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Having a rules problem on one hand the way I read the rules is that as when a vehicle deep strikes it counts as moving cruising speed therefore the flyer will not crash due to not having moved the minimum distance required.

On the other hand my opponent is arguing that as the rule book states that as it must move 18" it does not fulfill this requirement and so should crash.

Who is right?

all the flyers have been taken away that deepstrike thing. death from the skies book. and faqs.

I'm using a Eldar Corsair list which allows me to grant three units the Deep Strike rule.


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One of which can be a flyer.

As sorry as I am, it would appear (IMO) that your friend is right. In the flyer section, it defines combat and crusing speed. Its then later says that you must move a minimum of 18", not a minimum of combat speed. The deep strike rules say nothing about satisfying minimum movements, just you are considered to have moved at crusing speed for the purposes of shooting with that vehicle. Sounds like this needs to be faqd though. It doesnt really make much sence...

If a flyer deep strikes, it is considered to be moving cruising speed.

Cruising speed for a flyer is over 18 and up to 36 inches.

The flyer does not crash, as the Zooming flyer counts as having moved at least 18 inches, as it counts as moving cruising speed

rbacus wrote:
As sorry as I am, it would appear (IMO) that your friend is right. In the flyer section, it defines combat and crusing speed. Its then later says that you must move a minimum of 18", not a minimum of combat speed. The deep strike rules say nothing about satisfying minimum movements, just you are considered to have moved at crusing speed for the purposes of shooting with that vehicle. Sounds like this needs to be faqd though. It doesnt really make much sence...

It does seem to be a classic RAI vs RAW debate :/

 DeathReaper wrote:
If a flyer deep strikes, it is considered to be moving cruising speed.

Cruising speed for a flyer is over 18 and up to 36 inches.

The flyer does not crash, as the Zooming flyer counts as having moved at least 18 inches, as it counts as moving cruising speed

This.

There is no confusion about this rule. It says "Vehicles, except for Walkers, count as having moved at Cruising Speed" under the Deep Strike special rule (Warhammer 40,000 Rulebook, p. 36).

Flyers that enter via Deep Strike do not automatically crash. Even if your opponent really wanted to be TFG, the fourth sentence of Zoom says it can not voluntarily move less than 18".

It's really quite simple. A vehicle that's Deep Striking "counts as" (=is treated for all rules purposes as) moving at Cruising Speed. Cruising Speed for a Flyer is over 18".

No matter what kind of vehicle (aside from Walkers), they never literally traverse any lateral distance when they Deep Strike, but they are treated for all rules purposes as having moved Cruising Speed.

 Mannahnin wrote:
It's really quite simple. A vehicle that's Deep Striking "counts as" (=is treated for all rules purposes as) moving at Cruising Speed. Cruising Speed for a Flyer is over 18".

No matter what kind of vehicle (aside from Walkers), they never literally traverse any lateral distance when they Deep Strike, but they are treated for all rules purposes as having moved Cruising Speed.

The problem is the only mention of counting as cruising speed is in regards to the shooting phase. This is probably the reason why GW removed DS from all Flyers, as they do not have a displacement of 18+".

I want it to be clear that I agree that only TFG would call someone out on this; however if he did, he would be right.

To everyone that said that they "count as having moved at crusing speed" you are right. But the first sentence of that paragraph is "In that turn's shooting pahse..." Then they go on to say they obviously cound as having moved in the movement phase for the purpose of shooting, and vehicles (except walkers) count as having moved at crusing speed. So unless some mechanic was invented where you can apply a process like that in the shooting phase, to the previous movement phase, they crash.

However, just to restate my opinion, I would not ever bring this up to anyone be it a friendly game or tournemant.

For the record, not all fliers with deep strike lost it, only those covered in the Death From the Skies book. For example, the Sky Talon, Arvus Lighter, Aquila Lander, & Storm Eagle to name a few, while IA/FW do still HAVE DS. That being said, since the BRB says a vehicle counts as having moved cruising speed to me says just that.

Your opponent is a tool.

There is a simple solution to this, roll your scatter as normal, hold flyer 18+ inches above the table, and move it on to the table, making swooshing flying sounds. Then he can't say it has moved it's minimum.


In all serious, it counts as having moved cruising speed, it's fine. I'm sure if you deep struck a non flyer vehicle, he wouldn't discount the rule when you shoot all you weapons at full ballistic skill?