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http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/10/december-release-warhammer-fantasy.html

an anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:
December Release for Warhammer Fantasy
*Sigmar's Blood is a Fantasy supplement where you can recreate story of Volkmar's invasion of Sylvania
*Each battle contains rules that carry through to the next battle.
*The supplement comes with historical background and large hobby section

Salty.

I'm impressed with the rates they've been hammering out books left, right and centre this year! I do enjoy hearing about fantasy rumours, no matter how far fetched so thanks for this

Big fan of Vampire Counts too so this could be fun.

What are the requirements for this supplement?
Advanced active and passive knowledge of English language?
A mobile computer?
A car and a swimming pool?
A UK passport and a criminal record certificate?
I lost track of the ever rising requirements to buy GW products

BTW, using the official quote tags helps to understand where quotes start and end.
And it is not VIA an anonymous sourse, but BY an anonymous source. No need to copy every mistake by natfka.

Ahhh how quickly do the men of the Empire forget the aid the Lord of Sylvania gave at the siege of Middenheim

 Kroothawk wrote:
What are the requirements for this supplement?
Advanced active and passive knowledge of English language?
A mobile computer?
A car and a swimming pool?
A UK passport and a criminal record certificate?
I lost track of the ever rising requirements to buy GW products

BTW, using the official quote tags helps to understand where quotes start and end.
And it is not VIA an anonymous sourse, but BY an anonymous source. No need to copy every mistake by natfka.

I have to disagree with your English language grammar nit-picking here, Kroothawk. The quoted text is a sentence fragment, which is technically agrammatical on its own, but something that people frequently do in speech, as well as for expedience on the internet. Consequently we don't know what the hypothetical begining of this sentence was supposed to be. However, there are two possibilities that would make either "via" or "by" correct:

[These rumors were posted] BY an anonymous source on Faeit 212.

-or-

[These rumors come to us] VIA via an anonymous source on Faeit 212.

So your identification of this as a "mistake" assumes that ONLY the first is possible. The second is equally reasonable though. There's "No need to attack" everything that Petre posts.

Moreover, your increasingly exaggerated and hysterical attacks on GW for not translating everything into English are getting gratingly repetitive. The rate at which GW is releasing these digital supplements make me think that they are doing so because they can produce them on the cheap, at a rate that would be unrealistic for printed matter. If that's the case then the English-only aspect is, more likely than not, simply a cost-saving measure.

 catharsix wrote:
The rate at which GW is releasing these digital supplements make me think that they are doing so because they can produce them on the cheap, at a rate that would be unrealistic for printed matter. If that's the case then the English-only aspect is, more likely than not, simply a cost-saving measure.

So you wouldn't mind all future Codices to be exclusively in German or Chinese to save costs?

 Kroothawk wrote:

 catharsix wrote:
The rate at which GW is releasing these digital supplements make me think that they are doing so because they can produce them on the cheap, at a rate that would be unrealistic for printed matter. If that's the case then the English-only aspect is, more likely than not, simply a cost-saving measure.

So you wouldn't mind all future Codices to be exclusively in German or Chinese to save costs?

if GW were a German or a Chinese company, that question would make sense...
unfortunately, they are an English company, with the majority of their customers being English speaking...
i'm sure there are plenty of German and Chinese products that are not translated to English...

cheers
jah

 Kroothawk wrote:
So you wouldn't mind all future Codices to be exclusively in German or Chinese to save costs?

Ridiculous, but if its gotta be German or Chinese, I pick German, just so you stop trolling every rumor thread about GW.

 pretre wrote:
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
December Release for Warhammer Fantasy
*Sigmar's Blood is a Fantasy supplement where you can recreate story of Volkmar's invasion of Sylvania
*Each battle contains rules that carry through to the next battle.
*The supplement comes with historical background and large hobby section

OMG! Not again? Another WD article turned into...

No. I'm kidding. Campaign books are cool. They should do more of 'em.

If anything it will be a digital thingy like the other few that have been done, they are pretty cool IMO.

Do you really not see the issue with GW cutting out a portion of its player base like this or are you simply saying 'this doesn't effect me so stop talking about it'?

 jonolikespie wrote:

Spoiler:

NELS1031 wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
So you wouldn't mind all future Codices to be exclusively in German or Chinese to save costs?

Ridiculous, but if its gotta be German or Chinese, I pick German, just so you stop trolling every rumor thread about GW.

jah-joshua wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

 catharsix wrote:
The rate at which GW is releasing these digital supplements make me think that they are doing so because they can produce them on the cheap, at a rate that would be unrealistic for printed matter. If that's the case then the English-only aspect is, more likely than not, simply a cost-saving measure.

