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TSHFT presents: Valentines day massacre

Who
All the armies of the 40k universe
What
A five round, 1750 point tournament, and painting contest.
Where
Card Kingdom, 5105 Leary Ave NW Seattle, WA 98107
When
February 15th and 16th, War on valentines
Saturday last chance sign up at 10:30, rolling dice soon after. Expect the day to wrap up around 7:30-8pm
Sunday dice start rolling at 10:30. Expect the day to wrap up around 6:30pm
Why
To have a great tournament experience locally in Seattle.

Scoring:
Same as TSHFT
http://www.tshftopen.com/uploads/Warhammer_40k_Rules.pdf
This will only be a singles tournament, so ignore the section on team tourney please.
Peer scoring
This is a game. The dice may go against you, your opponent may know the weakness to your army. Continuing to have fun and be an enjoyable person to play against is of the utmost importance. Points similar to TSHFT. Peer scores on painting as well.
Painting competition:
Painting will not be a deciding factor in winning grand champion or tactical genius. There will be a separate set of prizes for those with the best paint job and most heavily converted army.

TSHFT FAQ
http://bloghammer.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/FAQ.pdf

Cost:
Ten dollars/$10/A decade of bucks. This includes the painting competition and will go into the various prizes. There are only thirty spaces available currently. If I get enough interest past thirty I will get more tables and do my best to accommodate.

Prizes:
What you've all been waiting for.
The grand champion: The individual who has accumulated the most points total across all the ranks. Wins a TSHFT invitational ticket.
Master tactician: The individual that garnished the most secondary/tertiary objectives or scenario points during the event.
Artistic genius: The individual with the highest painting and conversion score.
Favorite Opponent: The individual that was voted the most liked during the tournament.
Love of the Game: The individual that was voted best army based solely on army compositions.


Please contact me to reserve a space or for further info.

18/30 spots reserved.

If it wasn't getting over so late on sunday I would be down.

Sounds like a good tournament!

@happy grunt.

As a consideration, that is my expected time for how long it takes to be totally wrapped up. I've noticed it takes about two hours to calculate all the scores, get prizes awarded, and be all cleaned up for the general group. I'm also figuring it off of the tournaments that I've been too which are closer to 40-70 players. Especially those that are traveling long distances for TSHFT, or have a pregnant wife urging them to get home. Last games often finish around 3:30 or so.


Some considerations for those who are interested in attending. I've been discussing with Zen about the potential of using this as an experimental tournament to include both escalation and stronghold assault, as well as the dataslates and formations recently released. I would be interested in what you guys would have to say. In general with TSHFT I have not seen abuse of super lists, those who generally win have been good generals more then list builders with unfair advantages.

If the consensus is to include the expansions in the tournament, the points adjustments to rankings would be held out until the conclusion of the tournament to see if there was an unfair advantage gained or throwing off of the balance. Also winner of the tournament would understand that the TSHFT invitational ticket would be for a tournament that still does not include the expansions and formations etc... If it is discovered that there is no overwhelming effect, points would be added in and rankings updated for those who have played in TSHFT before. I look forward to hearing what the opinion is out there.

Thanks all,

I hope I can do this, I'll know closer to the date. Sounds fun!

 seapheonix wrote:
@happy grunt.

As a consideration, that is my expected time for how long it takes to be totally wrapped up. I've noticed it takes about two hours to calculate all the scores, get prizes awarded, and be all cleaned up for the general group. I'm also figuring it off of the tournaments that I've been too which are closer to 40-70 players. Especially those that are traveling long distances for TSHFT, or have a pregnant wife urging them to get home. Last games often finish around 3:30 or so.


Some considerations for those who are interested in attending. I've been discussing with Zen about the potential of using this as an experimental tournament to include both escalation and stronghold assault, as well as the dataslates and formations recently released. I would be interested in what you guys would have to say. In general with TSHFT I have not seen abuse of super lists, those who generally win have been good generals more then list builders with unfair advantages.

