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So I'd been waffling between Convergence and Scyrah for a bit now, and settled on Convergence because I think they'll be, overall, easier for me to paint up quickly. Having made that decision, I went to the LGS and picked up the battle box. I was pretty excited. Was excited to build and get some stuff primed at a reasonable time.

Simply put, that didn't happen.

This battlebox is a freaking mess. Here's why:

1. There are WAAAAAAAYYYYY too many pieces included for this thing to be a starter box, and many are lumped together in one package. And there aren't any included instructions. I can't imagine a new player that was a relatively inexperienced modeler coming into this box and having fun with it. I've built plenty of advanced kits, and I don't know if I'd have been able to put these guys together easily without finding a thread on PPs website.

2. There are mould lines EVERYWHERE. Now, I haven't bought a ton of the new PP plastics (most of my stuff is old metal) but the new restic they're using certainly seems harder than my older battle boxes (Cygnar and Trolls). I think this is overall a good thing, but it appears that it has the unfortunate side effect of having more mould lines. They're pretty considerable on the heavy jack but are more manageable on the two lights and Syntherion.

3. The detail is softer than expected. While not the case everywhere, there are definitely pieces where you can barely see the detail on various screws and other parts. Its by no means terrible, but I was hoping for a bit more depth of detail. Hopefully when I prime them the detail won't disappear.

I'm still excited to play with them, but man, I'm not looking forward to having to build more super fiddly models if the rest of the line is going to be like this.

Anyone else pick up a Convergence starter and have similar (or perhaps competely different) feelings?

 
   
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I heard about this from another guy who got into the game and bought cyriss as his first starter box. He was thrown off by how many parts there where. Also you do know that Cyriss is not a full faction... Its not going to get as much support as the rest. Pretty much everything that just came out for them is it for awhile. They will get updates here and there.

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Here. PP made an assembly guide. See if this helps.

http://privateerpress.com/community/privateer-insider/insider-7-15-13

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 SheSpits wrote:
I heard about this from another guy who got into the game and bought cyriss as his first starter box. He was thrown off by how many parts there where. Also you do know that Cyriss is not a full faction... Its not going to get as much support as the rest. Pretty much everything that just came out for them is it for awhile. They will get updates here and there.

That's... kind of wrong. There's plenty left coming out over the course of the next few months (probably until Christmas). It's just that after the contents of the Forces book are finished, there won't be anything for a couple expansions at least.
   
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your right.

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 Laughing Man wrote:
 SheSpits wrote:
I heard about this from another guy who got into the game and bought cyriss as his first starter box. He was thrown off by how many parts there where. Also you do know that Cyriss is not a full faction... Its not going to get as much support as the rest. Pretty much everything that just came out for them is it for awhile. They will get updates here and there.

That's... kind of wrong. There's plenty left coming out over the course of the next few months (probably until Christmas). It's just that after the contents of the Forces book are finished, there won't be anything for a couple expansions at least.


This is kind of wrong, too. They said there may not be as much support for Cyriss as for other factions. They did not say how many, or even if any, books would have no Cyriss stuff. And they did not say if there were Cyriss units, etc if there would be more, less or the same. Though I think it is pretty obvious that the next Warmachine book is very unlikely to have any cyriss stuff. Why would it if they just released a full book including battle engine and colossal? And in additional books they may or may not release as much as they do for other factions.

I expect that if they are selling well and are popular Cyriss will get as much attention as Mercs and Retribution have lately. In some ways they already have more than either mercs or minions. And they are starting off with more than Ret did at the beginning of Mk2. The thing they are lacking the most are characters, but in a tourney format that could be a bonus. But if the faction falls flat then they have an out of why they are not going to make more (or many more) things for an unpopular faction.

IMO, the statement by PP was a C.Y.A. statement in case the faction fails miserably. If it is popular it would be a bad business decision to not support it as much as the other factions.
   
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 Mordekiem wrote:
This is kind of wrong, too. They said there may not be as much support for Cyriss as for other factions. They did not say how many, or even if any, books would have no Cyriss stuff. And they did not say if there were Cyriss units, etc if there would be more, less or the same. Though I think it is pretty obvious that the next Warmachine book is very unlikely to have any cyriss stuff. Why would it if they just released a full book including battle engine and colossal? And in additional books they may or may not release as much as they do for other factions.

Actually, when asked at Lock and Load DC said that Vengeance and the next one will not have any additional Cyriss models in them.
   
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Ah, thanks for the update. I didn't hear that.
   
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That though does not mean they wont get any new models as PP can throw them out in NQ anytime.

As for the battle box the cyriss one is initially the same as the first lot, mold lines galore etc. Khador plastic bb was riddled with them initially but if you get one now a days its no where near as bad.

