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In a repudiation of a major element in the Bloomberg administration’s crime-fighting legacy, a federal judge has found that the stop-and-frisk tactics of the New York Police Department violated the constitutional rights of tens of thousands of New Yorkers, and called for a federal monitor to oversee broad reforms.
In a decision issued on Monday, the judge, Shira A. Scheindlin, ruled that police officers have for years been systematically stopping innocent people in the street without any objective reason to suspect them of wrongdoing. Officers often frisked these people, usually young minority men, for weapons or searched their pockets for contraband, like drugs, before letting them go, according to the 195-page decision.

These stop-and-frisk episodes, which soared in number over the last decade as crime continued to decline, demonstrated a widespread disregard for the Fourth Amendment, which protects against unreasonable searches and seizures by the government, according to the ruling. It also found violations with the 14th Amendment.

To fix the constitutional violations, Judge Scheindlin of Federal District Court in Manhattan said she intended to designate an outside lawyer, Peter L. Zimroth, to monitor the Police Department’s compliance with the Constitution.

The decision to install Mr. Zimroth, a partner in the New York office of Arnold & Porter, LLP, and a former corporation counsel and prosecutor in the Manhattan district attorney’s office, will leave the department under a degree of judicial control that is certain to shape the policing strategies under the next mayor.

The ruling, in Floyd v. City of New York, follows a two-month nonjury trial earlier this year over the department’s stop-and-frisk practices.

Judge Scheindlin heard testimony from about a dozen black or biracial men and a woman who described being stopped, and she heard from statistical experts who offered their conclusions based on police paperwork describing some 4.43 million stops between 2004 and mid-2012. Numerous police officers and commanders testified as well, typically defending the legality of stops and saying they were made only when officers reasonably suspected criminality was afoot.

While the Supreme Court has long recognized the right of police officers to briefly stop and investigate people who are behaving suspiciously, Judge Scheindlin found that the New York police had overstepped that authority. She found that officers were too quick to deem as suspicious behavior that was perfectly innocent, in effect watering down the legal standard required for a stop.

She noted that about 88 percent of the stops result in the police letting the person go without an arrest or ticket, a percentage so high, she said, that it suggests there was not a credible suspicion to suspect the person of criminality in the first place.


I agree with this ruling. NY's policy was ridiculous, even with the idea of 'suspicious behavior' being a benchmark.

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Agreed... probable cause needed to be MUCH higher than their current stop/frisk program.

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I thought we had a thread on this, or did we have a thread on the induction/announcement of Stop and Frisk...

I'd only ever be okay with this policy if the cops actually stopped me and frisked me, but only after taking me out to a nice dinner... No dinner, no frisking..

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Hey hey ho ho stop and firsk has got to go...

Finally, someone remembered we have the 4th Amendment.

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It's about time someone pushed back a little. Hopefully the next mayor feels like getting rid of the policy all together instead of just having someone monitor it.

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It was about time that someone realized this was a violation of 4th amendment rights. Simply "fitting a description" is not a reason to search someone.
   
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 Frazzled wrote:
Hey hey ho ho stop and firsk has got to go...

Finally, someone remembered we have the 4th Amendment.

Stop and Frisk is not gone.

New York's policy was unbelievably lenient.
   
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It often wasn't even about individuals fitting a description, looking at police or making eye contact was enough to be deemed worth of a search.




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 Crablezworth wrote:
It often wasn't even about individuals fitting a description, looking at police or making eye contact was enough to be deemed worth of a search.

That's bollocks and you well know it.



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Because filming in shadow, a police officer wanting to be anonymous totally would wear a patrolman's uniform.

Totally.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Crablezworth wrote:
It often wasn't even about individuals fitting a description, looking at police or making eye contact was enough to be deemed worth of a search.

That's bollocks and you well know it.



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Because filming in shadow, a police officer wanting to be anonymous totally would wear a patrolman's uniform.

Totally.


Yeah I'm sure it'd be really easy to figuer out which officer it was, I mean after all new york only has 34,000 of them in uniform...

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They had a panel on the Daily Show last week with five white New Yorkers and five black New Yorkers, and when polled about Stop and Frisk none of the whites had been stopped, and four out of five blacks had been, and the one that hadn't only moved to New York just recently. It is an informal poll to be sure, but still seems to show some underling issues with the policy.

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 Frazzled wrote:
Hey its only a problem if you don't like being groped by burly men in uniform Ahtman.

Well... according to Alf, if one of them bought him dinner he'd be okay with it.
But, I'd demand movie and some bling as well dammit.

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At least a movie. And not some chick flick either.

Speaking of...The World's End looks choice.

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 Crablezworth wrote:

Yeah I'm sure it'd be really easy to figuer out which officer it was, I mean after all new york only has 34,000 of them in uniform...

If someone is concerned enough about retaliation from speaking out, why would they wear their uniform?
   
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Why wouldn't they? The silhouette of a hat they all wear says far less about the individual and hell if you want a pulled from my ass theory maybe the guy was bald and the silhouette of a bald head may give the baseline needed to help narrow down who the individual is.

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 SilverMK2 wrote:
If you have nothing to hide, surely you should do your civic duty and assume the position?

I assume it's something like this?


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 Kanluwen wrote:
Do you know how many cops are bald or have shaved heads?


I'm guessing it's fewer than the 34,500 in uniform..

You're the one goin all sherlock holmes over the very suspicious act of dressing as a cop while claiming to be one..

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 Kanluwen wrote:

If someone is concerned enough about retaliation from speaking out, why would they wear their uniform?


Perhaps it was the ensemble that they were given by the producers of the video.

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