If the consensus is to include the expansions in the tournament, the points adjustments to rankings would be held out until the conclusion of the tournament to see if there was an unfair advantage gained or throwing off of the balance. Also winner of the tournament would understand that the TSHFT invitational ticket would be for a tournament that still does not include the expansions and formations etc... If it is discovered that there is no overwhelming effect, points would be added in and rankings updated for those who have played in TSHFT before. I look forward to hearing what the opinion is out there.

Thanks all,

This issue is that I live and go to school in Ellensburg. I have PT early on monday morning and would have to make it back to Ellensburg that night.

I will also be spending Friday in Olympia, and I do not know how long that will be going.

I would say allow Escalation and Stronghold assault but ban D weapons and the massive fortifications. But that is my $0.02.

If the tournament ganes were to get over at ~3:30pm, I might be able to attend. How quick do you think slots will fill up?

TSHFT emerald city slaughter is on the 17-19th of January, and this tourney will be advertised there, so I expect a lot of spot to fill up then. However I will keep a running total here on the forum so everyone is aware of how many spots are left.

Can you give more details on the painting contest portion? Is it a submitted unit, or the overall army?

It's the over all army, if you follow the link to the TSHFT scoring breakdown, it will show you exactly how the points and everything will break down. Or I could just copy and paste it here I suppose.

Paint Points (PP) [50 max]

This reflects the player's dedication to the hobby in the field of painting,
converting, and/or crafting. There are a total of 50 PP scored for each player.
A more detailed PP break down is as follows:

40 PP scored by the TO or paint judges:

Completion 30 % 70% 100% SP PP
Scenic Basing/WH Weathering 2 2 2 2 2
Cohesive Scheme 2 2 2 2 2
Conversions 2 2 2 2 2
Technique 2 2 2 2 2

Scenic Basing / VH Weathering
2 points awarded for each level % of completion for the player's army which
are scenic based (or weathered if for vehicles).
Special: 2 points for painted objective/narrative display. 2 more points
awarded for well presented display board (not just a folding tray, please)
Cohesive Scheme
2 points awarded for each level % of completion for the player's army which
are painted with at least 3 colors and shares a coherent scheme.
Special: 2 points for painted decal/markings. 2 more points awarded for extra
themed doodads.

Conversion
2 points awarded for each level % of completion for the player's army which
are converted beyond simple weapon swapping.
Special: 2 points for each large scale or complex model that is converted.

Technique
2 points awarded for each level % of completion for the player's army which
had displayed advanced painting techniques.
Special: 2 points for each of the advanced painting technique displayed over
majority of the army (NMM, lightning, blending, extreme details, well executed
freehand works, etc.).

10 PP scored by fellow participants:

Each player is supposed to mark on his own scoresheet whether he is
"Wow"ed by his opponent's army as far as painting and modeling are
concerned. Each "Wow" scored counts as 2 PP for the player.

Slots filled to one third of the planned number woo hoo.

I will let everyone know in a post after the TSHFT tourney next week if we are going to try escalation/stronghold assault expansions. Cheers.

Where would one sign up for this?

Simply send me a private message and I'll ad you to my list.

Alright. Ruling on escalation and stronghold. I wrestled with this a bit over the weekend, trying to imagine D weapons in the games I was playing and at the same time get opinions from opponents. I found that most players felt confident in their lists ability to handle a single super heavy. Some with the exception of the eldar revenant Titan. My first thought was to exclude the revenant and the av 15 buildings, but I don't really agree with selective banning. So I considered changing the stats of D weapons, but then would you have to adjust the points? Would that still create the strong counter to 2++ re-roll? Having just felt the frustration of playing daemon flying circus I had a very recent impression of the frustration of being able to do nothing. My next thought was to limit the points allowed for lords of war, but again I felt I was selectively counting points to limit specific units. In a different post I have argued that D weapons and he new supplements simply changes the meta once more, and possibly to the better.

It feels like quite a decision with no data from another tournament allowing everything as fair play, but I hope to find success in showing that while strong, perhaps the sky will not fall after all.