Initial new PVC boxes seem to have issues but the more they make the better they seem to sort out quality control

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It's PVC, not restic...
   
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I have to say- I've been totally confused by the people complaining that there are 'too many pieces.' Every join has a unique fit, and I've been quite impressed by how well each piece 'goes together' with each other piece. Many of the joins were good enough that they'd arguably not even need glue (not that I'd not glue them, of course).

Now, complaints about the shallow detail and piss-poor mould-lines are very well founded. I've been quite disappointed in the quality of the casts, though I will admit that they survived priming and painting far better than I expected them to. Very little detail was lost, even if I'd much prefer it to be sharper than it was.
   
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As an experienced player/modeler, I defintely needed the assembly guide. I suppose it was because none of the shapes were recognizable (human shaped jacks, human caster, even the bone chickens weren't tough).

I also magnetized the heavy, so that didn't make things real easy....

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I really needed the assembly guide myself, but now that they're assembled I really like them. I'm still a bit disappointed in the shallowness of some of the detail, but I think they'll paint up well.

I'll probably pick up a few pieces at GenCon, depending on what else I buy. Who knows.


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With that being said though I would not encourage an inexperienced modeler to get this box as their first Warmahordes starter.

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My Cygnar box was full of mold line. I also have spots that look like the model was torn off of a spru. If i file it done it still looks bad. Did you have this problem with your Cyriss?

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 Laughing Man wrote:
It's PVC, not restic...



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 SheSpits wrote:
My Cygnar box was full of mold line. I also have spots that look like the model was torn off of a spru. If i file it done it still looks bad. Did you have this problem with your Cyriss?


Yeah, there are a fair amount on the large jack. Gonna take some time to clean up. But like I said they should still paint up nice.

 
   
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I just had this exact same feeling. Walking into my LGS for some new sprue clippers and I see the CoC starter set on the wall. snap purchase that and the faction book. Been a couple hours and I've got the heavy jack together (not magnetized, I figure I'll wait until I have the heavy kit with all the parts) and Syntherion.

Maybe not my best way to have a first experience with PP. The pieces are pretty easy to assemble (although I did resort to the guide) however the casting is...poor. I guess for all people complain about GW their actual models/instructions are really good. Might just be spoiled.

And seriously...Syntherion...those fethin` tool arms! I'm glad he's such an awesome looking caster who works for Convergence, because if it was anyone else that model would not have been assembled and I would have played it without arms.

P.S. I didn't clean the models up that well. I cut and filed the worst of the lines, but I know there will be flaws visible after I paint them. There's just some tiny little lines that run right over fine detail, so cleaning them up would destroy the actual model.


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After action assembly report, in case anybody is curious:

Monitor heavy vector: The legs are designed so they can only be put together one way, that wasn't a problem as long as you know which bits to stick where (PP assembly guide). The worst part was the upper torso/shoulder piece. The head/gun and this piece go together in a really weird non-intuitive way with very little "positive contact" between the shoulders and head (or the rest of the body for that matter). A combination of odd mold quality and me being rusty with modeling (first one i put together) lead to this part going on at kind of a weird angle. Nothing that ruins the model, but it looks like the entire vector is leaning to one side a bit. The arms were a nightmare to put together and required a lot of filing because mold lines and awkward fitment made the parts not want to go together. That said, the way they're deigned allows for a surprisingly large amount of flexibility in posing (took a basic robotics course in college, the joint layout actually makes some degree of sense). As long as you're ok with having a fairly week shoulder joint attachment. Mold lines not particularly bad (compared to the rest of the stuff in the box, still a lot worse than I've ever seen on anything else), but there were a lot of deformities related from the plastic entering the mold, causing big conical protrusions out of various parts. The piece connecting the hips to the torso was particularly bad, it looked like an hourglass before I spent about 10 minutes filing it down.

Syntherion: facepalm... so many little parts to assemble together with no idea where exactly to put each one. I already let you know how i feel about the tool arms so I won't get into that again, but suffice it to say my Syntherion must have accidentally superglued a couple of his manipulators while building his model vector collection, because half the stuff on his left arm is all bunched up together. With all the fiddly little parts having mold lines run over fine detail was a particularly bad problem with this piece, and all the arm tools looked like they were twisted off the sprue rather than actually being severed cleanly.

Light vectors: I'll cover these together because they assembled pretty much identically. These guys actually went together really quick and painlessly. Mold lines weren't especially bad, except there was one part where the mold must not have filled all the way or something, because what looked like it was supposed to be a pretty intricate panel on one of their heads looked like a lump of putty. Also the lower "hip" had the same mold fill mark problem as the heavy vector did. Lastly the upper and lower torso pieces didn't go together especially well. I didn't notice until I had already glued it, but they weren't flat, so my vector's torsos are tilted upwards. This is actually a good thing, because it looks like my galvinisor's saw ended up at exactly the height of a heavy jack's head.