So you wouldn't mind all future Codices to be exclusively in German or Chinese to save costs?

if GW were a German or a Chinese company, that question would make sense...
unfortunately, they are an English company, with the majority of their customers being English speaking...
i'm sure there are plenty of German and Chinese products that are not translated to English...

cheers
jah

Do you really not see the issue with GW cutting out a portion of its player base like this or are you simply saying 'this doesn't effect me so stop talking about it'?

i see the issue, but i also understand the business choice...
England, Ireland, Scotland, Canada, America, Australia, and New Zealand, are all English speaking countries, which put together make up a good percentage of the customer base...
Germany is one small part of Europe, surrounded by three other different languages in major markets, French, Italian, and Spanish...
if they are going to go for one, they have to go for all of those translations...
that is pretty damn expensive, especially for supplements that are not being printed in huge numbers...

now, if Kroot, and many of his compatriots, couldn't read English, his argument would be stronger...
i know from experience, that many of the Dutch gamers prefer the rules in English to a poor translation...
while my years in Europe showed me that the Dutch speak more English than the rest of Europe, it seemed like the Germans were a close second...
much more so than France, Spain, Belgium, or Italy...

i understand Kroot's gripe, but i wonder if he wouldn't be even more unhappy if he had to pay an extra $10 in Germany for the translated version, because you know they would charge more...

i'm just saying that English only doesn't seem like the worst choice i've seen from GW! and actually makes business sense for these small run supplements...

cheers
jah

The problem is however that even though kroot can speak English you can't assume all German gamers can and there will be some who are now unable to have access to an increasing large portion of GWs rules.

The argument that it is a good business decision is irrelevant, there will be people out there who have invested a lot of time and money into GW games and are now being told to get lost.

i'm not assuming anything, just sharing my experience from five years of living in Europe...
as i said, i understand why people would be angry...

i felt that the question of being happy to find GW, an English company, is printing it's products only in German or Chinese only was pure hyperbole...
that is all...

can we be done with this off-topic debate now???

cheers
jah

If done well, this is actually something I could see myself buying: I always loved campaign sets for Fantasy. Just hope it's less like Bllod in the Badlands and more like Idol of Gork.

 pretre wrote:
large hobby section

Ugh. So It's another 96 page book with 12 pages of rules that have probably been in a WD before and 84 pages of photos of mini's.

Well, photos are cheap. That's why we get a lot of them. And maybe they'll just use webstore photos like with the Sist.. err Adepta Sororitas codex.

It does give them pretty effortless book padding. I just don't get the point of 'hobby' sections in rules and campaign books; you'll look at them once and then just wish the book was smaller. Maybe I'm an old grognard but I'd rather my rules were just that, rules.

Herzlos wrote:
It does give them pretty effortless book padding. I just don't get the point of 'hobby' sections in rules and campaign books; you'll look at them once and then just wish the book was smaller. Maybe I'm an old grognard but I'd rather my rules were just that, rules.

You may be an old grognard, but I know I'm an old grognard. I don't mind my rules and hobby sections being mixed together, as it seems it was ever thus.

What really gets my goat is the increasingly feverish pace of constant campaign books and rules supplements. I used to be the guy who had all the rules, and all the novels (and had actually read them). Buying a WD, a rulebook, and a couple novels each month (or so) would allow you to be aware of all the rules and all the developments (or lack of development) in the fluff. There were a lot of people out there who were reasonably conversant with everything Warhammer at some level.


Now, not only are the books markedly more expensive, there's extensive supplements, electronic supplements, limited edition books, masses of uncollected single short stories, blah, blah, blah.


It makes me upset for two reasons.

First, I think they are hitting the point of too little jam being spread over too much bread. Just like Star Wars and Star Trek, GW is putting out so much stuff that it is having to use increasing amounts of filler to stretch out the actually good content. That has very bad long term consequences. Star Trek novels used to be fairly good sellers, quite a few years ago, when there weren't gobs of them published each month. Then, their quality to quantity ratio got really, really bad, and Star Trek novels have almost vanished from bookstores. At one point, the shop I was working at had shelves of Star Trek novels, and we kept a lot of the more popular ones in stock for months or years. Now, they are Harlequin romance novels for nerds, except we get in one title each month, rather than thirty. We have maybe 5 on the shelf, total, and while that level is anecdotal, there simply aren't other Trek novels being published.

Second, if you really do feel the need to publish a ton of different rule books (etc.), why insist on selling so few of them? By putting this stuff out there at a relatively higher price, you are ensuring that only your more ardent fans pick it up. For the most part, only dedicated Imperial Fists players will pick up a supplement on the Imperial Fist 3rd company at the price you are charging, for example. If GW released supplements at a lower price, even if those supplements were smaller (or with lower production values, like softcover over hardcover, etc.) a higher portion of their fanbase might buy them. Heck, if you put supplements in White Dwarf, people might even buy that! If these rules expansions were less expensive, I think many more people would be inclined to grab them on a lark, and you would have the chance of snagging more new blood.

It's like GW read the business advice about the 'Long Tail' economy (selling more options, each to fewer customers) and thought that if the Long Tail was a good idea, then the longer the better! Let's sell the fewest number of books to each customer, but charge so much for them that we make more money! No one will ever notice! Especially with digital, GW production costs and inventory costs have dropped (but it still costs money to create a book). Instead of leveraging that drop in cost to broaden your market, or even maintain your market against competition, GW decided, "Hey! Higher profit margin per item! Let's maximize that! Doesn't matter how many we sell, if we make enough per book!".