Escation, stronghold assault, Internet codices, data fax sheets, formations, and the unique characters will all be allowed. So bring out your thunder hawk gunships, your macro cannons, and your cyphers with tau fire cadre support teams. Lets have a great tournament.

Understanding again that the grand prize of tshft invitational will not include any of these experimental allowances. Also inclusion of adjusted points scores in the tshft rankings will wait to see if they are terribly unbalanced.

I was very interested in this when I saw the flier passed out at TSHFT, but I doubt I'll attend due to the inclusion of Escalation and Stronghold rules. I'll keep an eye on the results to see what the overall effect is though.

Also, I think I played against you in the second round at TSHFT. You forgot my Daemon Prince had a Balesword.

I am on the fence due to work but really tempted to bring out the big toys. Forge world lords of war not in the escalation book allowed?

Personally, I would have no issue with you banning D-Weapons, but I can see why that would pose an issue.

-With Projected Void Shields, if you place a blast so that it hits five models inside the Shield, does that cause five hits on the Shield or one?

-Can you take cover or invulnerable saves for a Void Shield? Does it matter whether these saves come from terrain, wargear, abilities or psychic powers?

-Does Tank Hunter function against a non-vehicle unit benefiting from a Projected Void Shield?

Internet codices, was supposed to be downloadable codices. Like the Inquisitor codex, there was a tournament or two I saw that was limiting that.
Formations: Yes as in fire support cadre or the space marine flyer trio.
I've had a good mixed bag of support and consternation over allowing everything, but I thought I would give it a whirl for the above stated reasons. I'll admit I'm interested in seeing what comes of it.

Void shield generator questions:
As to the void shields, I appreciate you bringing it up. First for a question not asked.
Size of the void shield generator: Since there is no official model for them, I would like people to target the size of the lower level of the bastion. First floor section. For those with non-imperial armies, if you want to create a nice centerpiece model out of a void shield generator, simply stick to the same basic area of table occupied, and it will be accepted.

I would consider the projected field to be similar to a very large building. So all of my thoughts and rulings are stemming from that.

Projected field vs blasts: Whatever shell or impact hitting the field would be striking a single blow. The blast contacting the wall itself, similar I imagine to a unit inside a bastion. Even though the blast covers those within the bastion, you still have to make it through the walls.. If there are models outside of the void shield, they do not receive this protection, and it would be those number of hits, plus the one for striking the shield.

Invul saves and cover saves for the shield: Once again, you cannot give a building cover or an invulnerable save, therefore no cover for what is already a protective shell.

Tank hunters versus Projected field: Continuing to see the shield as a very large building, buildings are treated similar to transports and thus are effected by tank hunters. I imagine that a unit that is good at finding the weak points in tanks, or buildings, they would also excel at the proper way to attack a power field.

Are forgeworld lords of war not in the escalation book allowed: Units in the updated imperial armor 2013, or escalation will be allowed. You must provide your opponent with a copy of those rules and any weapon rules before hand.

Mainly, I want to bring anggarth. He has been listed as a lord of war on the forgeworld site. So Anggarth yes or no?

He is in the updated imperial armor, so yes, please make sure you have a current copy of the rules.

Yep got the rules. Last weekend at tshft I was playing out of 5 different rule sources.

More questions asked:

If you hadn't seen, a short time back one of the GW guys had made a posting about the general size of the Void Shield Generator, saying that it should be roughly the same size as the Vengeance Weapon Batteries, which feels about right to me. Not to infringe upon your decision as the one organizing things, but a Bastion is a rather large piece of terrain.

I had not seen that about the size of the generator. I think that just about matches what I was looking for. About 5 1/2" a side and 2 1/2" to 3" inches tall.

I will point out that, with respect to buildings, this is not actually correct- buildings can have saves in the same way any other model can, although their larger size obvious makes gaining a cover save somewhat difficult. Of course, most special rules granting cover won't apply to a building, as they only work on units from their own codex, but some powers and wargear (Forewarning, Power Field Generator) can do so.