Overall verdicts: assembly was pretty nice overall with both high and low points. Making the heavy vector's legs shape coded so they only fit one way was really nicely done, and all the attachment points for the fiddly arm bits on the light vectors was nice. Syntherion was really the low point...did those little pieces connecting the arms to the shoulders really have to be non-reversible? I couldn't even tell them apart since they looked more like a ball of mold lines than anything else. Also the overall model aesthetic was top notch. That said, if this was any representation of PP's average piece quality then I might not be buying much more from them.

I'm willing to chalk this one up to this being a new release so the molds haven't broken in yet. Assuming the mold line problem gets better then the only complaint I'll have is that syntherion is fiddly as hell to assemble.

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I've heard mixed things about the battle box, so I stuck to clam shells for my initial purchases and so have a unit of clockwork angels and Aurora to assemble.

Aurora: Beautiful cast, absolutely terrifying as I contemplate putting it together. There are pieces that I can only guess as to where they belong, and the connecting points are tiny. Mold lines are quite nice, a fine cast, but in dire need of some form of instructions.

Clockwork Angels: Tiny and delicate, but other then the wings (which have a very small connection point), much easier looking to put together. In fact, as I've just been diddling around for the last hour of so I put the leader together almost completely, and started one grunt.

It's very interesting once you get them together, as their proportions are very inhuman: the angels are just all long, lean lines and blades. Very stylish!

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I just spent over 4 hours deflashing and assembling Aurora. I am hard pressed to remember another model that gave me as many problems as this one did.

Did anyone else have to carve out the feathers on her wings? Mine were a giant piece of flash with all the gaps filled in.

I would certainly recommend that anyone starting with this faction be very patient and willing to learn new things.
   
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The CoC box set was the starting point for a huge threat on the Privateer forums about the quality of PP plastics. They're just not in the same place as Wyrd or GW, though their metals and resins are perfectly respectable.

The same things were reported across most every kit -- excessive mold lines (often over detail), softness and lack of crispness in the detail, and divots/gouges/gashes in areas where they were precut from their sprues prior to packaging. Some of the most complaints came about the CoC starter box and the Menoth Heavy Warjack kit.

Reading through this thread doesn't surprise me at all. Privateer, at least, acknowledged it and trying to do things to improve their plastic casting.

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Glad I read this. Was thinking of picking the starter up. Don't need restic mould lines on my WarMachine stuff.
   
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privateer4hire wrote:
Glad I read this. Was thinking of picking the starter up. Don't need restic mould lines on my WarMachine stuff.


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I think it's a good thing that the CoC aren't getting any new stuff in Vengeance. From first glance, the army looks really powerful.

From the first look I got from the book, I liked the style of the army right away.

Some of the models, I thought were not great... Until I drew a comparison to the Mirrodin Plane in MTG and it's many Constructs.

They've started to grow on me.

Thanks for the update though on how difficult the Starter Box is to build.

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I've just built the Battlegroup and while I was very lucky to have very little mold lines, I had an insane amount of miscasting on Syntherion. One arm was missing the tool on the end, but the left over part ended up looking like a surgical flash light, so I was ok with that.

The legs on the Light Vectors were slightly askew, but nothing that standing a foot on a rock couldn't fix.

I think I was just very lucky.

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I've heard some of the later casts have been better. Perhaps they were more able to take their time?

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It's kind of sad, but when I read that my interpretation of "Be tough to hide from the Mrs." was "an Iron Mother list with 2 Prime Axioms would be an effective assassination list." I think I need to spend some time not thinking about miniature games for a while.

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If only PP could be bothered to remove the mould lines themselves....

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What an odd thing to say, I'm not aware of any non-finished product where the mold lines are a top priority to remove. To decrease due to production techniques, sure, but to remove?

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 Mahtamori wrote:
What an odd thing to say, I'm not aware of any non-finished product where the mold lines are a top priority to remove. To decrease due to production techniques, sure, but to remove?


Don't feed the troll.


Side note, my Prime Axiom is pretty much clear of mold lines. Only a few easy to clean ones. The last plastic light jack I picked up (diffuser? I dunno, they all look like the scout bots from Empire Strikes back) had much less issues with mold lines. Sign of improvement perhaps?

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It's kind of sad, but when I read that my interpretation of "Be tough to hide from the Mrs." was "an Iron Mother list with 2 Prime Axioms would be an effective assassination list." I think I need to spend some time not thinking about miniature games for a while.

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My Axiom had ZERO mold lines. The Diffusers were just as bad as the Starter box though.

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