I know this sounds like a price rant, but it isn't, at least not directly. I'm not opposed to GW's higher prices, but I'm opposed to higher prices combined with rules across more products. The company is already a niche market, and now they are fragmenting themselves even finer. Sure, the supplements are 'new ways' to play Warhammer (or new variations of armies to play in that game), but if GW doesn't maintain a 'shared experience' with Warhammer (where all, or most, of the players, try out the 'new ways' to play), then they are basically just creating a bunch of different games--and once you have that, players might as well go and play something non-GW. One of the strengths of Warhammer has been its ubiquity. You had a hobby that you could pick up and play in most places. Now, if you don't spill out the cash (or if you don't read English), an increasing number of the Warhammer options are off the table for you.

I definitely agree with the supplement/WD thing; I'd buy WD regularly for gaming supplements, but the odds of me buying a £30 hard back book with a dozen pages of rules content is minimal unless it was something I was seriously into (since I can get the core rules for almost any other game for that).

I think the filler annoys me more than the 'hobby' stuff, but I've started to view the 'hobby' stuff largely as filler as even if it's useful it's largely detached from the game itself. I'd rather buy a 12 page booklet for an appropriate price than a 96 page booklet that's mostly filler.

It's definitely self defeating though; these expansions/campaigns are quickly getting a reputation of being a waste of time, so people will stop even looking at them soon. It took my local ages to sell out of Death From The Skies, for instance, assuming it sold out and they didn't just send the unsold copies back.

 catharsix wrote:
There's "No need to attack" everything that Petre posts.

Moreover, your increasingly exaggerated and hysterical attacks on GW for not translating everything into English are getting gratingly repetitive. The rate at which GW is releasing these digital supplements make me think that they are doing so because they can produce them on the cheap, at a rate that would be unrealistic for printed matter. If that's the case then the English-only aspect is, more likely than not, simply a cost-saving measure.

Appreciate the defense, but just hit the yellow triangle if you think he's being inappropriate.

I fixed the quote in the first post.

Da Butcha wrote:
Second, if you really do feel the need to publish a ton of different rule books (etc.), why insist on selling so few of them? By putting this stuff out there at a relatively higher price, you are ensuring that only your more ardent fans pick it up.

I think, GW higher management accepted the fact that they are losing customers exponentially. And that they don't want to do anything against it (like advertising or standard marketing, crazy things like that). And to keep revenue flat they try to milk the few remaining customers exponentially.

Um...as much as I want this to be true....and I think Natfka is a nice guy....why are we even discussing his "rumors"? The guy has less than a 37% accuracy rating. I could just guess, based on 20+ years in the hobby, and have as much success.

Here's an example: In the next IG Codex, there will not be a lot of changes. Some of the HQ models will go to Finecast. There may be some new plastic models. Prices will change. Orders will get changed up a bit. Sorry, but I cannot reveal my source.

Look! I'm a RUMOR MONGER NOW!!!

I find this of topic about language interesting.
Funny thing is my first reaction was i cant say its ok to have just the english version because thats my language, then I realise its not my first language, I just take it for granted because there never was a swedish translation of anything GW poduced.
If anything, reading gw rules gave me som great traning in a more advanced use of the english language than the english speaking tv shows of my youth.

Seems this rumour is true:
Sigmar's Blood, 41 US$, release 7th December:

Edit; nevermind.


GW seems to be pumping out a bunch of stuff lately.


Though i wonder how, if Sigmar's BLood really is a campaign book that logically will mostly only apply to two armies, how they'll incorporate players from other armies.

I mean, i'm sure they'll do it, but will it be a ham handed method, or something actually clever.

Though the army books have been getting better and better, i think the fantasy supplements have been flat. Storm of magic was a cute idea, but in practice meh. Treachery again seems to be a neat surface idea (making multi player games of fantasy more than one person getting dick punched repeatedly), but i'm not sold on the execution.

Firmly in wait and see mode for SB.

Campaign book, heh? Makes sense with the hard cover novel released same month, then.

I just hope they won't use the same garbage as Triumph and Treason with the infamous "army lists with pseudo-background description while using the official pictures of GW models". Cheap trick to add useless pages and then say "look at how many pages that book has for the price!".

For GW case..... a picture is worth a thousand words....But we all know that is not the case

an anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:Sigmar's Blood is a Fantasy supplement where you can recreate story of Volkmar's invasion of Sylvania

Wait, can this be a pimped up reprint of the "Storm of Chaos" campaign book (25$ originally)?
As it is a campaign book about the very same incident, just much more expensive:
http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Volkmar_the_Grim

 Pouncey wrote:
In Fantasy, Sigmar's Blood is a narrative campaign supplement book. Contains rules, hobby stuff, historical info, scenarios, and "examples of painted Citadel figures". The point is apparently to get a few players to get together and recreate the armies and battles described in the book. Apparently there's a scenario for every major battle described in the book. A variety of heroes and villains are described, and apparently there are ongoing effects from one battle to the next, and the outcome of a battle can affect other battles to come.

64 pages, 33 € (that's about 0.50 € per page)
Large pic in spoilers: