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So I had this idea. As a necron I'm pretty set On anti air. But I have my aegis from my grey knights. And when I boxed it around the quad gun. I realised you can't see scarabs hidden behind it.

Is there something I'm missing. Scarabs firing quad guns into units. Sound cheese even for necrons

LOS for the quad gun is drawn from the eyes of the model firing it (the one placed in base contact), not from the gun. So If they can't see you, your are more than likely not going to be able to see them (flyers aside). You will get a cover save, but its not that great of an idea. Plus barrage just ruins your day....

 quickfuze wrote:
LOS for the quad gun is drawn from the eyes of the model firing it (the one placed in base contact), not from the gun. So If they can't see you, your are more than likely not going to be able to see them (flyers aside). You will get a cover save, but its not that great of an idea. Plus barrage just ruins your day....

What quickfuze said here. Scarabs can't fire the quadgun at ground units since they cannot see any units over the wall unless they get lucky with a flyer at the right angle.

This reminds me of the same question involving grots a month or two ago. There is a simple way around it. In your movement phase, move one scarab base in front of the quad gun, keep the others behind the line, it can now see and fire at other units. If the opponent fires at the unit - whoop de do, they can only take off 15pts.
The downsides are - 1.) barrage and 2.) You are investing in a scarab swarm that will be unable to do anything other than fire a quad gun since they have no ranged attacks of their own.

People use ADLs to hide scarabs all the time.

Read: Scarb Farms.

I think hes intrested about shooting the quad primarily... not hiding the scarabs.

Now here's a question: If scarabs fire the Quad Gun/IC do they still get their Entropic Strike with hits?

Now here's a question: If scarabs fire the Quad Gun/IC do they still get their Entropic Strike with hits?

Mind = blown

McBain wrote:
Now here's a question: If scarabs fire the Quad Gun/IC do they still get their Entropic Strike with hits?

Mother of Cheese!

Interesting thought. I cant remember the wording on the ES rule, so ill check that when i get home.

Yes, the scarabs 'entropic strike' applies to the quad gun. As the entropic strike rule mentions hits caused by a model with the rule, it doesn't differentiate between ranged and close combat attacks.

Does it mention anything about 'in the assault phase' at all?

Hmm.

No, it does not.

You dug for gold and found diamonds!


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Dual foc. 2 quad guns, av12 stormraven suddenly becomes av 9! Av14 landraider suddenly becomes av11... woah!


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AND since pen rolls happen after ES roll... haha!

What have you all done.....this is madness, madness!

NO NO NO NO NO NO STOP! STOP, QUIT THIS THREAD RIGHT NOW! NOOOOOOOO

Wat

That is like... Ehh... Does not make a lot of sense to me.

This is... awesome. You can man the quad gun while on an elevated piece of area terrain. Knock a wound of a riptide then tesla it to death.

Unless swarms can't man fortifications or something.

I've never seen something break in this game right before my eyes, well done sir, well done

O.M.G.
You are brilliant. So instead of a defense line, you take a bastion and man the quad guns and heavy bolters with scarabs.

So I'm taking this to the logical extreme, in apoc or stronghold you can take the punisher Gatling cannon which drops 20 shots, hello av5 Titan

20 shots, about 7 hit, 3-4 remove hullpoints? Not too bad. SOOOOO tempting to try this for the "lulz" but ill have to make sure my opponent knows im trying something really stupid. To just spring this evil upon someone, you would have to be one cold blooded monster. Though I don't think any fortification I know about can have a "manned" punisher gatling.

Jakobokaj wrote:
So I'm taking this to the logical extreme, in apoc or stronghold you can take the punisher Gatling cannon which drops 20 shots, hello av5 Titan

Superheavies cannot have their AV lowered, if I am remembering right. Scarabs are also only bs2, which means that your gun emplacement is barely better than a snapshot.

Drakmord wrote:

Jakobokaj wrote:
So I'm taking this to the logical extreme, in apoc or stronghold you can take the punisher Gatling cannon which drops 20 shots, hello av5 Titan

Superheavies cannot have their AV lowered, if I am remembering right. Scarabs are also only bs2, which means that your gun emplacement is barely better than a snapshot.

Now I'll step in with my gorgeous math.

BS2 with re-rolls = 55% chance. that means, you guessed it! 11 hits.

Snap shots would be 3 hits.

Quad gun hits twice.

Surely there's a unit that can take entropic strike that isn't BS2?

Everything else in-codex with Entropic Strike has it applied to CC attacks only. I'm pretty sure that acanthrites are the same, as they have void blades.

With the quad gun it's four shots twin linked at bs2...


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Ninjaed. And math hammered.

Just remember that Beasts ( I believe the scarabs are "beast swarm") cannot occupy buildings. So while I cant find anything preventing the ADL trick, I am pretty sure most of the rest is out.

Drakmord wrote:Everything else in-codex with Entropic Strike has it applied to CC attacks only. I'm pretty sure that acanthrites are the same, as they have void blades.

Entropic strike is a rule on the Scarabs, while a void blade makes me assume it's a wargear option?

Rules that come for wargear are specific to said wargear. Rules that come for unit are specific to said unit and anything that unit may use.

A skyfire gun must be shot as skyfire, but a character with skyfire shoots every weapon as if it had skyfire.

Kholzerino wrote:With the quad gun it's four shots twin linked at bs2...


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Ninjaed. And math hammered.

yeye.

quickfuze wrote:Just remember that Beasts ( I believe the scarabs are "beast swarm") cannot occupy buildings. So while I cant find anything preventing the ADL trick, I am pretty sure most of the rest is out.

Swarms is a special rule, so you are probably wrong. While scarabs may be beasts, nothing is stopping them occupying the top frame of a bastion, only entering it.

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

Drakmord wrote:Everything else in-codex with Entropic Strike has it applied to CC attacks only. I'm pretty sure that acanthrites are the same, as they have void blades.

Entropic strike is a rule on the Scarabs, while a void blade makes me assume it's a wargear option?

Rules that come for wargear are specific to said wargear. Rules that come for unit are specific to said unit and anything that unit may use.

A skyfire gun must be shot as skyfire, but a character with skyfire shoots every weapon as if it had skyfire.

Kholzerino wrote:With the quad gun it's four shots twin linked at bs2...


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Ninjaed. And math hammered.

yeye.

quickfuze wrote:Just remember that Beasts ( I believe the scarabs are "beast swarm") cannot occupy buildings. So while I cant find anything preventing the ADL trick, I am pretty sure most of the rest is out.

Swarms is a special rule, so you are probably wrong. While scarabs may be beasts, nothing is stopping them occupying the top frame of a bastion, only entering it.

I was referring to the firing of the heavy bolters which requires the occupation of a building. I probably should have said quad gun instead of ADL.

Holy. Cow.