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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/08 16:06:33
Subject: Declaring Infiltrating Units
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Been Around the Block
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When do you declare that a unit is infiltrating? I know you are required to declare if any units are being put into reserves, outflanking and deep striking for example, but since infiltrating units are not placed into reserve are you even required to inform your opponent of this? and if so, when?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/08 16:09:23
Subject: Declaring Infiltrating Units
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The Hive Mind
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Infiltrating units must infiltrate - there's no option.
Therefore a unit with Infiltrate must not be deployed with your normal forces.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/08 16:11:18
Subject: Declaring Infiltrating Units
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Been Around the Block
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Well I guess an example would have been pertinent for this. Lets say you have a unit that can Infiltrate and Scout or outflank. When would you declare which action is being taken? Obviously they would not be on the table to make a scout move, so either they are in reserve for out flanking or are going to be infiltrating onto the battlefield.
Hindsight senses tingling - I guess if the person does not declare the unit is being held in reserve to outflank they are left with the only option of infiltrating. I had a discussion with an a friend who said he was able to decide after both sides deployed but before making his infiltrating move to declare if he wanted to outflank or infiltrate. I suppose that would have been a no no since it was not declared during his deployment.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/08 16:39:20
Subject: Declaring Infiltrating Units
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Leader of the Sept
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Scout moves happen after all deployment, including infiltrating.
For a unit with the infiltrate special rules, you would declare them going into reserves instead of putting them on the table during the infiltration deployment segment. You then declare which version of reserves they are using, outflank, deep strike, etc. So I think you can still wait until the Infiltration bit to declare if they are on the board or coming in from reserves.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/08 17:11:23
Subject: Declaring Infiltrating Units
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Been Around the Block
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Well all units kept in reserve are declared during the players deployment per pg124 of the rule book. The problem is that infiltrating units are not considered as being placed in reserve. The only thing I keep coming back to is that if the units is not declared as being placed in reserve (for the purposes of outflanking) then they must be placed on the board during normal deployment (not in reserve) or after using the infiltrating special rules. Again, infiltrating does not seem like something you must declare but by not declaring that you are placing them in reserve really limits your options... =P
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/08 17:24:46
Subject: Declaring Infiltrating Units
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Leader of the Sept
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The infiltration portion of the deployment phase is still part of the players deployment phase, though. When it gets to the point at which you deploy the unit, you choose whether to put it on the board or into reserve, like any of your other units.
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Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/08 17:26:40
Subject: Declaring Infiltrating Units
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Fixture of Dakka
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There is some issues with Infiltration. The rule itself is worded in such a way that no choice in the matter is given, if a model has this special rule it must use it. The rules for how models with infiltration go about deploying is worded in such a way to give this choice. This creates a rule over-lap which can lead to different interpretations as to when a unit with infiltration can be deployed as a choice would grant you the ability to deploy with the rest of the army as well. Probably not relevant, but it is just something interesting within the way the rules have been penned, and you can take from it what you want. Personally; I would declare which units are infiltrating for nothing more then common courtesy to my opponent. I feel the rules themselves do not require this action, probably because you are not meant to have a true choice in the matter and must infiltrate anyway, but that it is little courtesies that keep the game friendly. They are going to know the unit is infiltrating pretty quickly when you do not declare these units are going into reserves but fail to deploy them during the standard deployment phase, if they are paying the game even the slightest attention.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/08 17:36:12
Subject: Declaring Infiltrating Units
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Been Around the Block
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Hmm, I can see where you are coming from. It seems a bit out of sequence though, Pg124 is written in such a way that it seems those things must be declared and defined whilst the player is deploying his forces (even if he is deploying second.) Plus on pg121 which defines when scout moves and infiltrators occur, it states this is done after both players have deployed. How do you declare something is changing for deployment purposes after you are done deploying?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/08 17:41:59
Subject: Declaring Infiltrating Units
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Never Forget Isstvan!
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If you do not declare your scouts as going into reserve, you delpoy them last, as per infiltration rules. Then everyone make take scout redeploy's.
Very simple.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/08 17:49:12
Subject: Declaring Infiltrating Units
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Been Around the Block
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Yeah, it doesn't seem like the intention is to be able to suddenly throw a unit into reserve after seeing a weakness in someones deployment. After all, that can have a major impact on someones deployment if they happen to be going second.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/08 18:01:48
Subject: Declaring Infiltrating Units
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation
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No you cant put them back in reserve after deploying them but they can make their scout redeployment Move / Infiltrator moves as per the rules.
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