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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 18:26:41
Subject: Painting Space Wolves - Help requested
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Ambitious Space Wolves Initiate
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Hi Dakka,
I'm a born again hobbist and have just started painting stuff again. Could i have your though on this WIP please? I am looking to improve my 'rad' skills and start producing stuff of decent quality, so any and all advice would be appreciated! Thanks
Also, apologies for the quality of the pictures, currently stuck using a phone camera untill my photographer buddy gets back from his holiday :(
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/03/23 22:46:03
'You can't take the sky from me'
Course, not giving SPACE wolves anything that flies is a pretty good way of making sure I'll never make it there to begin with.
My Bran Redmaw Conversion http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/546870.page
Seeking help with eyes and something for the redmaw.... |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/18 23:29:45
Subject: Re:Advice on Space Wolf
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Drakhun
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Ok. First and foremost you need to thin out your paints a bit more. Also I would recommend using a base brown under your golds (lighter or darker depending on the brightness your going for). Washes are great but try to limit them to the recesses as to create shadow effects. i would cut back on the line highlighting just a little bit especially the box painted around the chest.
Here is a great basic line highlighting tutorial.
http://fromthewarp.blogspot.com/2011/08/basics-line-highlighting-made-simple.html
Hope that helps and wasn't too over critical.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/19 01:12:00
Subject: Re:Advice on Space Wolf
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Been Around the Block
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General rule of thumb. If it doesn't look terrible when it's blown up that huge, it's not too bad to start with.
If I had to make suggestions, however;
Unless you are [i]really[/i/] dedicated to the all-blue theme, I would add a little more variety in there. Perhaps even another shade of blue.
One thing that will go a LONG way towards fantastic-ifying your models would be the use of a slightly smoother, more characatured shading/highlighting. Start with the dark blue, but try to build up, either through layers or wet-brush blending to a much lighter blue, keeping the gradient as smooth as possible. Finally, just pick out sharp, clear highlights with a strikingly lighter blue. These models are too small to rely on natural shadows, we have to cartoon-ify them!
The last suggestion I have is, as noted, about the washing. I myself am a huge fan of full model washes; I think they can really help to provide some unity to a colourful model. Here's what I do:
1. Wash the whole model in a suitable, dark colour. Wood elves might get a brown. A wizard might get a dark green. Yours would likely work well with a midnight blue.
2. With colours a few shades darker than the colour you would like each section to be, paint the entire model, just using flat coats, not worrying about getting smooth coverage. Leave tiny slivers unpainted where you want the darkest recesses.
3. Wash the model again.
4. Go back in with the same colours you just used, and repaint each section, stopping just shy of the edges you painted to the first time.
5. From there, build up each colour section to the main colour and highlights you desire.
I realize that is a bit unconventional, but I come from a family of visual artists. Underpainting is more or less ingrained!
Also, using a different colour for your shadows can create an awesome effect. Blue, shaded with dark blue, highlighted with light blue is fine. A dark sepia underpaint, painted over with blue, shaded with a deep violet, highlighted with a sea-green is going to look awesome, shaded and almost iridescent.
I think focusing on a greater variance in palette, and also attempting smoother gradations will step your work up a lot. You already have a good example here, with obvious hand control and patience demonstrated. Keep it up!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/20 01:04:01
Subject: Re:Advice on Space Wolf
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Ambitious Space Wolves Initiate
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Hey guys, thanks for the advise. Now all i need to do is keep you here so i can keep plundering your collective knowledge bases :p
@darefsky - I dont think that unless you are telling me I'm  and should get out and stop despoiling your hobby it is possible to be too critical on someone asking for criticism haha.
With regards to the highlighting I will be having a look at that tutorial and trying to 'tone down' some of the more over the top bits. Keeping the paint watered down is being a pain, what kind of consistency would you recommend working at? I have heard like milk thrown around long ago, but when i tried that the paint, well, it wasn't paint it was faintly coloured water and didnt seem to be actually adding any pigment to the model... :/ As you will see down below this is something i will definatly need to spend some serious time investigating and practicing. Going under golds (or brass, as this was supposed to be) with browns hadn't occurred to me before. As you might see below i have put two very different shades of brown down on the test model for when i get round to adding some metallics.
@Revenlen - I do love me some blue hahaha (quietly plays 'I'm blue, dab a dee dab a die' over and over again in the background) but I do take your point. With the couple of extra bits done to that model (no pics sorry) I have added more other colours (red and black sword in scabbard, that kind of thing). it does help to break the blue up a bit. But still, its a space wolf, what other colour should it be!
Now, see below for an update from your suggestions - if you look carefully, you might even see something not blue
inb4: Yes, i did spot the mold lines, but the paint had already started flowing, and besides its a test piece, right?
Also, i know the paint on the last stage went very think and such, but I am really struggling when mixing my paints. Can anyone suggest a reasonably easy way to do it consistently and give yourself enough time to get paint on the model without it turning into a nice thick paste?
Thanks
shiny
[edit] - again, apologies for the state of the pictures, will have to see if i can get a hold of a camera with a decent macro function on it...
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/03/20 01:05:31
'You can't take the sky from me'
Course, not giving SPACE wolves anything that flies is a pretty good way of making sure I'll never make it there to begin with.
My Bran Redmaw Conversion http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/546870.page
Seeking help with eyes and something for the redmaw.... |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/20 01:55:29
Subject: Advice on Space Wolf
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Drakhun
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The biggest issue I had with thinning when starting out was using water. Some people do and love it. I use mat medium from Vallejo or Airbrush thinner and it works wonders.
As to the "skim milk" consistency theory, it all depends on the paint your using at the time, it varies from range to range, and color to color. Just keep experimenting with it and you'll figure it out in time. Some colors like red will take a few coats and that's ok.
As with anything just keep trying and reading and watching YouTube tutorials and you'll keep improving.
And the biggest thing is don't be afraid to try new techniques, we all mess them up when we start them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/20 07:25:32
Subject: Re:Advice on Space Wolf
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Ambitious Space Wolves Initiate
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Humm, I'll have to see if I can pick some of that up. To the Flgs!
Also, it's reassuring to know that other people don't like water, and I get the feeling there are going to be many many more test marines on the way
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'You can't take the sky from me'
Course, not giving SPACE wolves anything that flies is a pretty good way of making sure I'll never make it there to begin with.
My Bran Redmaw Conversion http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/546870.page
Seeking help with eyes and something for the redmaw.... |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/22 23:38:44
Subject: Re:Advice on Space Wolf
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Ambitious Space Wolves Initiate
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Right, its educate the new guy time methinks...
I've been playing around with trying out recess washing with a kinda violet shading (as per Revelen's suggestion) has not been giving particularly interesting or nice models, so could someone expand on what was being driven at here? I don't think I've understood what Rev was trying to get across (in terms of paint application, the effect I can imagine well enough), so some light shedding would be appreciated. Also, anybody else with an idea or technique they are willing to share is welcome to try and explain (i promise to try and get what your saying :p).
The thoughts behind the army (well, unit would be a more apt description) is quite fluff orientated. I want them to be dark, not a muddy/dirty 'oh no I've been through 800,000 wars and I've gotten a bit discoloured' but a dark bluey grey paint, as opposed to the bright colours favoured by GW. Things that are overly shiny (see Blood Angles, Ultramarines, Eldar etc) don't seem to belong in 40k. It always seemed to me to be a muted place, where that kind of thing just isn't done... Sorry, got a bit into it there, but thats what I'm looking to achieve. A dark, muted scheme (with some areas of brightness, I don't want to bring the most visually depressing army since the advent of the primer spray) thats blue
So yh, if anyone can help, it would be wonderful.Ta
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'You can't take the sky from me'
Course, not giving SPACE wolves anything that flies is a pretty good way of making sure I'll never make it there to begin with.
My Bran Redmaw Conversion http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/546870.page
Seeking help with eyes and something for the redmaw.... |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/23 03:16:26
Subject: Advice on Space Wolf
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Drakhun
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Well ok. There are several ways to achieve what your looking for.
You can do the primer, base color, All model wash, than Highlight up from there kinda thing. Would probably be the easiest way I can think of, your going to need to thin the gak out of your highlights and almost use them as a glaze to get what your looking for,lots and lots of super thin coats to get the desired color.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/23 22:45:22
Subject: Re:Advice on Space Wolf
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Ambitious Space Wolves Initiate
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Right then, i have been playing around ( a head this time  ) and this is the result. Again, c&c is always appreciated and desired.
Also, there may be light at the end of the tunnel with regards to getting better photo's, but for the moment, please bear with me, I know its horrible :(
Shiny
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'You can't take the sky from me'
Course, not giving SPACE wolves anything that flies is a pretty good way of making sure I'll never make it there to begin with.
My Bran Redmaw Conversion http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/546870.page
Seeking help with eyes and something for the redmaw.... |
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