for their formations. Instead we have formations that don't do anything (this is the most "take 1 of this, no benefits" I've ever seen in an auxiliary list) and a core that offers nothing. Whoever made this has no interest in selling models, making orks playable, or even getting two squigs about the faction. This is just a "have this done by 5" task they threw at somebody who went through and quickly edited a few things from the old supplements and slapped it into the Decurion template calling it a day, probably even got praise for finishing by 3.

There is SOOOO much potential for cool formations like a Weirdboy conclave that could sell models and give Orks some variety. I don't get how a company doesn't even try to make something interesting and instead just shrugs their shoulders and serve up the same dish that people didn't buy before. I dunno, maybe they did try their best and this is all they can manage? They did change the krushing crew rule to be rage instead of furious charge. Maybe that's the secret sauce that will make people realize that "yes I do need 3 gorkanauts in my life". I'm surprised that they didn't give Blitz Brigade free stikkbomb chukkas.

Ultimately the only thing I can feel is disappointment in GW. I didn't expect 4+ FNP army wide or free trukks for everyone but its the lack of any real attempt to make you want to buy more Orks that leaves me stunned and confused. How a company that has shown its trying to encourage sales would let this product go through is beyond me. I would encourage everyone to contact GW and let it be known that these rules are not appealing and they do not encourage you to buy new models. I feel like GW is dense enough to actually think a lack of sales response is because of low popularity of Orks instead of the fact that they made bad rules.

If you don't like it, vote with your wallet and don;t buy.

Unfortunately GW makes a lot of it's money from new people entering the hobby, so they'll see this, think it's amazing and buy all the stuff they need, only to realize that it's utter garbage.

 Vankraken wrote:
I knew we would get the Cadian treatment on the core but even the auxiliary formations are gak. Somebody at GW doesn't even understand how to encourage sales. Give orks free trukks or some other crazy bonus to make us want to buy the requirements for their formations. Instead we have formations that don't do anything (this is the most "take 1 of this, no benefits" I've ever seen in an auxiliary list) and a core that offers nothing. Whoever made this has no interest in selling models, making orks playable, or even getting two squigs about the faction. This is just a "have this done by 5" task they threw at somebody who went through and quickly edited a few things from the old supplements and slapped it into the Decurion template calling it a day, probably even got praise for finishing by 3.

There is SOOOO much potential for cool formations like a Weirdboy conclave that could sell models and give Orks some variety. I don't get how a company doesn't even try to make something interesting and instead just shrugs their shoulders and serve up the same dish that people didn't buy before. I dunno, maybe they did try their best and this is all they can manage? They did change the krushing crew rule to be rage instead of furious charge. Maybe that's the secret sauce that will make people realize that "yes I do need 3 gorkanauts in my life". I'm surprised that they didn't give Blitz Brigade free stikkbomb chukkas.

Ultimately the only thing I can feel is disappointment in GW. I didn't expect 4+ FNP army wide or free trukks for everyone but its the lack of any real attempt to make you want to buy more Orks that leaves me stunned and confused. How a company that has shown its trying to encourage sales would let this product go through is beyond me. I would encourage everyone to contact GW and let it be known that these rules are not appealing and they do not encourage you to buy new models. I feel like GW is dense enough to actually think a lack of sales response is because of low popularity of Orks instead of the fact that they made bad rules.

yeah my thoughts exactly, i can write better formations in like 5 minutes. I have sent an email to gw

Just about to send mine. I need to proof read so that it's firm and gets the point across without coming off as whiny because Orks aren't Eldar level.

I never wanted Eldar level. I just wanted each unit in the Codex to be usable, without formations being used as a band-aid.

Any word on the Green tide?

I also forget that the council formation also gives ghaz +1 ws and 2 additional warlord traits with free rerolls on top of his fearless waaggh trait.
Add in a Lukky stick to one of the warbosses in mega armour (for 2+ reroll armour) and ghaz has WS8 with the rest of the formation at ws7.
Win a single challenge with ghaz and he also rerolls all to wound rolls in combat the rest of the game.
Ghaz is not going to be easy to kill.

Combing for potential I see WAAAGH! turn 1 and forward, and room for lots of tank bustas. Each Core opens up for 10 auxilaries.

Trukk boys with boarding planks can try charge:

12" DZ, 6" move, 6" disembarge, d6" run move (possibly re-roll with 1 in 3 chance of getting the Like a Thunderbolt warlord trait), 2d6" charge move with reroll of 1 dice, +2" from boarding planks.

12+6+6+d6+2+2d6 (1 re-roll)
26+3+8=37
Trukk boyz charge 37" onto the board on average.

Stormboyz go even faster:
12" DZ, 12" move, 2d6" run, 2d6" charge with 1 re-roll.

12+12+2d6+2d6 (1 re-roll)
24+7+8=39
Stormboyz charge 39" onto the board on average.

There is a potential for a Trukk army, too bad you requre more than 1000 points of core formation before you can start taking any Elites.

Say that you do 6 Trukk boyz mobs with nob, bosspole and klaw. Then you might afford 3 Tankbusta mobs in Trukks with a nob and bosspole. Maybe you can fit a Looted wagon or two - put the Nobs and Warboss in one, and keep the grots to hold an objective. That would make for 6+3+2=11 vehicles on the line on turn 1, ready to charge.

If you get the fist turn you'll most likely krump the enemy right good. If you don't you're gonna get wiped by any competent Tau or Eldar player. So basically the entire game will depend on who gets the first turn.

Potentially fun, but that's only a single build, and everything hinges on a single throw of the dice.

EDIT: wait, Looted wagons are not an auxiliary, right? So that won't work. Maybe you can squeeze one battlewagon in there, or at least go with a Trukk for the Nobs. So 10 vehicles.

The way I see this, it's a fun alternate way to run Ghazzy. You get either:

1) a predetermined way to run ghazzy as the unstoppable behemoth we've always wanted him to be, with either a mob of footsloggers and walkers or a swarm of Trukk boyz

Or

2) a way to play with the formations if you take it without Ghaz (remember you still get a Warboss to roll for prophet of waaag if you take the Waaaghband, so you can take a Painboy as desired)

Either way you can get some fun benefits (Ghazzy being awesome in the former, or stuff like permawaaaghing Dakkajets and run and charging Stormboyz in the latter)

Do you get an Eldar level cheese Dex? No but that was never gonna happen without actual unit changes, and as soon as we knew it was waagh Ghaz we should've known it wasn't that. Ghaz never had any units in it.

Waaargh wrote:


12+6+6+d6+2+2d6 (1 re-roll)
26+3+8=37
Trukk boyz charge 37" onto the board on average.

Stormboyz go even faster:
12" DZ, 12" move, 2d6" run, 2d6" charge with 1 re-roll.

12+12+2d6+2d6 (1 re-roll)
24+7+8=39
Stormboyz charge 39" onto the board on average.

Super funny but pls dn't count deployment zone as movement. Only count actual movement as movement ; )



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 warhead01 wrote:
Any word on the Green tide?

Not in the gazcurion formation.

Well this has been a. . . disappointment to put it politely.

Is this just a one off release with a single supplement or is there more ork stuff coming, like say a campaign book? Is there any hope at all for my poor horde?