I haven't seen anything previous to this that allows buildings to gain invulnerable or cover saves from a psychic power or ability. In fact in the TSHFT FAQ it is specifically spelled out that power fields and such do not have any effect on buildings. I will be following the TSHFT FAQ for everything that does not extend into the bounds of stronghold and escalation where there is no data.

A couple of other questions. How does difficult terrain affect superheavy walkers and garganuan creatures, if at all? Also, can abilities that require LOS but are not shooting attacks (such as Coteaz's "I've Been Expecting You" or Anrakyr's "Mind in the Machine") be used from inside a transport vehicle, presuming it has fire points?

As to super heavy walkers and gargantuan creatures. It states in the escalation book that they both have move through cover.

Fire points question
I'm going to have another search through all the FAQs on the GW site, and in the stronghold book, but I believe they said much like psychic powers or overwatch, they will work from the fire point of a building or vehicle.

I would suggest to everyone that you take a look at escalation, stronghold assault and the current FAQs for both TSHFT and GW, to get as much of a heads up on what might be ahead of you.

TSHFT FAQ for convenience. http://bloghammer.ne...2013/09/FAQ.pdf

Only a dozen spots left for those interested in playing. Let me know if you want to join in.

So, if I am reading all this right, FW armies are allowed?

Correct, Forge world army lists will be allowed for this tournament. I'm trying to give all the options out there some play.

I've been play testing against the feared revenant titan and will be posting battle reports as time allows for people to get an idea of escalation and strong holds effect on the game.

As we close in on the end of this week, I would greatly appreciate it if people would send along a copy of their planned army lists. Doesn't need to be hard and fast, little tweaks are totally fine as you focus in for the tourney. It just helps me get a little bit ahead of the game on saturday so that everyone can walk in, set down their armies and start rolling dice.

For those in the local area, I work directly across the water from card kingdom and would be happy on any given day to meet up after work and get a practice game in for the tourney. I can bring nids, eldar including super heavies and any proxy army you would like a chance to play against, just hit me up.

Tournament is next weekend! Very excited for everyone to come out. There are still a half a dozen spots available.
Most important details I need when you private message me is:
Your name, (so I can enter it in my excell program ahead of time and have the first round paired when you get there.)
A rough draft of your list: Doesn't need to be the finished copy for the tourney, I'm just looking to have a rough idea of what you are bringing to save me some time in keeping my notes, also so I can look up the rules to various titans, ork tanks, c'tan or whatever is being brought so I'm confident in my rulings.

Minor reminders:
Please bring enough copies of your list for everyone you are playing. I'll have a pad of paper for those who forget so you can write them out long hand.
Please bring any attendant updated rules for your models, the translation from structure points to hull points is not always linear, make sure you have the current ones.
I will have a set of template and apocalyptic templates on hand if you do not own any.
I will do my best to have a copy of every current rule set for you to check against to be assured of current status.
Card kingdom opens at 10am, both days, we will be in the mini's area and to the tourney room.

Cheers, and I look forward to seeing you all.

Another update for all of those who may be lurking and still considering coming to the tournament. This is the last chance to win an invitation for the TSHFT invitational this season. Invitational will be the weekend May 17,18.

Prizes now have increased just a touch. The grand prize for this is the last super golden ticket... a totally free entry to the TSHFT invitational. Second prize will be the new version of the golden ticket...Half the price off at the TSHFT invitational.
The balance of the entry fee will be divided up into prizes in the form of gift cards for card kingdom.

Also, I have secured a private room for our lunch on Sunday, and I'm crossing my fingers that I'll have it for Saturday as well. This will be an express route for ordering food and beverages. In the tourney room Non-alcoholic beverages and to go food are allowed, but not so much on the delicious beer.

I look forward to seeing you all there.

13 people have signed up. I have room for up to 9 more. At this point I'm closing the pre-registration. I haven't brought any extra tables, so the 9 spots will be first come first serve. Good luck to all.